Does the past exist yet? Evidence suggests your past Isn't set in stone!

I've always been interested in whether there is a "Past" or "Future". So, when I read this article I was kinda dumbfounded that there has been more experiments than I thought into the understanding of reality.... and with some shocking results. Some of the cases I had heard of before, some I hadn't.

The title of the article is "Does the Past Exist Yet? Evidence Suggests Your Past Isn't Set in Stone"

We must re-think all that we have ever learned about the past, human evolution and the nature of reality, if we are ever to find our true place in the cosmos," says Constance Hilliard, a historian of science at UNT. Choices you haven't made yet might determine which of your childhood friends are still alive, or whether your dog got hit by a car yesterday. In fact, you might even collapse realities that determine whether Noah's Ark sank. "The universe," said John Haldane, "is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose.

All in all, it's a very interesting read. One that makes you think. A LOT.

Full article

I've quickly changed the title of the thread to the name of the article in question, as the one I had earlier was a little too inadequate.

wow

i wish i had something to add, other than i think they are deffo on the right track with this...

Yup. I sure think they are. Like I said, I've read a few of the experiments that they have conducted before. But never such detailed, serious attempts at understanding all of this. It's quite mind blowing.

so what.. seems like someone is reading my mind... it comes as I say...lol... nice...did just get to that point today...funny #..

reply to post by Neutradol


It's quantum mechanics.

The way of the universe. Basically, regurgitated alchemy for modern physicists. Why do you think Newton studied occult arts (alchemy)?

I think it's funny how every time humanity comes close to finding True origin, something comes along to reset the cycle. Just wait, as soon as people start latching onto the Truth, something is gonna mess it up... unless we don't let it.

reply to post by prepared4truth


What about home movies? Photo's? Things that basically say "you've done that, you've been there"?

Great thread though OP, will be reading the link in depth tomorrow.

reply to post by Frontkjemper


Yup, those too. The Stone is, has been, and will be in front of us ALL the time.

In a nice sunset, a hologram, or a business meeting. Or all three.

oh boy this looks TOO radical for me!
4th dimensional quantum physics freak me out.

im going to save the link, but i might not read it yet!
thanks for the info!

I remember thinking about that a few monthes ago. All I got was a good headache !
Maybe I can make it vanish even though it's in the past ?

Anyway, more seriously : I have noticed that lately, scientific discoveries are getting closer to spirituality. I remember reading a text allegedly written by buddhist monks here on ATS a while ago, I guess I'll look for it again.

I did physics at A Level in school, the quantum aspect always fascinated me. It is a major mind f@ck when you really start to think about it. I've had multiple discussions with friends over the subject (when we've been the opposite to low.) It still doesn't help get your head round it.

Slightly off topic, but the other one that interesting is those experiments where they've managed faster than light travel by passing a laser beam through gaseous caesium.

Can you please post the steps necessary to change the past? There are a few people I need to cut out of it.

reply to post by PayMeh


I wish I could help you there. There is a few people in my past I'd like to erase as well. Maybe i'll try Recall for now.

A very good article. To me it could explain coincidences. But it still totally lost me. So, you dig for a boulder ,you find one, but it was the act of choosing that spot to investigate and dig that may cause historical lining of rocks under the ground to change. Well, that's just odd.

In theory I could dig looking for gold and expect to find it because my act of investigation should favour the historical alterations in my favour? But if I don't find it what am I meant to assume Maybe I'm not following properly, it's a hard to but interesting theory.

Also that theory about atoms or something here being twinned with atoms light years/dimensions away and each having control over one another comes to mind. Still, thanks for the link.

reply to post by markymint


Yes, the article is a bit of a head scratcher when it comes to understanding exactly what they are trying to say. But it does make some sense. And obviously, there is parts that make you think too much in order for it to fit into what you expect them to mean. It's very perplexing and interesting.

Wow. Thank you very much for the article. It makes complete sense to me. Just like if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around does it make a sound? The world of physics keeps on getting weirder and weirder.

reply to post by stinavamp


Yup, it certainly makes you think for sure.

I don't know. There are too many interconnections that exist, and have created new interconnections as a result of their own forward trajectory. It's not like being able to erase a blackboard. From each instant of change, a trajectory is launched that launches (eventually) many trajectories that in-turn launch their own arrangements of trajectories. Within moments, the pattern of impact can be too complex to even calculate. How does one observation dial all that change back, and what is the proposed hierarchy of causal adjustment authority in this quantum world where full life can be retroactively affected? Is it just the "aware observer" that holds this awesome power, with the common rabble being reinvented over and over again at the whim of this supreme puppet master?

Do scientists always extrapolate entire realities on the basis of repeatable photon reactions that (for all purposes) seem a bit inconclusive concerning the actual mechanics involved? Seriously. What is observed is one thing. What the researcher assumes from it is quite another.

And this passage is patently ridiculous.

More recently (Science 315, 966, 2007), scientists in France shot photons into an apparatus, and showed that what they did could retroactively change something that had already happened. As the photons passed a fork in the apparatus, they had to decide whether to behave like particles or waves when they hit a beam splitter. Later on - well after the photons passed the fork - the experimenter could randomly switch a second beam splitter on and off. It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle actually did at the fork in the past. At that moment, the experimenter chose his history.

That assertion is ....I don't know what it is. I'd never be able to attach my name to such a statement. It insults the reader. That 2nd beam splitter didn't change what happened before it was switched on, and saying that it did doesn't affect the fact that it didn't. It just insults the reader.

I'm honestly beginning to believe that some writers are taking wagers with one another over who can get away with the most inane declarations, while still sneaking their books through to print publication. Lab rats with government grants to play with high tech toys, and laughing their *sses off each year as they present their "findings" and extend their grants (keep their fun jobs for another year) by loading their comic book reports with yards worth of physics formulas that no one at the grant office could ever make sense of anyway.

I used to think that the religionists were the ones hoodwinking everyone, but at least they can hide behind their obvious ignorance. Theoretical physicists are just plain shameless with their scams. Throw formulas at the press and make wild claims about how in the future folks will be able to go back in time and f*ck the girl that got away, and then smile as the book deals, seminar fees and documentary appearance pay rolls in.

PT Barnum was right, only now the rate of suckers being born is up by 300%. If you don't believe me, I've got a chart that I put together with all the demographics annotated. The numbers don't lie.

Originally posted by Frontkjemper


What about home movies? Photo's? Things that basically say "you've done that, you've been there"?

I don't know if that sounds crazy, but has happened to me more times than I can count...you take a look at that photo you took some time ago, or watch a video someone made of your birthday party, and suddenly something catches your attention. "Could it be? I've watched this so many times before...I was there, and I'm pretty sure THIS didn't happen!" or "Dave wasn't supposed to be in this picture, he wasn't even there with us, was he?"
Does this happens just to me? I don't know, maybe I am just going insane.
Maybe not.

reply to post by Raven_Heart


No, it does not just happen to you alone. Me too. That is why I found the article interesting. VERY interesting. I think there is much more behind this. It just needs looking into.