your personal opinion considering the jewish conspiracy?

i'm wondering about your personal opinion concerning this.
i am not asking for youtube vids explaining your opinion.
i am asking you to put it in your own words.
as a jew who is basically against zionism, and being one who does understand how many jews climbed the ladder into important influential positions, like owning media corps etc.....
i also understand that concerning israeli brutality and the fight to keep a jewish state,
israel wouldn't get away with even a small percentage of what they do without the financial and military support of the u.s.
which means your tax dollars at work.
i also understand the huge influence regarding this topic concerning evangelical christians, along with other sects.
i've always considered this a very deep subject, going far beyond posting a david duke video.
what is your personal opinion of this?
should the jews just give up israel and walk away?
my personal belief is that the evangelicals, along with the u.s. government should end the backing of the state of israel.
let what will be be.
personally i think jews and muslims would come to some agreement if the playing field was neutral.

Originally posted by rubbertramp
the u.s. government should end the backing of the state of israel

I would agree with this.

I see U.S. taxpayer dollars being spent on Israel within the context of many other inappropriate expenditures we're financing that relate to the vast military-industrial complex and empire building, which we should not be doing.

Evangelicals cannot be advised by non-evangelicals on what they should be doing . And religious strife, in general, is part of the technique of "tension" used by the globalists to bring in their New World Order.

Its a bit hard to explain my shift in opinion about Israel and the Jew .I was a rapture ready Christian at one time and so Zionism fit that ideology relatively easy .As I stopped to ponder what had been suggested about the different ism's I came to realize a few things that has moved me closer to what I now consider truth .
We are given this picture of a Jew [outwardly] that is probably not the picture of who a Jew might be inwardly .Much like the Christian picture we get of one [inwardly] . See, how can a Christian kill? Or how can a Jew, cheat? Abraham gave ties to Melchizedek,While Christ died for the sins of the world .All I can think of that might resemble the truth for me is knowing them by their fruit ....peace

thanx for the response, mary rose.
seems we basically agree on some of this.
yet it always goes so much deeper.
for example, just like the u.s. does, concerning creating/ funding/ arming our future enemies.
israel is guilty of basically the same thing.
here is an example.

But Sharon left something out. Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years. Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies. Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official. According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War in which Israel scored a stunning victory over its Arab enemies.

upi, 2002 article.

reply to post by rubbertramp

Well, obviously, I do not appreciate the term "Jewish" conspiracy.

How much attention does the mainstream media give to the "Jewish Voice for Peace", or "Young, Jewish and Proud", or to the anti-Zionists rabbis of the Neturei Karta?

This is not at all "Jewish".

This is a Zionist conspiracy.

Are you aware that the anti-Zionist rabbis of the Neturei Karta were specifically disallowed from even participating in the "Inter-Faith Dialogue"?

Because they insist that the entire Zionist enterprise is a violation of both the Torah and the ethical Teachings of the prophets, their input was considered to be "anti-Semitic" and too 'disruptive' to the peaceful resolution of the conflicts between the religions...

Not that I agree with them in terms of Doctrine--they still do not teach that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'--but, in terms of the ethical position they have taken with respect to the Palestinians and the Arabs of the Middle East, we are in agreement.

Mi cha el

reply to post by the2ofusr1


it takes an honest human to admit a change in ones perception of things.
i've been jumping from one side of the fence to the other for years concerning this topic.
your point about christians killing is undoubtedly important.
even the sponsoring of killing is questionable, unless one is able to discount this.

sermon on the mount text

reply to post by rubbertramp


Muslims and Jews have lived peacefully in various parts of the Middle East up until the creation of the so-called state of israel. Zionism broke the peace.


• Solution:
Too much damage has already been done for Jews to just leave Palestine. As much as I would love this for the Palestinian people, it's not realistic anymore. If anything, all Palestinians should be given the full and equal rights as the Israelis. Full citizenship, full freedom to travel, full freedom to vote and participate in government. Not a separate Palestinian government and a separate Jewish government... I mean open the whole thing up to equality. One state, one government, one country. Freedom, Equality, and Liberty for all. Stop the confiscation of Palestinian homes and land. Remove all the blockades and checkpoints. Tear down the Apartheid Wall.

Jews have lived in Palestine since the Hebrew people marched out of Egypt. The Palestinians are fighting for freedom and equality, not simply because the Jews are there. If Palestinians were filled with such hate, they would have fought the Jews insistently and never-ending since the Hebrew people entered the Holy Land. As we see, the extreme fighting didn't start until Zionism.



• Theory
So-called state of israel was founded, maintained, and "protected" by Zionism. Zionists are mainly Khazars. Zionists rule secularly. So we have a group of people that are not of original Jewish blood and push a secular agenda and society... Hmmm.... Not Jewish by blood, Not Jewish by religion. Blood of the innocents on their hands... Trying ever so desperately to commit a total genocide and expulsion of the Palestinians...

The Antichrist is prophesied to rule in Jerusalem over the Holy Land. Zionism... neither Jewish by blood (Khazars) or religion (secular) and committing daily injustice, genocide, expulsion, and crimes against humanity.

Zionism is setting the stage for the Antichrist.

reply to post by Michael Cecil

This is not at all "Jewish". This is a Zionist conspiracy.

agreed, i meant the title as a bit of sarcasm due to the fact that so many on ats
can not seem to separate the two.
not all jews are zionists and visa versa.

reply to post by rubbertramp


I think the state of israel is a US friend. There is no way we should abandon them, but we should work harder to find a resolution.

reply to post by Sahabi


agree with much of what you said.
but, then i look at it concerning the u.s. and mexico conflict.
shall illegals already here be given amnesty?
shall the border be actually closed, or the other extreme, no fence or wall?
imo the similarities are relevant.
does it come down to who was there first, or who took it by force.

reply to post by rubbertramp


I am an American. For a couple years I was fully against illegal immigration. Mexicans get out! Put up a wall! Put sniper and guard towers up! Deport them all. Speak English!!! That's how I used to feel.

Recently my views changed. How or why, I'm not fully sure. But it has much to do with personal realization... who owns earth? Who has a right to say what people can live where? What right does one lowly human have to tell another lowly human, "You are illegal,"? All Americans are immigrants! Even the native americans were immigrants! Right now, I just believe, don't hurt people. Come to America if you want. Just don't kill, steal, or rape. We are all occupants of earth. No one owns it. We didn't create it.

reply to post by amc621


abandonment is tough. the money and political trail is deep.
membership to the u.n. is highly influential.

reply to post by rubbertramp


Well since my younger days I was taught about Christ being the savior / messiah. I was taught he was incarnate in the region of Israel. I felt bad when I seen the destruction that occures over that region when I would think like wow this is were Christ came from and look how they act. SO I justified that since that is a region were the Lamb was that ofcourse the Devil would infiltrate and degrade the birth place region of te SON OF GOD. With that I see many jewish people worshipping and maintaining their traditions. But with the beauty in that I can feel the negative influences aswell in that region. Which started to make me wonder and question Israel, for I felt if that is were the messiah comes from then why is that not the holliest location on Earth and behaving like it is.

I see the jewish community did keep the fortunes localized within their people, which has helped them to remain strong and powerful in current times. So basically this is how I view your question OP. Yes Israel is strong and sometimes seems like Americas Daddy. And yes Israel got cloat and to go further they may be reptillian core bloodline decendents hence their power and global influences and advanced technology.... (Moses did use snakes when interacting with Egypt king) but with that in elder times the snake represented power, intelligence ect. So I dont think he was being evil. Oh well my 1 cent as I kinda felt this wanted to be asked for sometime
peace.

reply to post by Sahabi


i'm pleased you understand the comparison.
i spend half the year in n.m., the other half in arizona.
i've met illegals for years due to my line of work.
most are only here to live peacefully, work their tail off and support their families.
the bad side is the drugs/ gangs/ violence etc.
most of this has not escalated to actual conflict concerning
bombs and extreme violence.
if it comes down to a wall, segregating illegal populations,
regulating the supply train concerning food and many other needs and wants,
would we be surprised if the illegal population fought back?
then there's the concept of fighting a much superior power.
if one day the msm covered an event where an illegal blew himself up
in frustration/ religion/ matyrdom etc..........
i'm not saying i agree with it, just that we need to understand it.

I think change needs to come to the government of Isreal same as America and a ton of other countrys, that being said i don't think America should stop backing Isreal just push for peaceful change regarding all partys and not in the bully tactics that America has and likes to use but in a true well meaning peaceful manner other wise it's just transparent.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

So basically this is how I view your question OP. Yes Israel is strong and sometimes seems like Americas Daddy. And yes Israel got cloat and to go further they may be reptillian core bloodline decendents hence their power and global influences and advanced technology....

And yes Israel got cloat

sorry, but i don't think i understand your meaning here.
also, are you saying the jewish dna trail leads to reptillians?

Revelations 2:9 says "I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan" This sounds like the description of Zionists/Freemasons. The whole Jew thing is used quite artfully to charge ant-semitism when talking about the negative actions of a few.

I think the perception of a Jewish conspiracy is a misunderstood reaction to a cultural phenomenon that I think I see within the Jewish community.

I am not Jewish,so I cannot say that I understand being Jewish or being raised in a Jewish family or having the history of the Jews as the primary background of my social and philisophical upbringing, but I have many friends and aquaintences that are Jewish and I see a certain psychological and social similarity amongst them.

I feel that due to the nature of the Jewish past and the small size of the Jewish population relative to other major religions, there is a sort of victim mentality that is ingrained in the social traditions of many Jewish families and organizations. This leads to a sort of inflation in the view of self. I find my Jewish friends often being fixated with their Jewishness. "What nationality are you? I'm Jewish.. No, I mean, where are your ancestors from? We are Jewish... Like, Russian Jews? Polish? 3rd generation Americans? Umm, I'm Jewish! ".

Conversations with these friends often revolve almost exclusively around claims that a Jew invented this and that and the other thing, Israel never does anything wrong, anyone who sees any room for variation in the story just doesn't get it, because they aren't Jewish...

It is not meant as a mean spirited stance at all. I love these people and they love me. It is just an ingrained view of the world that has become prevalent in certain circles because of the need for unity and self reliance in the Jewish community.

It happens to also be offensive and obnoxious when you can't identify with the seemingly self obsessed mentality or you happen to know the stories being represented are erroneous. I can never rationalize with these guys, they have their views, that were passed on through the social fabric and they will not let go of them, for anyone or anything.

There are also positive aspects to this social aspect. Jews do tend to be more educated on average than most other social groups. They tend to be steered in a more professional direction by the family and by their friends (peer pressure). Jewish families tend to be more conservative and focused on self reliance, financial security and community interaction.

These are all results of a sort of segregation that has taken place, both by predjudiced forces on the outside of their community and by their own history and fears and traditions.

I don't think there is a "Jewish conspiracy" that seeks any goal other than the safety and independence of the Jewish community as a whole. The rest of the world is dubious of a conservative, well educated, sometimes self absorbed and almost always tight-nit group of people and that group is dubious of the rest of the world..

It's a vicious cycle of misunderstanding and fear on both sides and not a true global conspiracy for world domination.

I'm much more afraid of Islam or the right wing Christians than I am of the Jewish world.