Carnival Cruise EMP

Every now and again I do a search on Twitter for Splendor and all get is official tweets or from reporters. I've yet to see a tweet from an actual passenger. I find that a bit odd. Surely there should be at least one person with a working mobile to make a tweet.

Amid all the speculation as to the events aboard the Carnival Splendor, it would seem that no one is asking the obvious question: Why was it necessary for the Navy to ferry food and water to the ship?

It is my understanding that the Splendor left Long Beach on Sunday evening. In theory it was provisioned for the cruise. Yet the next morning something occurs that renders the ship electronically and literally dead in the water. Even if every cooking appliance aboard were electric (does anybody know?) and all the refrigeration failed, there should have been sufficient cold-cuts, cheese etc. to feed the passengers sandwiches for at least one or two days, yet the Navy was compelled to deliver Spam via helicopters. Something smells about this - and its not just rotten food!

According to the Carnival press conference, after the supply drop from the Navy, they had 8 telephones online for passenger use. Sounds to me like the Navy included some Sat-phones in the food parcels. Also, the announced plan was to tow the ship to Ensenada, BC and bus the passengers back to Long Beach. It was later decided to tow the ship to San Diego. To the Navy base possibly? Additionally, the Coast Guard is normally responsible for rescue at sea and have their own aircraft and ships to do the job. How did a carrier task group get involved in a civilian rescue/resupply operation?

As for the cell phones working as they approached San Diego, once the ship was outside of cell phone range from shore, how many people would leave the phone on knowing that there was zero chance of making or receiving a call? I'm guessing that most cell phones on board were turned off during the "event" Monday morning - but thats just conjecture on my part.

All in all, there are more questions than answers regarding this mishap. What are the odds that we'll ever know what REALLY happened?

reply to post by bigyin


Maybe they ran out of fuel? Damaged hull?

reply to post by Tholidor


First time poster...so please be gentle.

When the engine went down, and the power generating system with it, they lost all refrigeration. The vast majority of food on a cruise ship is prepared food- seafood, steaks, thinks that require refrigeration for storage and heat for cooking. The only time they would have cold cuts would probably be for the employee kitchens, and not for guests...afterall, who pays big bucks to eat cold cuts, when you can eat crab legs?

Another day passes and still can't find a single tweet from a Carnival Splendor passenger.

reply to post by bigyin


As I said you would be suprised at how these ships are built. I'm speculating here, but, if it was a fire caused by the fuel delivery system, I wouldn't blame them for shutting the entire fuel system down. I don't believe that this descision was made by the ship's crew, I see the hand of management and their lawyers involved here.

reply to post by bigyin


Tweets??? Why?

I just was reading a brief story in USAToday....several passengers were interviewed, for that article.

There was a catastrophic failure on this ship. A failure that should have never even occurred given the technology on these ships.

First the alleged massive fire that knocked out everything. I don't by it because the ship should have been using automated suppression that would have extinguished the flames with minimal damage.

Here is an example of the technology on a Carnival Ship and any other comparable ship.

For Carnival Cruise Lines, which is installing water mist suppression systems on new ships, the concerns of using water mist total flooding in very large machinery spaces is a valid point, said Walsh. "But our engine rooms are not as cavernous as on some cargo ships or tankers because of the way we have them segregated." The new-build 88,500 ton, 2,124 passenger Carnival Spirit has water mist systems protecting the six diesel engines in the segregated compartments.

Installation factors give water mist systems an advantage over other extinguishing systems. A Navy study that compared alternative fire protection systems for machinery spaces on the LPD 17 ships put the cost of water mist at $330,000 compared to $540,000 for an FM-200 gas system. The water mist system had a footprint of 450 sq. ft. compared to 1,500 sq. ft. for a FM-200 system. The weight of water mist systems is also less when compared to conventional sprinkler systems due to the smaller diameter stainless piping it employs.

www.professionalmariner.com... F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=84A790BDF16940AB9E7B8F15393DF833

The Carnival Spirit has 6 diesel engines in segregated compartments making fire suppression and containment much easier. The Carnival Splendor is similar in construction and powered with 6 diesel engines that generate the electricity to power the ship through the water. The official story contends that this fire burned for 3 HOURS before it was extinguished. How could it burn for that long with an automated suppression on board?

Did the suppression system fail? If it was a dry pipe system, a power failure or electrical problem could knock it out. Wet pipe systems are always pressurized and are heat activated and function without need for power. However, on a ship water pressure is produced via electric pumps. Ahh who knows....

EMP?? Plausible, when you consider that ships of this size are self contained cities that are completely self reliant for every power need. One knock out punch and your are done!!

One thing is certain...Shipboard fires have been a big problem in the last ten years on cruise ships. I will never take a cruise.
www.cruiselawnews.com...

Originally posted by Hoosyourdaddyo
reply to post by Tholidor

 

First time poster...so please be gentle.

When the engine went down, and the power generating system with it, they lost all refrigeration. The vast majority of food on a cruise ship is prepared food- seafood, steaks, thinks that require refrigeration for storage and heat for cooking. The only time they would have cold cuts would probably be for the employee kitchens, and not for guests...afterall, who pays big bucks to eat cold cuts, when you can eat crab legs?

This ship has 6 engines. It is a diesel electric ship which is the norm these days. There should have been plenty of back up power to run the ships critical systems. Which makes me wonder???

reply to post by jibeho


Six engines total, yes....but THREE aft, three forward. Forward engines would be used for the bow thrusters, I would expect. Not for normal propulsion. Not sure whether they have generators equipped on the bow engines.

Article I read short on specifics....but there were issues with the electrical distribution system, after the one generator (on aft engine) caught fire. Sounds like a cascade of electrical faults, that were devastating.

(I can only compare with what I know of how airliners are designed, especialy the electrical system, and distibrution and sourcing).

There SHOULD be plenty of circuit breakers, and some other redundancy, I would think. However, IF there was some human error, in the manner in which systems were operated/connected etc, then maybe no amount of protections and redundancy will prevent a catastrophic failure.

Head in rectum syndrome, is a distinct possibility....we shall see. NTSB will surely have a report, as usual in these instances.

reply to post by weedwhacker

Head in rectum syndrome, is a distinct possibility....we shall see.

The simplest explanation often prevails!!

I don't have much faith in the cruise industry or in the construction of these vessels. They are built to look pretty and all of the real money is spent on non critical items. You know... the stuff that sells cruises. I would not want to be tasked with inspecting one of these ships during construction.

Let me put the EMP to rest. All the ships engine electronics are deep inside the steel hull. You are not going to knock them out through the grounded hull. Any pulse would be conducted through the steel into the sea. Especially since the passengers electronics and ships communications are still functioning.

I would bet the control electronics were all in one panel and that is what received the damage.

The OP of this thread should know they were absolutely correct about the Chinese EMP weapon test/warning. Weedwhacker's adamant opposition should've been your first clue. It turns out that REAL marine engineering experts were completely baffled by how a modern cruise ship could've become stranded due to a total loss of power.

The Chinese missile launch off the coast of LA (aka "mysterious contrail" as Weed and the government would have you believe) and the stranding of the Carnival Splendor cruise ship occurred at the exact same minute: 7:00 am on November 8, 2010.

BTW, that Carnival cruise ship just re-entered service a couple weeks ago. It took 950 technicians three months to repair the ship at the Port of San Francisco -- the only dry dock on the west coast that was large enough for what was described as the port's "greatest engineering project in 50 years." The two year-old megaship was refitted with a new engine -- which had to be flown in on a Russian military transport -- along with new generators and internal wiring.

Passengers were told it was a "flameless fire" ONLY when they disembarked, but described thick black smoke that smelled like "something was melting." That was quite the "flameless fire!"

reply to post by GoldenFleece


LMAO!!! What, were yo in suspended animation, and just woke up?? This topic has been properly buried, already!!

The Chinese missile launch off the coast of LA (aka "mysterious contrail" as Weed and the government would have you believe)...

There was NO (LOL!) "Chinese missile launch" off the "coast of LA"!!

Do yourself a favor ---- pull out a map of California. Just Southern California will be enough.....but, you will have to include, also, Mexico....down as far as Ensenada, or thereabouts...... I'll wait....

....OK? Got it?? Now, look.....for your "opinion" to have even the faintest whiff of "plausibility"...this phantom "Chinese sub" would have had to have been West of LA....correct? (Because, isn't that where the contrail was photographed/filmed?)

Now....plot the location of the Carnival cruise liner. Where was it, again??

(Hint: That's why you needed a map of Mexico, down to Ensenada.....)

OK....now it's time to explain how an "EMP" off the western coast of California could have affected just ONE cruise ship, hundreds of miles away....and NOT have affected anything else, anywhere in the vicinity....

You did know, did you not, that there are dozens of ships right there in the LA Harbor....near San Pedro, and Long Beach??? Not to mention all of the cars, buses, trucks, trains, motorcycles (etc) from Malibu to Mazatlan!!

Oh, and you may want to read the post just above yours...from last November......clear it all up, too....

reply to post by weedwhacker

Weedwhacker to the rescue, as usual.

Never mind that EVERY BIT of corroborating evidence -- from the exact timing of the two incidents to baffled REAL marine experts to passenger statements about a "flameless fire" to the massive 3 month ship repair and largest Port of San Francisco engineering project in 45 years -- ALL contradicts your silly conjecture and straw man arguments.

reply to post by GoldenFleece


?? None of those things have anything at all to do with your fantastic "EMP" belief and claims.
(You may, also wish to go back in the records, and take a close look at who started that false rumor. Ever heard of "Sorcha Faal"??)....

....This is where I would like to insert a "Throwing Up My Hands In Frustration" emoticon.....if we had one!

Captain Weed, I'll choose just one example of the disinfo and misdirection that you're infamous for:

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

OK....now it's time to explain how an "EMP" off the western coast of California could have affected just ONE cruise ship, hundreds of miles away....and NOT have affected anything else, anywhere in the vicinity....

You did know, did you not, that there are dozens of ships right there in the LA Harbor....near San Pedro, and Long Beach??? Not to mention all of the cars, buses, trucks, trains, motorcycles (etc) from Malibu to Mazatlan!!

Just one problem -- the Carnival Splendor wasn't in the LA Harbor, nor was it anywhere near San Pedro or Long Beach.

It was at sea, 200 miles south of San Diego.

But you already knew that, didn't you?

dupe (post AND weedwhacker)

reply to post by flojoedude86


I personally think it was HAARP bouncing off chemtrails to focus and concentrate it's power that caused the Carnival cruise ship to die. Please don't ask me how I know this, because then I'd have to kill you!

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


More likely, every one of the bubbleheaded bimbos onboard simultaneously plugged in their curling irons, turned on 'high', in every cabin. AND, they all flushed their toilets at exactly the same time. This caused a hydro-electrical conflagration, and standing microwave resonance in the dimensional quadrant of the ship's poop deck.......

Once-in-a-million-years fluke of coincidence.