We Won't Fly, National Opt Out Day, Nov 24

Originally posted by wayouttheredude
reply to post by harrytuttle

 

Perhaps we should all brush up on our constitution.

The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures. The amendment specifically also requires search and arrest warrants be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and arrest should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it.

The Constitution is meaningless to the people that are in power they don't abide by it if they don't want to. Anyways I don't fly, I love flying in a plane but too much bother for me nowdays. I am sure somewhere in the paperwork for your boarding ticket is a clause giving them the right to take away your 4th amendment rights. Plus I believe the airport is not considered a "public" place you kinda gotta go by the rules of the airport? Don't like it then just drive, take a bus, train, or in case because of the multiple other laws out there governing operating a motor vehicle you'd prefer to walk. And remember these rules are in effect because the scared little peons keep voting in the same class of losers.

reply to post by jaynkeel


I can't argue with that. I am a member of one of the smallest political minorities out there so I hardly ever vote in the general elections.

Candidates I like would work hard to remove these affronts to our liberty. That is why there are no libertarian's in political office above perhaps mayor.

Here is another good web resource for this subject. TSA: Show Us Your Body Or We’ll Feel You Up

This blog has a lot of resources and articles that are relevant to the subject.

Originally posted by mysticguitar
If people stop flying because of it thousands will be out of jobs.

...if people continue to fly commercial, a lot more will be lost than just the jobs of airline/airport workers...

...i posted the following analogy yesterday on a similar thread... it would be insane to continue to be a patron of a cafe that serves lousy food and encourages employees to be as obnoxious as they please... the intelligent way to combat that type of establishment is to stop spending your money there...

...heres another one... if a nationwide grocery chain was selling food contaminated with pesticides that had been proven to cause cancer, it would be insane to continue spending your money there - and - your health and the health of your loved ones would take precedence over whether or not employees of that grocery lost their jobs...

...heres one more... unless you're into agressive sexual advances from strangers, its insane to continue to be a patron of an establishment that allows its employees to touch your body where ever they want to...

...too many want to pretend they have no choice but to fly commercial and tolerate nazi tactics and thats just pure dee bs... they make that choice and have been making it for 9yrs...

...in the interim, our youngsters are being programmed to accept this bizarre reality that says "do not think - you have no rights - you have no choices - do as you're told, you stupid cow"...

...i hope the "no fly day" protest encourages people to stop flying commerical until these nazi tactics cease to exist... to those who refuse to stop flying commercial, dont whine about how unfair tsa's tactics are - you are part of the problem...

Originally posted by harrytuttle
reply to post by wayouttheredude

 

Oh, yeah, I follow ya. What I'm saying though, is if you must get on the plane, then you will have to consent to the pat down search. In those cases, I still think we should all start saying something to the TSA screener conducting the pat down which will:

• Publicly embarrass the screener
  
• Create a negative emotional impact on the screener
  
• Demoralize the screener
  

In short, if they want to give us an indignity, let's bounce it right back at them.

We should carry a kids plastic wedding ring and hand it to the screner " in Utah we've gotta be married before we go through with this!!

lol

For the rest of the people who don't have to get on that particular flight, then BY ALL MEANS, refuse the pat down too.

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Originally posted by wayouttheredude
Better yet just quit flying if you can until these intrusive and often brutal measures are taken out of the screening process.

The solution is very simple - if you do not want the scan or pat down then do not fly - It is your choice, just stop whining about it, the decision is yours.

reply to post by dereks


Spoken like an obedient little sheeple.

Makes me feel ill.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


He's right, actually.

If a protest is to be made, than not flying is a good one - hit them in the pocketbooks - it will make a difference. Geez, there are plenty of articles in the MSM right now of irate pilots and parents who believe both the machines and the pat-downs are too intrusive and the industry IS worried that people will refuse to fly. This is an economic and a business issue and it will impact the bottom line.

reply to post by LadySkadi


I have already quit flying commercial. It cost me a lot more than a first class ticket but it is worth it. I just find this whole thing very upsetting. Hearing about this young lady harassed and escorted from the airport by a dozen police for denying them the opportunity to see her naked or sexually molested was infuriating.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


Agreed.

IMHO, the way to make a difference is to hit the bottom-line (revenue) - protesting does nothing if the revenue still flows. The airline industry operates at a high fixed cost margin, it doesn't take much loss in revs. to impact it greatly.

Just my two cents - in addition to other means.

I suggest people make travel arrangements with anticipation. Take Amtrak instead or other methods of transportation if possible. Don't be a frequent flier. Unfortunately, I will be flying in December...and I will opt out of the scanners. In order to prepare for the invasive pat-down, I will have tissue paper with smeared chocolate attached to my body. I'll go through the pat down like a true freedom fighter.

I found this amusing and appropriate.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1d1fb5aef746.jpg[/atsimg]

I think if these were used on stickers and stealthily placed in places around airports the TSA might just get the message.

Another very upsetting video. Elderly being molested. This is just sick.

Originally posted by wayouttheredude
reply to post by LadySkadi

 

I have already quit flying commercial. It cost me a lot more than a first class ticket but it is worth it. I just find this whole thing very upsetting. Hearing about this young lady harassed and escorted from the airport by a dozen police for denying them the opportunity to see her naked or sexually molested was infuriating.

edit on 11-11-2010 by wayouttheredude because: dyslexic

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here is my thread on it all....


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Originally posted by wayouttheredude
reply to post by mysticguitar

 

You just don't get how protesting works I guess. If we remain silent and meek we will continue to be treated in this inhumane and humiliating manner. The airlines will pressure the government to change their procedures if they want to survive as an industry.

Spot on, also these checks aren't to find terrorists but to take away our liberties as Americans. I know many people that have flown after 9/11 and how they have been messed with by the TSA. Some of my female friends say they dress down when they go on a plane because they don't want to be harrassed by the male TSA agents who want to hit on them. And now they have them feeling them up. As that one person put it that it's bad but it will hurt the airline industry and we will lose jobs, well so what. You know if they truly want to help the middleclass and the workers in the US, this is what they should do. Cut defense by at least half, pull our bases out of the majority of countries. Repeal NAFTA and/or put taxes on american companies that make products and do research overseas, etc. etc. etc.. What this will do is force our businesses to either lower the costs of items to sell to their workers here in the US or raise their salaries so that they can afford the items they want sold at those prices. Then it will make them hire american workers, they will be committed to an american economy and not a world economy. Is it protectionism, it sure is but if you think that other countries aren't doing it your very much mistaken. They protect their industry with a vengence. I knew eventually this TSA govt. system would go to far and it's happening right now. People don't want naked pictures of themselves and people don't want other people fondling them, pure and simple.

Looks like the impact is starting to be felt. See The outrage against the TSA is working: "We have received hundreds of e-mails and phone calls from travelers vowing to stop flying"

Backlash grows over TSA's 'naked strip searches' | Privacy Inc. - CNET News

Vote up these Reddit posts. It will help spread the word.

A Good Campaign!

Don't forget that some of these airlines have just been fined for price-fixing in the cargo side of the industry via a cartel scenario. Doing so, they have been screwing over businesses small, medium and large for their own profit.
Would that possibly have cost some jobs from other industries.

People protesting and campaigning for a just deal, are the very few ways that the People have of 'lobbying' for their cause.

There are now 3 of these on the front page of reddit. Help us out and up vote these so more people will see them.

Want to affect TSA screening policy? Start filing complaints. Complain even about the procedure itself, every time you fly.

Originally posted by harrytuttle


Publicly embarrass the screener
Create a negative emotional impact on the screener
Demoralize the screener

In short, if they want to give us an indignity, let's bounce it right back at them.

I agree.

When they cup your balls / trouser snake... say things like

"Ya like that buddy?"

"Was it as good for you, as it was for me?"

"Damn, I think I need a cigarette after that... is there anywhere in the terminal where smoking is allowed?"

"Do your parents know you're gay?"

"Did you ever grow up to think that you'd become a professional dick grabber?"

"When did you first start liking men?"

This one makes me kind of sad looking at it. It looks like with all of this hitting the front page of reddit that they worm has turned.

www.reddit.com... _got_to_her_first] Phew Thank god they got to her first!

This elder lady really seems like a threat.
Vote this up please.