Jews are not rich because they are evil

I usually just read these types of threads without bothering to comment because it's usually pointless.

It's long been funny to me, in a wry kind of way, that the groups that complain the most about being discriminated against or being persecuted, do the same thing they complain about to other people.

Are a lot of Jews evil because they are rich, or rich because they are evil?

The answer to the two questions are, not all, (as in any group of people). I form my view of a group of people based on their individual actions. If a person of a certain group screwed me over, I wouldn't necessarily blame everyone of that group as a whole.

But after a while, you would certainly notice if a pattern of detrimental behavior seemed to be emerging.

A lot of people actively conspire to commit evil, and a lot of people passively support evil or do nothing to stop it be cause it benefits them. They just turn a blind eye because the evil is not affecting them, yet. That's in all peoples, all cultures, all economic levels, and all religions too.

Murderers don't start out that way, they grow into it, and some start earlier than others. Some people encourage them.

Are we passively supporting evil by not trying to find out the truth? Or hiding the the truth because it benefits a certain group? That's still evil.

If people would search out and weigh the evidence, like a sleuth following clues to solve a mystery, they might be least be able to be objective in deciding what the closest truth is in an imperfect world.

One truth is that, unfortunately, most people, especially today, are woefully uninformed.

What you believe should be based on a view that has been formed by taking a look at both sides, a view that is unbiased as possible. Most people let their passions, their lifelong traditions, and their loyalties get in the way of finding the truth, or they know the truth, and they lie.

So we need to actively search out the truth, because, as a famous book says, the truth will make you free.

And one of the best ways to search out the truth is to just start researching the background stories of any evil thing that has occurred in the world to see who was behind it, or who was involved. Be sure to explore both sides.

On a personal note to the OP

I never really thought too much about the Jews in the past, because I really didn't personally know any, so there was no reason to. Until I worked for a year at a debt collection company owned by a Jewish man and run by himself and his two college buddies.

It's a long story, but quick, let me just say, after I had worked in the company for about a year, and had been involved in bringing on a new high profile project, which involved some hip-hop glitterati , the company let me go. When I asked the Jewish vice president "why", he and my immediate supervisor said they didn't have to tell me. They escorted me out of the building (this was after hours so I couldn't say goodbye to my co-workers). Then, the company tried to have my unemployment benefits denied.

The multi-millionaire owner, college buddies, and 6 figure middle management guy have to deny unemployment benefits to a 30,000 a year customer service person, nice.

I wrote a letter to the unemployment office explaining all the projects I had taken on at the company, and also documentation the fact that in the year and three months I worked there, there was almost a complete turnover in the workforce, except for a core group of "elite" employees that were "in". It was pretty common knowledge that people were fired for refusing to do things requested by some members of management that were illegal, and there was definitely some age discrimination going on.

But you know what? I didn't let that experience tar ALL the group,in my mind, but it did open my eyes. However, since that time, I have spent many hours researching the way the world works and guess what? I have seen a common thread connecting a lot of the same type of people to evil world events.

If this certain group of people doesn't want to be tarred with the same brush as the few but very rich and influential individuals, they better start speaking up, and soon.

The reason why there are so many rich Jews about is that they have a totally different and positive mindset to us.

While us nominal Christians are bashed constantly over the head about how it is bad to be well off, let alone wealthy, there is not a single Jew on this earth who believes he should be poor (Deuteronomy 18), even if he is. This means that they are in a better mental frame of mind to position themselves to take a hold of opportunities that could bring them great financial security than most of the rest of us. Does this make them evil? NO. It makes them well-balanced as a whole and more likely to take the opportunities presented to them and succeed.

Anyway, it's nothing to do with how much money you have in this world but what you choose to do with it and how you treat others that defines whether you're a good person or not.

Are there bad Jews about? Hell yeah, but no more so than any other group.

As for the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion, that was proven to be a forgery as early as the 1940s and was cobbled together from disparate fictional pieces by the Tsar of Russia's Secret Police to discredit the early communists. It appears to have been more successful than they could have ever imagined.

As for Israel - all our governments are corrupt and in cahoots with each other for a greater scheme that is inimical to our continual survival, but the Elites have always been that way inclined. It's not the Zionists, or the European Union, or the Anglo-American alliance, but the Elites behind it all. And those suckers come from all racial and religious groups.

What, OP, no comments to make regarding my post?

I suggest that the title of your post should have been, Do people become rich because they are evil?, or, Do rich people become evil because riches = power?

If the group you are defending has nothing to do with evil, according to the test I suggested, you should be able to point that out to us all.

But you can't, because if you do as I suggested, you do start to see that many of the people involved in some of the most evil things that have happened in the world throughout history, are rich, AND quite a few of them belong to the group you have been defending. Since that group has one of the smallest populations overall, that means a higher percentage of the group is involved in evil.

If I am wrong, you should be able to show me how I am in error.

I await your rebuttal.

Some of my favorite scientists came from Jewish ancestry.

Richard Feynman remarked about it, in his book "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!"

He figured it was, as some have mentioned, a strive to succeed that was impressed upon them as a child.

Though the examples I'm thinking of eventually became atheists, they still were influenced by what they were taught as children, and many of them came from poor backgrounds.

sezsue, basically your entire "toned down" view of looking into evil schemes throughout history (while hinting Jews are behind most of them) is a direct result of your experience in some debt-collection firm?
How laughable is that?

How many people in here didn't have any bad experiences (to them, or to people close to them) or bad stuff coming at them from the company they worked for? That includes some issues that are illegal or not perfectly legal.

I say instead of raging on because your boss was a douche, man up and look at things the way they should be looked at. Writing a 2 pages long poem about how evil your boss was, just to make Jews look evil-er in the eyes of few, is just pathetic.


On-topic: Anyone could gather some criminal offenses (or simply mean/evil deeds) done by either Jewish, Christian or Muslim people, and claim for a world-wide scheme done by people of said religion. It's really easy.
It's even easier after all of that to dedicate a little line and say "most are bad, not all" - not to sound too racist.


People are evil and that have nothing to do with religion or race.

reply to post by IsraeliGuy

It really depends upon your definition of evil.
When I look at Israel, the methods the Israeli leadership use for the expansion of Israeli settlements, I see evil. I could go on, but why, you are "Israeli Guy"...
Israel shouldn't even exist. It is an absolute travesty that so few can have so much influence. The good the vast majority of Jews do simply does not balance the bad that the Jews allow to happen within their ethnic ranks.
I am not going to argue with you, you have no prayer of altering my views because daily they are reinforced...not by any prejudice I may harbor, but by the actions of your compatriots. Look at yourself, your people, and you will understand why in the end, the world WILL turn against you. I suppose it has been prophesied, hasn't it?

reply to post by IsraeliGuy

sezsue, basically your entire "toned down" view of looking into evil schemes throughout history (while hinting Jews are behind most of them) is a direct result of your experience in some debt-collection firm? How laughable is that?

No, it's not a direct result of my bad experience at a job. The fact that the owner and his buddies were Jewish didn't make me hate all Jewish people because as I stated before, I base my opinion of people on their individual actions.

You can call me racist but God knows my heart, and I don't care what anyone calls me. I know myself and my motivations. But I am not going to let political correctness keep me from stating the truth of any situation God has allowed me to see. I have to follow the evidence and speak out against injustice If that's what the evidence uncovers.

See, about 4 years ago, I found out about something I had never heard about before, which was something very disturbing. (Not related to my job experience or Jews) I prayed to God to open my eyes and *prove* to me (as a human with a human's understanding) that what I was seeing was true, and I asked him to guide me to the things I needed to know. I actually asked God to show me what the future would bring. He did, by showing me the past, and other things. And the near future ain't gonna be pretty for most people.

As far as your comment about gathering criminal offenses done by people and claiming a worldwide scheme, going on by said people, I'm of Irish background. Have at it. But remember, there has to be evidence available indicating a worldwide scheme of manipulation and control of power and events that didn't turn out good for millions of people. Are the Irish the common denominator behind events such as nuclear bombs, world wars and such?

A question for you, when did it become racist to tell the truth?

Anyone can do some research and come to the same conclusions I did.

Actions speak louder than words.

People are evil and that have nothing to do with religion or race.

Well that's one thing I said in my first post that we both agree with.

God bless

Sezsue

Originally posted by xalaran
oah my god a jew made money quick hang em all....

hmmm i am jewish by birth and ive been screwed over at every chance by anyone and everyone who who just happened to be christian..... so jews are rich and evil..so where is my check and who have i tourtured,harassed,murdered,raped,humiliated simply because of my religion..."oah you making it about religion" well arent you? but the thing is when is the last time jews have committed genocide against millions robbed its people (go to hell madoff) or better yet when was the last time jews waged war against a whole religion thousands of years ago? christians are doing it right now vs muslims think about it in the sense of the "Red Fever" back in the cold war years same thing is happening today....but hey everything is in the name of god from all religions ......when you think about the things done in the name of religion if your anything like me you decide to believe in god in your own way and just hope there is a god out there.

Hmmm, let's think of the Bolsheviks for one example. Or the Israelis at this very moment.

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by IsraeliGuy

 

It really depends upon your definition of evil.
When I look at Israel, the methods the Israeli leadership use for the expansion of Israeli settlements, I see evil. I could go on, but why, you are "Israeli Guy"...

How old are you? Just because I am an "Israeli guy" does it mean I cannot deal with opinions against my country? Are you really that backwards to think every Israeli is so patriotic he cannot deal with listening to stuff against his own country? Pfft, I bet I got tons more stuff to say against my country than you ever will have. That is, legit issues and not some speculations and rumors about how evil the JOOS are, typically born in pathetic new-generation hysteria sites (cough-infowars).

Israel shouldn't even exist.

Obviously you are holding balanced, unbiased opinions

It is an absolute travesty that so few can have so much influence.

It is an absolute shame that such a small country influence you so much. I suppose the rabid slaughtering of thousands in Africa is small-time news. The main event always come from the Israeli region. Ofcourse.

The good the vast majority of Jews do simply does not balance the bad that the Jews allow to happen within their ethnic ranks.

Huh? Now I could maybe form an argument here if you'd be talking about the state of Israel, but since you're talking about Jews as in - the common Jewish public that walks among you everyday, I fail to see any reason to engage any sort of argument until you start understanding who your feud is against. If your feud is indeed against Jewish people, and you are convinced that Jewish people do lots more evil things than good stuff, you are downright ignorant. Not only that, but you have no way of knowing if you are right or not.

I am not going to argue with you, you have no prayer of altering my views because daily they are reinforced...not by any prejudice I may harbor, but by the actions of your compatriots.

Trust me I care not for your opinion or how to change it. Ignorant will remain ignorant.

Look at yourself, your people, and you will understand why in the end, the world WILL turn against you. I suppose it has been prophesied, hasn't it?

*looks*
I see myself, a normal person that have never killed or harmed anybody, especially nobody of other race or ethnic group, that has a daily job like most of us here, living a normal life doing nothing really evil.
*looks at you*
I see a bigoted buffoon that can't even decide who is he against - the state of Israel or the Jewish public, and openly admits he won't listen to anything coming from anyone that has anything to do with either Judaism or the state of Israel, just because his opinions are reinforced daily. Sad.

But yeah keep hoping the world will turn on us or whatever stupid prophecies you believe in.
Me? I don't believe in prophecies.

Originally posted by sezsue
reply to post by IsraeliGuy

 

Blah blah blah

You are a religious nutcase buddy. I wish you goodluck in your life.

reply to post by IsraeliGuy

Well, Israeli guy, since you have very little history here, perhaps you could elaborate on what problems YOU have with your "country" and its policies? (That is funny, "your" country...)
I would hate to have misjudged you, but i doubt I have.
Next, maybe justify the existence of Israel since you believe me to be unbalanced. Show me the balance.
I will keep your assignment simple, but I bet you fail. What do you bet?

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy[

Originally posted by sezsue
reply to post by IsraeliGuy

 

Blah blah blah
You are a religious nutcase buddy. I wish you goodluck in your life.

Yeah........that's what I thought. Typical reaction when there is no good rebuttal to be made.

Your hole's waiting, go stick your head back in the sand.......

Originally posted by seinfeld

Originally posted by badw0lf

What a load of twaddle. Do you even remember the net before google? At all? Were you even able to use a computer then?

Oh wow.. this is how far the thing has come eh..

Metacrawler was the Google before google..

You think I dont remember? I do. Its just metacrawler, lycos and all those didnt make it.

I'd bet a good sum of money you use Google regularly. When is the last time you used metacrawler?

Google made it to the front, not because they are evil, but because they played wisely.

Or perhaps they had a little help from some friends?????????
second

Originally posted by seinfeld

Your definition of Zionism gives (I suspect intentionally) only one definition of the word. As you must surely be aware, there are several definitions for this term. There is one which you conveniently omit:

From Google:
"Zionism - The covert establishment of a global Jewish dominion, the aim described in the Protocols of Zion (the true meaning of the term 'Zion' (Promised Land) is not Israel alone but the entire world controlled from Israel"

This is what a majority of people on here mean when they refer to Zionist. Now, look at the definition clearly - Zionism = the covert establishment of a global JEWISH dominion.

Are you really surprised that Jews are getting criticised for this? Or should people just take it lying down because Jews don't like being criticised?

Also, show me even a dozen of these 'thousands' of threads on ATS where there is gratuitous jew bashing, just because they are jews, which is what your OP and your other posts imply. I am not convinced your basic premise is true. What I have seen is people being very, very against the Jewish dominion which is taking place before our very eyes. Most people on here use the word Zionist to distinguish ordinary decent Jews from the Zionist, criminal, psychopathic Jewish cabal who are doing this and who want to kill of 2/3 of us. And you wonder why people are critical???

And hey, how's this for hypocrisy. No non-Jew is allowed to be part of the Israeli government.....yet look how many Jews have inserted themselves into US and European governments. Look at how they use their money to bribe and corrupt OUR countries...to further the aim of JEWISH DOMINION.

Then there's the Talmud which says non-Jews are there to serve Jews, be their slaves. How RACIST is that?

Then there's the small issue of the illegal apportioning of Palestine land, the genocide of its people and the illegal and inexcusable blockade. Oh, and the murder of the peaceful protesters.

So, this Israeli (Jewish) foreign policy, has got Judaism a very bad name. Does that really surprise you?

Then, there is the economic collapse caused by the Jewish banksters OUTSIDE of Israel. Are they evil? You bet they are.

Then there's the Jewish control and censorship of the Western media - which they have highjacked and now use as a Zionist mouthpiece. They have abolished freedom of speech in OUR media.

Then there is the annual $3billion of mililtary aid which goes to Israel, out of OUR taxes.

Then there is the flaunting of UN regulations regarding nuclear weapon disclosure and control, putting US at risk.

Then there is the Mossad theft of passports to pin a murder on innocent EUROPEAN citizens.

I could go on, but I won't.

What I really don't get is that you just don't GET IT.

What you seem to be wanting, you and many others, is some kind of preferential treatment because you are Jews. You seem to think no-one has any right to criticise all of the above.

The Israeli government makes a HUGE deal of the fact that they are Jews - so hey, why shouldn't others?

If you think you should be exempt from that for some reason, IMO you are living in cloud cuckoo land. It ain't going to happen. The days of Israel/Jews being exempt from criticism is way gone.

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Thanks for that excellent post.

second.

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by IsraeliGuy

 

Well, Israeli guy, since you have very little history here, perhaps you could elaborate on what problems YOU have with your "country" and its policies? (That is funny, "your" country...)
I would hate to have misjudged you, but i doubt I have.
Next, maybe justify the existence of Israel since you believe me to be unbalanced. Show me the balance.
I will keep your assignment simple, but I bet you fail. What do you bet?

Hahahahah "what do you bet?" .. Is this place for real? Lmao.

Anyway, the justified existence of Israel, a Jewish (mostly) state:


"The UN appointed a committee to decide how to deal with Palestine, the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP). While the UNSCOP mission was visiting Palestine, in July 1947, Jewish and Zionist delegations met with the committee; the Arab Higher Committee boycotted the meetings.

In September 1947, one month after Partition of India, UNSCOP recommended partition in Palestine, a suggestion ratified by the UN General Assembly on November 29, 1947. The result envisaged the creation of two states, one Arab and one Jewish, with the city of Jerusalem to be under the direct administration of the United Nations.
The General Assembly resolution called upon Britain to evacuate a seaport and sufficient hinterland to support substantial Jewish migration, by February 1, 1948. Neither Britain nor the UN Security Council acted to implement the resolution and Britain continued imprisoning Jews attempting to migrate, in camps on Cyprus.
Concerned that partition would severely damage Anglo-Arab/Muslim relations, Britain refused to cooperate with the UN, denying the UN access to Palestine during the interim period (a requirement of the partition decision). Final evacuation was completed by May 1948. Britain continued to hold Jews of "fighting age" and their families on Cyprus even after leaving Palestine. They were eventually released in March 1949.

Ofcourse, the arabs denied the partition plan suggested by the UN with the following announcement:
"he Palestinian Arabs consider any attempt by Jewish people or by whatever power or group of power to establish a Jewish state in an Arab territory to be an act of aggression that will be resisted by force"

..Which led to the War of Independence.

Fighting between the Arab and Jewish communities of Palestine began in November 1947, immediately after the UN decision to create a Jewish state. The Arab States declared they would greet any attempt to form a Jewish state with war.

Fighting spread as the British gradually withdrew. The Arab League could not invade until the British completed their withdrawal, and planned an invasion for the day after. In this phase, before the British departure, the struggle was a civil war. Arab forces consisted of village militias buttressed by the Arab Liberation Army, a force composed largely of Arab volunteers from across the Middle-East but which included European mercenaries including British deserters, German Nazis and veterans of the (Bosnian Moslem) Croatian Waffen SS (whose commander had been the Palestinian Mufti of Jerusalem). The Jews had their militias (including many World War II veterans) and a several thousand strong professional force called the Palmach.

In the early stages 100,000 Palestinian Arabs, mainly the upper classes and the better off fled to neighbouring states. Before May 1948, 150,000 more fled or were evicted during fighting as the Jews slowly overpowered the Arab forces. Jewish preparation for the Arab invasion led to the eviction of hostile Arab communities who controlled access routes. In Haifa the Arab Higher Committee (who were based in Syria) refused to allow a negotiated cease fire with the Jews or allow the Arab population to remain under Jewish control thus contributing to the departure of the city's Arab population. There was particularly heavy fighting on the road to Jerusalem, whose 100,000 strong Jewish community was cut off from the rest of the country, and this led the Jews to destroy most of the Arab villages along the narrow route they eventually established between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

On May 14, 1948, the last British forces left Haifa, and the Jewish Agency, led by David Ben-Gurion, declared the creation of the State of Israel, in accordance with the 1947 UN Partition Plan. Both superpower leaders, U.S. President Harry S. Truman and Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, immediately recognized the new state.

..Ofcourse that wasn't enough war for the arabs.

Arab League members Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq declared war and announced their rejection of the UN partition decision. They claimed the right of self-determination for the Arabs of Palestine over the whole of Palestine. Saudi-Arabia and Sudan also sent forces.

UN Secretary General Trygve Lie described this as "the first armed aggression which the world had seen since the end of the war".


But yeah, that's another story.


Anywho - My concerns about my country (and yes that is my country. It does not belong to me but it most certainly is my country) are mostly social related unfairness. But hey, my issues with the country are stuff that makes sense and not some propaganda stuff made by people miles away that don't even know jack about the country.
As for the settlements, many were evicted in the previous years by Ariel Sharon (Hitnatkut), and the areas returned to the Palestinians only serve now as launching pads for Hamas' rockets.


By the way, if Israel is such an evil monster I'd like to hear what some of you think of Iran. I guess that hanging 12 year old girls to the eyes of the street public, or to have a public executions is a very advanced cultural way of living.
While you're at it, do some research on how is it like living in any of the countries around Israel and those are Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, Bahrain, Iraq and Jordan. Well Jordan is pretty OK (going there every weekend to play some poker) but the rest are just ... UGH.

@The other religious fanatic - dude, you're a complete lunatic. If anyone's head is in the sand it's your's. If you truly believe I will have any conversation with you as-long as you keep saying how all of your idealism is made due to a proof handed by god, you're better off talking to your 10 cats which I'm positive you've got.

I'd also like to point out that speaking of the Talmud or anything similar is inappropriate since Israeli government and majority of people are secular. Unlike neighboring arab states with a fanatic religious government.

Rest assured, I know nothing I will post will change your mind and neither do I care. I'm just here to state some facts and amuse myself with your violent RAGE towards anything Jewish/Israeli. You think I signed up here as an ISRAELI GUY nickname for no reason? I know this ticks you off

The only thing you can do about it is sit at your computer and rage on, wishing the world will turn on us at the end of the days.
..Or you could listen to what other people have to say as long as it's not idiotic hate-filled anti-everything propaganda.

reply to post by IsraeliGuy


Do you actually have something to say apart from insults and copy/pasteing past drivel?
All I see is huge posts will little substance..
Are you another one of them "paid by line" members?

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by IsraeliGuy

 

Do you actually have something to say apart from insults and copy/pasteing past drivel?
All I see is huge posts will little substance..
Are you another one of them "paid by line" members?

Maybe you should start reading, since 98% of my post was on-the-point about a question I was asked.
"Paid by line"? Lol you guys are just sad.

And what's this about copy/pasting (pasteing? lol!)? Is it wrong for someone to actually bring forth material from a reliable source that is not some silly conspiracy site? I guess it is when it's crossing your agenda.

-Brb, getting paid by the evil Zionist government for posting on-line to 12 year olds. LOL!

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Rest assured, I know nothing I will post will change your mind and neither do I care. I'm just here to state some facts and amuse myself with your violent RAGE towards anything Jewish/Israeli. You think I signed up here as an ISRAELI GUY nickname for no reason? I know this ticks you off

The only thing you can do about it is sit at your computer and rage on, wishing the world will turn on us at the end of the days.
..Or you could listen to what other people have to say as long as it's not idiotic hate-filled anti-everything propaganda.

Yes, I am in a rage against Zionism and Israeli policies. They are murdering us all. Any sane, decent person would be. The fact that you can see it as a joke speaks volumes about who you are. Nothing anyone can say will create even a chink in those indoctrinated into the Jewish psychotic view of the world and their xenophobia, sociopathy and murderous, evil, psychotic sense of superiority. And neither will I be silenced into not speaking out about it. Your cries of anti-semitism are pathetic, truly pathetic.......but, clearly, are the only excuse for any kind of defence you can come up with.

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

..Or you could listen to what other people have to say as long as it's not idiotic hate-filled anti-everything propaganda.

Now why don't you and your Israeli politicians start taking some of your OWN advice - or is this just more double standards?