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posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by scott,aussie
wy becouse we dont want use doinig what yous do to yourselves over her is that a good reason for you

That doesn't even make any sense.

I'm asking why you think that Australian troops and special forces should be active in Afghanistan ?

Why are these diggers involved in a war that has no relevance to Australia ?

punterdeb

posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 08:27 PM

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reply to post by OmegaLogos

dont give this little oxygen thief anymore of your time.

mr-lizard

posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by lestweforget
reply to post by punterdeb

As a fellow Aussie and former serviceman i have to agree with regard to our diggers valour! As far as us
needing military assistance, i dont think the US or England would sit back and let us be over run by
little Indonesians when or if they decided to.
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As an english man, i'd expect the UK government to assist Australia if you ever needed it.

Sherlock Holmes

posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by OmegaLogos
Explanation: Struth!
Completely agree with you that morally the war in afghanistan is wrong and should never of started at all and yes the Aussies [under Howard] were willingly duped into this conflict! [St*r btw but begrudged!

This is no excuse for the continual presence of Australian soldiers in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has nothing to do with Australia.

I understand that some troops can be involved in humanitarian aid and peacekeeping services, in places like Afghanistan and other less fortunate countries, but that's all that they should do !

A remnant of the old government is not a justification for the continual occupation of another sovereign country. ie. the Australians occupying Afghanistan.

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
So could you please show me evidence of where YOUR [and only yours] inalienable Human Rights were violated by the Australian Military, for you to have such a chip on yours and yours alone shoulders, which therefor validly caused you to hate them [me???] and drove you to post such a unspirited [in sense of brotherhood] comments to this thread. If you cannot do this then your comments were clearly out of spite and are therefore off topic and invalidly held! I anxiously await your reply containing such evidence otherwise just
OK!

I never said that I had ''unalienable rights'', nor have I been overly critical of the Australian military.

You're barking up the wrong tree here, mate.

My objection is to the Australian military's deployment in Afghanistan.

I haven't got a chip on my shoulder, I object to their involvement in a country that they've got nothing to do with !

The only explanation of the Australian military operations in Afghanistan, is because they were sucking up to the USA, and became a puppeyt of the US foreign policy.

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
Personal Disclosure: Didn't you hear Springer on ATS live a couple of days back [ATS Live #31 rewind at www.illustrial.net... saying if you can't say something nice then its probably better not to post?

I didn't listen to that podcast of ATS live.

What have I said that's not ''nice'' ?

Is telling the ''truth'', suddenly a problem ?

We've got two scenarios, here;; either Afghanistan is filled with '''terrorists'' that will destroy our way of life, or we'll ignore the fact that the 9-year occupation of the country is fruitless and involves foreign soldiers occupying a sovereign country.

My personal opinion, is GO AFGHAN !!!

OmegaLogos

posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 09:50 PM

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reply to post by Sherlock Holmes

Explanation: Apologies to the OP as I must deal with this...

This is no excuse for the continual presence of Australian soldiers in Afghanistan.

Yes there is... its called fixing what we fubahed!

Afghanistan has nothing to do with Australia.

Yes we do... both countries [Australia definately is, but Afghanistan a country...debatable and don't worry I cover it later on

] are on the same planet and both [if both exist!] are TOTALLY covered by these LAWS!

Universal Declaration of Human Rights!

I understand that some troops can be involved in humanitarian aid and peacekeeping services, in places like Afghanistan and other less fortunate countries, but that's all that they should do !

Then who would you have train and pay for the training of the VALID Afghan military forces?

Because...

Afghan National Army [wiki]

To thwart and dissolve anti-government militant groups, the Karzai administration has offered cash and vocational training to encourage members to join the ANA. As of July 2010
Important Topic Updates
, the Afghan National Army consists of 134,000 active troops and is expected to double within the next 2 years. The current goal of the Afghan Ministry of Defense is to expand the ANA to about 260,000 troops at a cost of $20 billion, which is supported by U.S. President Barack Obama. All costs of expansion of the military, including pay and new modern equipment, would be paid for by the American government.

Which brings me to...

A remnant of the old government is not a justification for the continual occupation of another sovereign country. ie. the Australians occupying Afghanistan.

Says you on what authority???

I never said that I had ''unalienable rights'', nor have I been overly critical of the Australian military.

You're barking up the wrong tree here, mate.

My objection is to the Australian military's deployment in Afghanistan.

Then please validate your objection [with some evidence] to Australia fixing what it fubahed OK!

I haven't got a chip on my shoulder, I object to their involvement in a country that they've got nothing to do with !

But Australia needs to fix what it fubahed and The Afghan Gov is giving full support to that!

The only explanation of the Australian military operations in Afghanistan, is because they were sucking up to the USA, and became a puppeyt of the US foreign policy.

Nope! That may be why we went there and yep thats total BS, but that is not the current state of affairs now is it!

[OFF-TOPIC]

I didn't listen to that podcast of ATS live.

I highly recommend it!

[ON-TOPIC]

What have I said that's not ''nice'' ?

Here...

In other news, Afghan resistance fighters have killed an invading Australian soldier.

Go Afghans !

See even you directly implied in your 1st post to this thread that your post was not on topic as it hmmm what was it...ah yes ...was "In other news"!!!

Being Off-Topic is RUDE!

Do you concur???

Is telling the ''truth'', suddenly a problem ?

Nope! But being off-topic IS! :shk:

We've got two scenarios, here;; either Afghanistan is filled with '''terrorists'' that will destroy our way of life, or we'll ignore the fact that the 9-year occupation of the country is fruitless and involves foreign soldiers occupying a sovereign country.

If its been occupied and in your own words you don't consider the Current Afghan Government as legitimate then there is no Afghanistan as its now just a lawless realm [for over 5yrs] and isnt a country or nation at all anymore!

OR it does have a legitimate Government, in which case, then Australia is there with their BLESSING!

My personal opinion, is GO AFGHAN !!!

I agree and upgrade to GO HUMANITY!!!

Personal Disclosure: We've got two scenarios, here; either Sherlock's post is filled with '''RUDE'' off-topic issues that were trying to destroy this threads good vibes, or the fact that Sherlock's is implying that they rule Afghanistan and want Australia to please leave! Which is it???

P.S.

If you do legitimately rule Afghanistan... seems that isn't going to well for you! Maybe you could use some Aussie Diggers to come help you out with that mate!

extra DIV

punterdeb

posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 11:41 PM

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reply to post by Sherlock Holmes

shame on you sherlock, you took a post that was nothing to do with the reasons why we are there, and kept going till you turned it around and got a bite. this was a post about aussie soldiers and what they have done over the last 100 YEARS, not the last 5 minutes.

you are the reason a lot of good people dont post, dont start threads and are leaving ats in droves. i suggest you take up boxing or some other form of sport as a release from your frustrations instead of trawling the internet looking for fights and trying to imitate someone who has a brain, any idiot can sit at a computer with a thesaurus and try to seem intelligent and start crap. its getting very old hat.

this was simply a thread about how proud i am of the aussie troops and the high regard they are held in around the world for their assistance given in the last 100 years. i dont know which country you are from but you may have very well been sitting around and eating rice while speaking japanese if it wasnt for the aussies.

and before you start with the whole off topic crap again, dont bother, you are just looking even more stupid with every post.

farewell "mate" bug out and go bother someone else you bar fly.

Archangelelijah

posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Skippy1138

lol, your not in OZ and your name is skippy?
But yes, Australia has done it's share and then some.
Many consider Australia a safe place in the event of many doomsday events.
So yes, please come and help if we need it but don't bring 100 relatives with you as we aint got enough water..

The Aussies support most nations as do the US. That's what makes us like brothers.
Back in Black, I don't know where you got the idea Aussies haven't got much water. Rural areas are still allowed rain tanks and the citys are trialing desalination and expanding dams in the surrounding areas.

No country is safe when doomsday arrives!

auswally

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 12:08 AM

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reply to post by lestweforget

As a fellow Aussie and former serviceman i have to agree with regard to our diggers valour! As far as us needing military assistance, i dont think the US or England would sit back and let us be over run by little Indonesians when or if they decided to.

You my friend are a knob

Indonesia invading Australia what a crock of dog poo. you been there mate

As for you being a ex service man. I call your bluff, what from the boy scouts

I have followed your posts on doomsday crap and really if you are an ex service man i am disgusted at your thoughts about this great country.

Please stop posting you are giving real Australians that have pride, and are proud ,a very bad name

And for #shirlock whilst I am on my rant, UN sent us there peanut. geez I wish some would educate themselves

Wally

backinblack

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 12:32 AM

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reply to post by Archangelelijah

Back in Black, I don't know where you got the idea Aussies haven't got much water.

Could be because I'm in Australia and SA and Vic have had servere water restrictions for a few years now..
I also dissagree with the desal plant that will cost the taxpayer yearly, rain or shine.

InfaRedMan

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Australia doesn't have conscription, so the ''diggers'' have a choice in joining the army, and enrolling for conflicts that their country should stick their noses out of.

The diggers should consider who they're fighting for, in their minds, before they decide to join up, unless they want to be actively involved in mindlessly killing and protecting a society that their government tells them is acceptable to invade.

There is a logical flaw in your 'argument'.
Firstly, many people also join the armed forces as a career opportunity in various fields. Sure they are aware that they may be sent into a particular theatre - but if all people thought like you, no country would have armed forces to protect their own shores... just in case they are sent into some heavily politicised war.

"Oh.. I better not join the army just in case I get sent into theatre".

It doesn't work that way mate! You know it, and I know it. Soldiers don't get to choose their battles. Governments do. While soldiers are in theatre, they do whatever it takes to survive and come home to their families. I'm sure if you asked many, they wouldn't be happy about being there... so wishing death upon them is puerile.

IRM

NuclearPaul

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 12:56 AM

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Yeah! Go us Aussies! We killed someone!

Chadwickus

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 12:58 AM

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reply to post by InfaRedMan

It should be known too that the regular soldiers are mainly there for these trades, such as carpentry, engineering etc.

Plus some are tasked with the protection of other civilian trades.

The only ones seeing active combat are the SAS.

NuclearPaul

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by punterdeb
no matter where they have been asked to go

You mean where we're told to go.

my only ask would be that if ever we need YOU, you come running just as fast as you can!

If you need me for your "sacrifice" that's too bad. Why don't you do the honourable thing and go there yourself and be killed.

Archangelelijah

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Archangelelijah

Back in Black, I don't know where you got the idea Aussies haven't got much water.

Could be because I'm in Australia and SA and Vic have had servere water restrictions for a few years now..
I also dissagree with the desal plant that will cost the taxpayer yearly, rain or shine.

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We all have to pay for the services we use! Rain, Hail or Shine.

Most states have had water restrictions with NSW just declared out of drought.

This is why we need water regulation and services.

Anyway, we are getting off the topic. The Aussies can do more than people realise. The richest country in the world with the amount of population. Only 22million people and rivaling the US in currency says it all.

NuclearPaul

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by OmegaLogos
At least 2 Aussie Digger Dogs have died in the course of the war and the bloddy scumbag MSM etc. don't include them in the body count tally!

Big deal.

I knew a bloke who served in Vietnam in the dog squad and part of his job was strapping explosives to them and sending them down the tunnels.

But then there a those who probably think it was a good thing to do.

auswally

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 01:35 AM

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reply to post by lestweforget

As a fellow Aussie and former serviceman i have to agree with regard to our diggers valour!

Yep i am calling you a Hoax leastweforget. Why would an ex serviceman from a army that is highly regarded around the world ask this in his own thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Can you please tell all of us why you think we are fools please, because clearly mate you are full of bull sh%t and true Australians know it when we see it

Wally

OmegaLogos

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
At least 2 Aussie Digger Dogs have died in the course of the war and the bloddy scumbag MSM etc. don't include them in the body count tally!

Big deal.

I knew a bloke who served in Vietnam in the dog squad and part of his job was strapping explosives to them and sending them down the tunnels.

But then there a those who probably think it was a good thing to do.

War is never a good thing to do! Doesn't mean we should add insult to injury now does it mate!?

Personal Disclosure: Hmmm? Your attitude is quite interesting!

I can in a single post define when and where and why and the validness of that, of going to war. Can you do the same?

Because...

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

And TPTB are gunning for you AS WELL! What actions will you take and WHY, when you rebel?

And if you won't rebel then, then why are you rebelling against this thread here and now???

Seems to me you have your prioritories way way outa whack and thats just sad!

:shk:

NuclearPaul

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 04:31 AM

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reply to post by OmegaLogos

Don't get me wrong. I feel for those poor dogs and was being sarcastic when I said "big deal".

The reason they're not on the body count is because the Government couldn't cover up the dogs they "sacrifice" in this manner. It might make them look bad.

Shminkee Pinkee

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 04:36 AM

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reply to post by punterdeb

We do appreciate the Australians mate, I know there is a fierce sporting rivalry with the UK, and we always have a bit of banter passed back and forth, especially with England, but there is much admiration and respect there too, for all of your achievements, and special admiration and respect for the all Australian and New Zealand Soldiers who have fallen in past conflicts. Peace :-)

punterdeb

posted on Nov, 9 2010 @ 04:54 AM

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Originally posted by Shminkee Pinkee
reply to post by punterdeb

We do appreciate the Australians mate, I know there is a fierce sporting rivalry with the UK, and we always have a bit of banter passed back and forth, especially with England, but there is much admiration and respect there too, for all of your achievements, and special admiration and respect for the all Australian and New Zealand Soldiers who have fallen in past conflicts. Peace :-)

thankyou so much for your reply and not changing the subject. your reply is in the spirit that i meant this thread to be. it was a post about how we all may have our differences on say the sporting field, but when it comes to mateship and our allies, we stand shoulder to shoulder with each other.

to the others, especially sherlock, who went completely off topic just to bung on a blue, pee off and destroy someone elses thread.