Retired and Discharged members called up!

The problem is, Bush has strong-armed Canada's government into signing a turn-back order. Any American who is drafted and goes to Canada and is found out will be deported right back. How does that grab ya? Makes me sick!

At least you can go down south and get really lost. Oh yeah, and they gots white sand, palm trees and lotsa rum!

A co-worker of mine (well former) is also a former Black Hawk Pilot. He got a call last night from a former commander telling him to get his affairs in order as it was almost certain he would be called back in. He questioned him a bit on why and was told that this limited call up was really focused on skills. Apparently because he was not only a pilot but flew in a war zone (Bosnia) his name was at the top of the list. He seems fine with it, had even considered volunteering to re-enter at the start of the war. So I think we will find that many of those being called back, will do it out of a sense of loyalty. Well that was his opinion at least. Now I will personally know over 20 people involved in this war.

So, how many folks wanna bet Jenna and Barbara Bush Jr. will NEVER be drafted, or Cheney's kid(s) for that matter.

Here's an interesting quote:

They talk about conscription as a democratic institution. Yes; so is a cemetary.
� Rep. Meyer London

Like i said, my commitment is legally over and done with. Until the override that aspect, Im pretty much in the clear.

I could get lost in Canada, and remeber, I hate sunshine and hot weather! Canada would be perfect. Go WAAAY up north and hide in the tundra. If they wanna waste the effort on hunting me amongst the polar bears, good luck to em!

Thankfully, my MOS is not a high demand one. i was a generator mechanic. Im sure they can find plenty of people for that specialty, its the combat ones they are a boit short on.

Now that a few people I knew have been killed in Iraq, my total number of people I know who are over there has dropped to about 12.

Yeah, you could hike up to the YUKON and get good and lost. You know me, tho, I'm a caribbean-souled parrothead!

Did you train at Ft. Belvoir, Va. Skadi?

C'mon up Skadi, we'll have a few beers on your way to the tundra. Don't stop at Toronto, goes up to the 90's in summer.

Originally posted by curme
I am so sick of hearing this. Just because you sign up for the military, doesn't mean you agree to to the poor decisions of your leadership. In the military, your superior can't say, "Shoot yourself in the head." Millitary members are bound not to do anything illegal or immoral.

Military members are required to follow all legal orders regardless of what they think of them. So, you do agree with the decisions (poor or other) that your leaders make.

They join with the expicit quid pro quo that thier leadership will take care of them when they sign thier life over to them. So when the leadership fails them, they didn't sign on the dotted line for that. Don't blame the soldiers for being lied to or mistreated, blame the ones who broke their obigation to watch over them.

In what way have the soldiers, in this case, been lied to? It is clearly explained to them how the system works BEFORE they sign the dotted line. Perhaps the ones that are now complaining were the ones that were not paying attention when that particular fact was brought up. It should not come as a surprise to anyone in the armed forces as the same system exists in all of them.

cool hand
so you think the nazis who killed countless numbers of jews were right? you think they are proud of doing it? hitler misled his troops then, as bush is misleading our troops now.
its sad how are troops recieve different info than we civilians do. and they do. when my friend came back in august, she didnt even know british troops were out there. she was in communications, it makes me question wether the british troops were out there in the onslaught at all...
the people i know who signed up for the army were looking for college money, they never thought they'd be fighting a war for reasons they cant even figure out.
my girl is losing it. her poor head cant take seeing and smelling anymore dead bodies.

Originally posted by tiwoh
cool hand
so you think the nazis who killed countless numbers of jews were right? you think they are proud of doing it? hitler misled his troops then, as bush is misleading our troops now.

Where are you inferring that from? I said that they had to follow the LEGAL orders only. If given an illegal order, no member of the armed forces would be punished for not following it.

the people i know who signed up for the army were looking for college money, they never thought they'd be fighting a war for reasons they cant even figure out.
my girl is losing it. her poor head cant take seeing and smelling anymore dead bodies.

Did these people think they were joining the peace corps? Didn't they pay attention when they were told that there was always a possibilty that they could be called upon to serve in a combat situation? I know I did.

Originally posted by tiwoh
cool hand
its sad how are troops recieve different info than we civilians do. and they do. when my friend came back in august, she didnt even know british troops were out there. she was in communications, it makes me question wether the british troops were out there in the onslaught at all...

When you're inside the eye of the storm there are reasons why information is limited. You have your orders and you fight in your perimeter. This is the way it must be. It does the soldier or Marine no good to be flooded with outside information. He/she must be laser-focused on his/her objective at hand. It seems strange to the civilian, I know. But it is for the best.

the people i know who signed up for the army were looking for college money, they never thought they'd be fighting a war for reasons they cant even figure out.

I understand this. However, when someone volunteers and signs on the dotted line, the bottom line is he/she is signing up to learn how to kill people and destroy property. That is their primary job in the military. That's the faustian bargain. If someone gets through their time without having to engage in warfare, that's a great thing. (The vast majority - at least pre 9-11 - never got near war.) But, if it comes up, they must uphold their end of the agreement. No two ways about it.

my girl is losing it. her poor head cant take seeing and smelling anymore dead bodies.

I truly feel for her. I was against this invasion from the beginning. I knew it would exact a horrid price on our young men and women. And for what? A cauldron of lies. It's tragic.

i know that the troops understood they might be subject to combat situations. but the validity of the combat situations that our troops are in now are questionable. many americans dont believe we should have gone into iraq at all, and that number is growing as more info is coming out.
my point is, the dedication of our troops should not be abused. we send so many kids out there to fight, and they spend thier free time wondering why they are out there. some of them have killed themselves, even more come home with serious mental health issues. these are are youths dedicating thier lives for us, we owe them more.
this war is for oil and other bull#. my generation's live's should be better respected than this.

Originally posted by tiwoh
the people i know who signed up for the army were looking for college money, they never thought they'd be fighting a war for reasons they cant even figure out.

Tiwoh,
I don't want to get in a P*$$*(^ contest with you. I am also sad to hear your GF is having problems but the line about most of the people you know joining for the College money is a load of crap!!!
With everything that is happening in the world today, the odds are pretty good if you join the military you will be involved in at least one conflict.
You don't go to the ARMY recruiter for College Money, you go to a bank!! Do you think the military gives that money away for nothing??? I'm sure everyone was taught that nothing is free in this world we live in. I'm just sorry more people didn't believe it and have to find out the hard way.
I was a recuiter for the Navy for 4 years. Everyone says they want money for college but that line is pretty much a load of crap also. By the time a kid is 18-19 and through with High School he or she is pretty much fed up with going to school. The bottom line is that they are joining the military to get away from mom and dad and do some partying. Nobody wants to hear that - but it's the honest truth.
Again, I'm truly sorry for the troubles with your friends but they shouldl have known better than to sign up expecting to get a free ride through college......

One other thing. This threads title is totally wrong. They are not calling up retired personnel!

If you leave the service after 20 years you are NOT Retired, you are transferred to the fleet reserve. The only way to retire is to complete 30 years of service.

My SIL is due to get out soon but we are not too sure he will, he has been to (6 month0 Afghanistan and (1 yr.) Iraq but was told he should re-enlist to get the benefit of a sign-up bonus since they are probably going to keep him in for the full four years that are ususally reserve.

Sometimes, in addition to a bonus they offer a choice of duty station. He will have to check on that. I'de choose somewhere like Keflavek.

was a recuiter for the Navy for 4 years. Everyone says they want money for college but that line is pretty much a load of crap also. By the time a kid is 18-19 and through with High School he or she is pretty much fed up with going to school. The bottom line is that they are joining the military to get away from mom and dad and do some partying. Nobody wants to hear that - but it's the honest truth.

That's an interesting perspective you have there. I don't know where you've recruited, but America is a big country. At least from where I've been, in the North East and here in New Mexico, people care about earning money for college. I assure you that most kids are not signing up just to get away from mom and dad. This biased view reminds of me of how police officers assume everyone is a criminal.

rwsdakota could the US government be preparing for another war with Iran we have 7 carrier groups heading to the Persian gulf maybe for a blockade of Iran so they might be getting extra firepower just in case.


[edit on 4-7-2004 by WestPoint23]

This is a travesty. More people are going to die.
This recall didn't exactly make headline news.


The fact is, soldiers are getting slaughtered over there. Mainstream
media plays down the numbers of deaths/severe injuries.

Check out this link to a reputable veterans group which gives the
real statistics. I am going to create a new topic on this, so people
tell others about the huge amount of US soldiers losing their legs
because of the bombings over there. Average age of injuried soldier
is 23. That we are allowing this to occur is like, too sadistic for words.

www.veteransforcommonsense.org...
(Veterans For Common Sense)

was the war on terrorism even constitutionally amended?