UFO's I filmed in Infrared just 45 minutes ago...

Firstly, I dont think the op made this as a joke, but i do think its fake.
I am in the air force and i tell u the truth when i say project blue beam is real, although that is not the actual name. chem trails have the chemical tat make the hologram visible. Its all for the alien agenda to fake a UFO invasion. if the next world war doesnt succeed in causing enough chaos to bring on the new world order then plan B is alien invasion

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Using the words Fake, Hoax or otherwise without examination or discussion.
Read this: ENOUGH!

That is what I was referencing.

I am sorry I am condescending my tone. If so, it is more out of frustration that so many feel they are experts without the actual work and experience, while insulting the OP and other posters. I will work on that.

We did not see exactly what the OP saw. He saw a higher resolution image and the object before you see it in the video. It became more prominent once he turned towards it, but initially was not seen in the reduced resolution. A full resolution copy will show what he saw, when he saw it, so your assuming because you do not see it he did not is not valid. We need wait for the high res copy to evaluate, or hold our opinions.

I cannot find any basis worth believing this was bird or insect after evaluation visually. Math wont help with qualitative perceptive skills. Math can be wrong. One incorrect assumtion in your calculations will throw all off. Bruce Maccabee is one to do that. I would trust his experience with optics and speed evaluations. Can you show me your math?

And as I stated, the laser needs something to reflect off. or, it keeps going. It is coherent photons. They would need something to bounce or scatter off of. The photons don't stop in mid air and reflect back. It would have to be a piece of glass with a specific reflective coating to see the dot. A BIG piece of glass, so not plausible. Still, where is the beam? You need to think this out more.

You make some more mistakes of assumption too. Critical thinking needs details. Don't stop. Keep thinking.

But your prediction? How do you plan to prove a negative? I will wait for that. If you do find such you will disprove a basic law of scientific thought.

Good luck my friend,

ZG

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by Haydn_17
When i see "UFOS" act like that, i ask myself, why would they fly there craft like that? Whats the point?

It's because they aren't physical "crafts," they are spiritual beings. They have been here as long as we have, existing in a different dimension than ours. Why do you think we have so much proof of UFO's but no proof of aliens? CUZ THEY AIN'T ALIENS! lol

Hmm so can you explain to me how non-corporeal beings are captured on camera? If they are spiritual then they are by definition non-physical and therefore cannot be captured by a physical device such as a camera, I think you are confused about what spiritual means, it is not merely a different form of matter.

LOL... Your really showing or ignorance now..Both videos were film during Daytime using the same IR filter and Nightshot mode..But I guess you needed to come up with some type of lame comment to try and cover your lack of knowledge..

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
Visible Green Laser Beam... 532nm
Visible Red Laser Beam....650nm

So if I'm using a 950nm IR filter, which only allows that wavelength to pass through, there is no way a Red or Green laser would be visible in the video.

You forgot these, from the same site.
980nm IR Portable Lasers.

Do you know the bandwidth of that 950nm filter?

PS: I don't think the things on the video are laser pointers.

Debunkers will always try to debunk, that's a given, and no matter how much evidence you show them they will never acknowledge anything other then what suits they're agenda which is Debunking.
I know what this Camera/Filter/Nightshot mode filming can do, what it can do is see things normal cameras can not. I have taken video of these same type of objects before, I know they are real and not Bugs/Birds or Swamp gas.. Not only do I know they are real but the producers for "UFO Hunters" at the History Channel also felt they were worth investigating further.
I was contacted by the Producers of the History Channel requesting the original Hi8 video tape of a prior video I shot using the same Camera filter combination, and sent a authorization form to use my footage on the show "UFO Hunters". So for all you Debunkers out there lets see the videos the History Channel requested from you.!!!!
I wish you could see the footage they requested but I granted them the rights to use it, but of course the debunkers would have debunked it anyway..LOL

files.abovetopsecret.com...

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It doesn't look like the same type of bird.

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
If the objects are invisible, but give off any heat, you should see them with such a filtering. Insects are colder than birds, but birds would be unlikely as explained above.

No, 950nm is near infra-red, not the far infra-red that is visible from heat sources. A 950nm filter will show light that we do not usually see, but not much different from red light.

There are thousands of flying species of insect in any one place, and it is impossible to know with any detail the flight behavior of each candidate you would need to study, but because I am a visual specialist and investigate as well as observe aerial phenomena and have for 40 years, you can see detail in the "qualitative" aspects of this video such as trajectories and proper flight speed relationships, like how the objects behave in turns and accelerate after a turn. These where not any of the above.

What's a "visual specialist", I'm not familiar with that expression.
Could you please explain it? Thanks in advance.

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Oops, I made a mistake. Some how I read the time stamp on the video incorrectly.

Instead of insulting me for making an error, you could have just told me I made a mistake. I am capable of admitting my mistakes...

Not only did you manage to claim I was ignorant, but also lacking knowledge. I can't believe ATS admins allow you to get away with such b.s. If I were you I would watch what you say before I tear you apart word for word and show you just how truly ignorant you are, and how much knowledge you lack, which should be very easy since you made such a moronic topic about birds and insects.

How do you like them apples?

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Could you please explain what tests did you used to reach the conclusion that that camera/filter sees things "normal cameras can not"?

Thanks in advance.

reply to post by GammaRayBurst


The "believers" will believe anything is a UFO. Anything that is blurry, out of focus, and is in the sky is a UFO to the "believers". No matter what evidence you show "believers" they will always believe it is some out of this world object.

Good for you, you got a very horrible video on a very horrible show, I bet you are proud. This wouldn't be the first time UFO Hunters aired a HOAX on their show.

For your information, anyone can get a video on UFO Hunters.... Go pat yourself on your back for accomplishing nothing.

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
LOL..I see, it's fine when you call me a Liar, Fake but then you blame me for your mistake..LOL.. I can only reply to your posts, it's up to you to make them correct..Not for me to read your mind..LOL
Now your really showing your TRUE COLORS... LOL..You Go Girl..!!!

I never called you a liar. Accusing me of calling you a liar is a lie. So... guess what you are now?

Yes I believe your reactions on the video are fake... and apparently, my intuition was proven correct just a few posts ago.

I didn't blame you for any mistakes... so... again... you are accusing me of doing something I didn't do. That makes you a what? Starts with an "L".

Reading my mind? All you had to do is prove me wrong. After you mentioned that I was wrong, I rechecked the facts, and I agree, I was wrong. You didn't have to go insult me for making a mistake.

You are showing your true colors... actually, making you angry made you slip up and it might just be enough to prove this is a hoax. My next post will elaborate on that.

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Everyone read this following quote carefully, and understand what it means regarding this video:

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
I have taken video of these same type of objects before, I know they are real and not Bugs/Birds or Swamp gas..

Several questions are now raised...

1: If you have filmed these objects before, then why do you act so shocked in your video like it is the first time you have seen them? This supports many peoples opinion that your voice and reaction sounds staged.

2: If you have taken video of these same objects before, where are those videos? Can we see them?

3: If you have taken video of these objects before, how come you didn't post them on ATS before? Why now?

4: How do you know they are not bugs/birds? What proof do you have they are not birds or insects?

5: Why did you decide to film the day you filmed the original video? Were you truly trying to film contrails? Were you truly not expecting to film the "UFOs"?

6: Why are you narrating the video as you put your IR lens on and your Night shot mode on? Who were you talking to? Were you planning to upload your video to viewers? Is that why you narrated it? Because you knew you were going to upload the video?

Earlier I said that "I know you filmed these before", and I turned out to be correct. Now my suspicions have been fueled.

Anyone not asking these above questions are just followers and don't question what they are told.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by ZeroGhost

What's a "visual specialist", I'm not familiar with that expression.
Could you please explain it? Thanks in advance.

I have worked professionally with visual media for over 35 years. Illustrator and graphics, video and CGI, animation, photography and photo illustration. My job is to make things look real. I had to study light and physics initially, but also cognition and reality at a university level. Understanding how eye-brain works, and a sense of the augment of video, film, animation to simulate reality. Then early VRML and 3D modeling and animation. Scientific measurement is not as viable as our perception. Our eye and experience is better in many cases. All that and I am a film and video junky too. I have been studying UFO and Alien issues since my teens. I have many friends in sciences and have worked for NASA and SETI as well as astronomers and astrophysicists. So, I might have a sense when observing any phenomena what is happening.

I also studied everything from Meteorology, Biology, Astrophysics and even subatomic physics. Also cultural anthropology, comparative religion and sociology and psychology, and many other subjects my whole life, so I could understand what I was seeing. It all adds up.

Visual Specialist is all that and some more. But I am now considered a producer.

ZG

By the way, I have a similar camera and make I have used for many years. Sony Digital Hi8 DCR-TRV 320 with super night shot 0-Lux.

I don't have the filter for the cam you used. I have caught similar objects at the limit of visual, but the zoom can do pretty well.

At one UFO sighting event I videoed, I also grabbed my Digital SLR with a telephoto lens. I got better definition on the object with the SLR.

ZG