Don't have a gun? Get one.

No, this isn't some "OMG THERE'S A CIVIL WAR COMING!!" post.

But I think any reasonable minded person can see, the current American financial system is a precariously balanced house of cards that can collapse at any moment. And if/when it does, I believe looting and/or rioting will more than likely take place. It would be prudent to have the means to protect your family in the event that local police cannot protect you. (And given some of the local budget cuts being made in some communities across the nation cutting police and fire services, I wouldn't count on them)

Here's hoping the new wave of incoming republicans do not continue the GWB/Obama method of spending. And although I can see SOME merit in tax cuts for corporations (they are the ones that do the hiring, after all), if they choose to continue to export jobs, then no tax cut for them. Why the hell should corporations get a tax cut when they keep sending jobs to Mexico, China and India?

We are also going to have to come to a consensus on what the hell to do in Afghanistan. Well I can certainly say we have a moral obligation to protect women and girls from getting their nose and ears cut off because they want to learn how to read, we have to ask ourselves if we shouldn't be trying to straighten out our house right now.

It's a lot of money being spent over there for minimal gain.

At any rate, I feel America is close to a day of reckoning for it's financial ways. And I am not going to count on politicians (right or left) to do the right thing. I am also not going to count on the police to save my family if/when the riots start after a financial collapse. If people start smashing my property and threatening my family, they'll be met with an AR-15 with laser sight, and a stern warning to get the hell away from my family.

It's worth considering. If you don't think that rioting and looting is possible after a massive financial collapse, I think you have your head in the sand.

I truly understand how you feel...I guess in our case we really don't have anything to steel...My Familys home has been broke in to twice though in spite of not having much...I'd like to think we are save, but I fear no one is really safe...

Z

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I'm with ya there. I don't think I would try and wait for law enforcement to show up if something was going down.

I guess I could also add, just look at the breakdown of society in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Social services were almost nowhere to be found. Looting, shootings and murders were rampant.

In no way do I hope a financial collapse comes to pass, I am just saying it might not be a bad idea to have the means to protect your family if the # hit the fan...

This is an indication that you are truely done with the system then?Do you think that such simple measure as arming yourself will change things greatly?
Sure be prepared, but an ounce of pervention is worth a good pound of sight picture any day.
We need to get into the proactive side of things before we are going to avert those riots you are worried about...
Perhaps you are missing part of the big picture.......because we can do somethiong positive as well.....

Rioting and looting will be rife, and i agree that the banking system is heading steeply towards collapse sometime soon and when it does its going to get nasty.

Personally i am in the UK so under law i am unable to own a firearm, thats a right they took from us a long time ago ., but i there are other ways and means of protecting your family out here i.e crossbows, knives you get the idea not to mention my two beautiful loyal rottweilers that already protect my family and home, so when the time comes i think we would be more than well equipt.

The point is everyone should be ready for this type situation because like you said the police arnt gona do squat and everyone needs to protect there home and family and you have a duty to do so.

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Oh for certain.

But I am not holding out hope that politicians will do the right thing, given the circumstances we find ourselves in at the moment.

I hope they do. But in the meantime, it never hurts to be prepared.

Guns are illegal in New York City, only criminals have them.
Disarming innocent civilians was a good idea

I agree with you about being armed. Its your right in most places to have a firearm inside your home some places you can even carry outside no questions asked.. I lived in phoenix for a few years late 90's early 2000's.

I owned a hand gun and a rifle. Only time i ever carried was when i rode my motorcycle there were tons of bike jackings back then. But as far as protecting yourself from the gov, or tbtb or illuminati..well that will never come to pass in my opnion. I seriously doubt the people in charge of the world are going to let this casino close.

Remeber there steps create a problem and offer the solution. i am guessing just guessing they have a way out of this mess. Its all engineered. This will be a slow slow death for this country if there is a death coming. They will use this engineered crisis to put more laws and taxes in place but life will go on like it always does and always will.

Just my 2 cents

reply to post by Darkrunner


Especially if you have children. And keep it in a low drawer.
Don't forget the bullets! And keep it loaded if you can.

Speaking of guns, I need some advice. I'm about to purchas a S&W .40 for $500, with 3 mags, ammo, and 3 different grips included. The saler says its never been fire. i am more of a rifle man being an Army vet, so I dont know too much about pistols... Does this seem like a fair deal???

Originally posted by rusethorcain
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Especially if you have children. And keep it in a low drawer.
Don't forget the bullets! And keep it loaded if you can.

Ha ha ha. I catch your drift. There's nothing scarier than a newbie with a gun he's nerver shot thinking he can protect himself. If you really wajnt to arm yourself, TRAIN yourself by getting expert training. Then practice so you know how to load that sucker, and hide it until you need it.

I've been thinking the same thing about getting a gun this past year. Because I know that this ponzi economy we have going is going to implode. I've been waiting and waiting but it seems that if the govt. new that everything was about to blow apart the day after tomorrow, they would probably have the police and authorities confiscate the guns they can from the gun shops. The govt. is in a catch 22, if they don't stop the game they are doing it will definitely sink the economy. But if they do proceed with severe austerity and make those cuts, they will anger the people. Imagine, if your only income is SS and your only health is Medicare/Medicade and even cutting all the rest of the govt. programs. People would be dirt poor and almost have nothing, and they will be mad.

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I think anyone with any common sense knows better.

I also don't think I am being unrealistic about the aftermath of a massive financial collapse.

Yeah I am saving up for a pistol right now. there are 2 unique pistols I was looking at I think I'll end up going with "THE JUDGE"


either that or the FN 57..Just what you need for the upcoming zombie apocalypse

Originally posted by SirKnightE
Speaking of guns, I need some advice. I'm about to purchas a S&W .40 for $500, with 3 mags, ammo, and 3 different grips included. The saler says its never been fire. i am more of a rifle man being an Army vet, so I dont know too much about pistols... Does this seem like a fair deal???

It's not unreasonable. Especially if it's never been fired. The .40 S&W has better knock down power than the 9mm, which is why it is becoming a more common caliber among police.

If you buy it, I would suggest taking it to the range frequently and becoming familiar and proficient with it.

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the judge is a beast, you'll explode someones head like a watermelon at that range.

if you get the judge, get an accurate backup weapon incase you need to get behind cover and fire 20-25 yard suppression fire.

i fired a shotgun pistol, but it only took one shell in the chamber. the thing is unholy.

Some folks can't get firearms and for them I would suggest learning how to make intruder or path alerts (strings across a trail to make a noise alerting you, etc) and if so inclined can make more advanced devices that plainly show your displeasure.
The US Army Booby traps manual is a good place to start. Gunpowder can be improvised as well as ignition devices. You can make traps to kill, wound or just scare the crap out of someone.
If you can't improvise explosives you can certainly make a bow that will fling an arrow with deadly force should you choose,
Nobody with any ingenuity is helpless, regardless of your gun laws.
Just don't wait till the SHTF before you print out or try making some of these devices.
Electricity, sharp objects and caustic substances can make life miserable for intruders too - work with what you have.
A well trained dog can be a great asset as well if you can keep it fed,

I keep my faith in Kalashnikov but should it break down I'm still far from helpless.
Cheers

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Good question. Pistol or rifle would depend on where you are, what you are doing and what you perceive the threats to yourself to be.

A pistol can be easily hidden on your person allowing you to carry under nearly all circumstances.

A rifle is for targets at further ranges,

Odds are a pistol would see more use.

$500 isn't a bad deal at all for a S&W .40 with 3 mags.

If it were me I would buy a kel tec Pf9 for $250 and buy a moisin - nagant rifle for another $150, That way you can cover both situations.