Bible prophecy Daniel : Iraqi then Iran???

These below scriptures talk about events occuring at the end right? For those not believing in the Bible or religion, at
least hear me out, or dont..up to you. In Daniel and in Habbabkuk specifically it mentions a war at the end.
I have covered Hab in detail in other posts, pointing out that America may well be the modern day Daughter of
Babylon , also called the Chaladeans and they embark on a war in the mid east and take a huge spoil there scoffing
at all who stand in their way. This post is for your opinon on Daniel :

Daniel 8: 3, 4, 5. "And I saw him come close unto the RAM, and HE was MOVED with CHOLER against him,
and smote the RAM, and BRAKE his two horns; and there was no power in the RAM to stand before him,
but he cast him down to the ground,and stamped upon him; and there was none that could deliver the RAM out of HIS hand

Therefore the HE-GOAT waxed very great; AND WHEN HE WAS STRONG, THE GREAT HORN WAS BROKEN; AND IN ITS PLACE FOUR PROMINENT
HORNS GREW UP TOWARD THE FOUR WINDS OF HEAVEN.

This is about Persia right?? The Goat comes from the WEST right?? We've already seen Iraqi being invaded,
but thats just ONE part of Persia, because Iraqi and Iran were Persia. So IF Daniel and Habb is about this time
right now, and Americas War in the Mid East applies, then AMERICA WILL ATTACK IRAN NEXT. IRAN is the next target.
Because the He Goat breaks 2. First Iraqi then IRAN. After which something happens to or in America that removes
it from being as powerful as it was and is now.

My ideas are:

1) Something will happen in America, before they invade another nation, some terrorist attack of some sort that will
get America in MARSHALL LAW and get the troops marching off again to Mid East.

2) America has defeated Iraqi AND will DEFEAT IRAN with no problem. They will win these wars. Now I dont know if its
just Iran and thats it or if the Chaldeans invade more Mid East countrys BUT either way ALL the wars America fights in Mid East
they WIN.

3)The last great victory of America is the final war they win in Mid East. Very soon after there victories in Mid East
America loses ALOT of its power. Something happens, they get invaded, or other nation strike against America. This may
sound INSANE but think it through, another attack on USA soil, Americans go NUT BOWLING CRAZY with anger and plan to
fight AGAIN in Mid East. The law has been passed they dont even need a reason to attack Iran by the way! But this time
the world has little sympathy for America. citing that it was the Iraqi war that caused them their new attacks. America
will flip the world the bird and do what it wants. All military operations in Mid East will be success, BUT while they
are sending their young stoned torturers offshore, Russia and their Islamic allies will attack America and remove her
from being as mighty as she is now. With the way the world is now, if America attacks another nation as it did Iraqi there will
be either a public or secret colation of states that will get together and plan to deal with America, because she will
be seen as the greatest threat.


If you read Daniel and Hab...how much closer could it be to being fullfilled than what America is doing in Mid East??
Is this NOT A MAJOR RELGIOUS CONSPIRACY?? That the bible is being PROVEN and its PROPHECIES fullfilled right before our eyes
yet WE KNOW NOT???



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I duno it sounds more like we kick Irans rear end and they become free and prosperous afterwards, along with 2 other Arab nations. 4 Horns replacing 3 broken horns. Broken by American (HE).

*Shrug*

But the interpretation by Gabriel was Grecia defeating Persia, so I may be off base with Daniel. I have no idea but it is spoken of for the end as is Habbabkuk,which is alot more detailed naming the Chaledeans as attacking the princes of the Mid East. This is the end time. There is no other event that could fullfill habbabkuk aswell as Americas adventures in the Mid East at the moment.
The wars America gets into in Mid East are unjust, and unfair but America wins all of the wars. Even in Habbabkuk it speaks of Mercy even during WRATH, and that all of the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord. But that said will they not take a parable against Babylon/America?? Wont those who you spoil eventually spoil you?? America is created for destruction, and God will destroy her for strong is the Lord who judges her. The amazing thing is the anger, hatred towards anyone who names America as the Mystery Babylon or daugther of babylon. end times babylon.I understand if you dont care for the Lord and dont believe, but it is the American Christian with the most hatred towards even their own who call America babylon. Americans really believe they are Gods elect and will not know sorrow. It is FRIGHTENING, because when America is dealt with the terror and shock on the faces of those waiting for a rapture to get them out before it hits will be massive. God does not say he will rapture people he clearly tells his people TO LEAVE AMERICA SO YOU WILL NOT TAKE PART IN HER PLAGUES. What does that mean exactly?? It means EVEN if you STAY..you will take part in her destruction.More and more people are warning about it coming, its in the bible..we are not at the beginning this is going down NOW. Right now. Before our eyes it is happening.

So its America wins her wars in Mid East..WAXES GREAT...or Boasts PROUDLY..but then gets back what she has given. Those she blunders will blunder her.

WHats the big deal anyway for American Christians?? All nations will be brought down on the day of the lord for it is written:

I will shake the heavens and the earth;
22 And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen;
and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down,
every one by the sword of his brother

All kingdoms get it not just America. But it is the AROGANT PRIDE, saying it wont ever happen to us.

About the above verse, who is the throne of kingdoms?? Well which nations rules the kingdoms? Militarily,Economically??
Is it not America? If you were to take the entire world as a kingdom....where would the THRONE be??

Well you were warned

i have read a great deal on this subject and i believe that America is probably Babylon... BUT i have a question. If i am an American does that mean i can not go to Heaven even if i live in this country during this time period?

No, it's nothing like that. Everyone is judged on their personal actions. You are only responsible for what you can control. I think he was saying that we are supposed to leave because America as a whole is to be judged. So, if you are a Christian living in America, you don't have to worry about God judging you personally for living here, but you might have some difficult times if the country is attacked or a comet lands here, ect.

Will we attack Iran? It's very possible. We could defeat them of course, but we would have to officially turn into an empire to do so. By that I mean not worrying about the rest of the world's opinion. It's laughable to think of defeating the U.S. in combat. Our nuclear arsenal has been untouched since WWII, and of course it's grown a lot since then. If another large terrorist attack happens here... Iran had better duck. They were always more dangerous than Iraq, and we even assisted Iraq in attacking them. Note that they were mentioned in the access of evil with N. Korea even before we invaded Iraq.

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You can see that start of the Empire beginning i guess if you look closely. But read the headline news on the main page of this board "Iran testing the west!" that sounds kinda odd doesn't it? Thanks for the clarity on the whole US/Babylon thing.

Here's an interesting thought to go along with TruthStrgnrThanFiction's ideas.

References: Revelations 17
Let's say that America is the Mystery Babylon. If this was the literal Babylon it wouldn't be a mystery. So we have some sort of symbolism going on here. If you read the above mentioned verses you'll see that Mystery Babylon is represented by a woman who is riding a beast with seven heads and ten horns. She sits on may waters. (multitudes, nations and languages) This could either mean that she rules over many people or is made up of many people. You could argue the U.S. either way.

Let's say that this 10 horned beast is actually the EU. The ten horns on the beast represent 10 kings. Possibly the first 10 EU members? They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the (other)beast. Whoever this other beast is will impress them and so they will want him in control. But for now they are being ridden (controlled) by this woman.(America)

When you get to verse 16 you'll see that the 10 horned beast hates the woman, and burns her with fire and consumes her, and gives its authority to the other beast. So, the possible scenario here is the U.S. sitting on the EU, and doing as it pleases(Invading Iraq, Iran). Still, the EU hates the U.S. and decides it wants someone else in control. So they "burn her with fire". (Nuclear??)

In any event it doesn't sound good for whoever this woman is that appears to be running the show. As I said before, just because you live in the U.S. doesn't mean that you are directly involved with all the evil, but watch out for the fire when the beast decides to burn us.

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I've always interpreted that section as the 10 horns representing the 10 leaders of the NWO.

But I'm not too sure what the woman might represent. Revelations is really a very interesting book of the Bible. Good to read every so often.

I believe that 100 years from now, the invasion of Iraq may very well be viewed as the beginning of WW3. With the recent movements of world-wide military, and the nuclear violations of N. Korea and Iran, I believe that we will be soon faced with a two-front theater. The military has recently announced the recall of retired and discharged members and will soon pass a new, broadened, draft policy.

One thing that really surprized me in recent days is the statement from Putin(sp). I honestly cannot believe that the Russian President issued a statement confirming the possibility of terrorist plots from Iraq.

This is just my 2 cents. We have become the police of the planet; it would be unlikely that we would back down now.

Ryanp555 if you believe in Jesus Christ then you are saved from death.
That is you wont stay dead forever you will have eternal life. Death, where is your sting??? So regardless of where you are, you will have to face death.

The signs are all there about America. Within the next two years we will know for sure without doubt. But if things start to get really bad, your freedoms are taken away etc, and fighting breaks up amongst the rulers of your country over marshall law and other things, confusion starts to reign, I would leave America. The order of it is 1)Rumours in the land (Y2k etc)
2)Terrorist Attacks etc 3) 3rd column (ie the enemy IN AMERICA secretly waiting for the right time to attack. Its not just going to be a nuclear strike because God says he will "fill your land with people like catepillars and they will lift up a shout against you" so theres an invasion at some point, the enemy has been slipping in via immigration for many years.There may also be opportunities to leave even while America is being attacked , or a period afterwards because it also says "we could have healed babylon but she was not healed, FORSAKE HER AND EACH GO BACK TO HIS OWN LAND" So its saying go home everyone forsake this place.

TruthStrgnrThanFiction


Seems you have agenda agaisnt the United States when you interpret things.

How do you know Jesus/God is not now in fact using the US to bring down those thrones etc....

Most people don't realize than humanities actions are in fact acts of god and acts of the war of good vs evil. If you believe in God you must see that God made the US strong or at least allowed it to become so for his purpose.

Most people think miracles are lightening bolts and spell casting when in truely God works through his creations. Universe, Life all of it etc...

Stop hopeing that US is the evil and will fall cause its not. In fact it may very well be the foundation of heaven on earth.

I dont have an agenda against America. I type on an American computer via the American internet, wearing American brand label clothes, and im about to go and watch American TV shows, even though i am more than 3000 milies away from America.

That tells you TWO things. Firstly like I said I dont hate or have an agenda against America. Secondly America is the MOST POWERFUL NATION of ALL TIME. And AMERICA IS IN THE BIBLE. In Revelations, Jeremiah and Isaiah.
Trust me, I didnt wake up one morning hating America, when I read the evidence first I didnt believe it. Now I do. For one reason the war in iraqi. that is fullfillment of the prophectic book of Habbakuk. Once again America is identified (Chaldeans are the Babylonians). It is in there. Because I DO NOT HATE AMERICA , NEVER HAVE, grew up on American films, have American friends, yet do not live in America, was NOT one of the people marching against the war , and have always been pro American, I stand as a witness that even though the LAST thing I thought I would believe was judgement on America, I know believe it, it will happen, and none will stop it.

By the way, this whole thing is GODS DEAL. AMerica is a CUP IN THE LORDS HAND!! Its God through and through. Im just reading Gods Word.

TruthStrgnrThanFiction

Ok man nothing personal it just seems you place America as going down when you interpret things and I dont see it that way. I see America being part of gods plan. Americas power is there because of gods will be done. Will it fall or be the corner stone of heaven on earth? Who knows really. Bible prohecy can mean so many things or mean nothing. Either way if we get heaven then all is good and I dont care what happens at that point

I dindt mean to sound like you had anything against America just that you have a notion that America must fall and it says so in the bible when it doesn't really say America will fall. Your filling in the blanks with what you think and thats ok I tend to think the opposite though =). But anything is possible in my mind.

Too much evidence. WAY to much evidence.

It is CREEPY BEYOND my imagination, and trust me I have a werid imagination!!! Everything points to USA. Hey I dont know at what level you are coming at this and how much research you have done. But it is not just a few things. Like small things here and there. It is one after another, when they add up it fits perfectly. I mean it gets to a point where it is SO obvious it doesnt beg belief it is in plain sight. I will give you a small example. (maybe it is not that small an example if you look into it) The bible talks about a nation , which is most probably an end time nation. one of the things it points to CANNOT just apply to the ancient babylon. it is impossible. It says this nation babylon has laboured in sorcery from its youth. From its birth, from its beginning it was born in sorcery. Enter the masonic conection to America. You seen the buildings and stuff in Washington?? It makes Rome look like Disneyworld. Thats one heifty example out of many. There are so many. The rich men of the earth. they are spoken of in revelations and in OT. That they deceived the world with their sorcery. I dont understand the sorcery side to it, and I dont care to..but it is clearly speaking of MERCHANTS, businessmen. Arent American businessmen the greatest of all time?? Bill Gates has more money than 25 countrys GDP. What does that say?? His just one of millions of these Great Men or Merchants.

Like I started this reply....EVIDENCE...theres just WAY TO MUCH TO BE IGNORED!

Every time we talk about prophecy and return of Jesus I think of Matthew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour not even the angels in heaven nor the son but only the father

Thats my two cents

Yes no one knows the hour only God. And didnt Jesus say will he find faith when he comes???

The return of Jesus is a separate issue. America is in scripture.

Was going to make this a topic but thought id keep it on this thread as it is in context.

I was posting to a christian forum populated by americans about end time prophecy..posted about America being Babylon etc. That didnt seem to be a major problem untill someone raised the rapture, saying that it didnt matter about America, they would be raptured out of there anyway long before anything bad happens. Well I posted a reply about how the rapture before the tribulation is a LIE, and that 99% of Christians alive today will have to LIVE through the tribulation and DIE for their testimony in Christ. I was then booted, suspended, they have locked the thread and I cant post at all on that site anymore. If this is how ppl are when someone gives a different view, how will they react when they find out Jesus wasnt coming early, his coming when he said he is AFTER the tribulation "of those days!" and they have the choice of staying alive or getting their heads cut off based on whether they believe in Jesus???? No bull, in the years to come anyone who is a fundementalist will be in the same league as a terrorist and many christians will be killed.

Anyway I was really p issed at their attitude, anyone know anything about the rapture and the tribulation??? I know some poster posted lots of info on the rapture. There are alot waiting for pre trib which wont happen. I really believe everyone will be in the valley of decision during the great tribulation, and that the multitude in heaven are those that died for their testimony.

You have made an awesome thread, TruthStrgnrThanFiction! Although I don't really attend church that often or really read the Bible, I was raised in a Predominantly Catholic Community with a Catholic Church.

I am interested in what you are saying about the prophecies and how you have the ability to interpret those prophecies to our time. Your decoding is excellent, in my opinion.

I think it is a religious conspiracy of some sort. There are prophecies that have been made by people that have existed way before our time, from the Bible, to Idigenous People around the world.

"It was born in Sorcery". Yep, you do have those Masonic and Secret Society connections established there, and they do operate and control America and major movements around the world.

I think also that these Sorcerors who are behind America are not loyal to it, they are loyal to their wealth and money. They manipulate separate Countries into war and profit from them. They don't and will not care if America is destroyed, and they may just well be planning to have America eventually invaded by other Forces.

The 'sorcerers' and rich men of the Earth have funded with their wealth the Nazi war machine. This was when America and their allies were fighting the Nazis, and those rich men profited greatly from all that death and destruction. That proves they are not "loyal" to their Country and shows they'd be willing to bring America down, when they decide to.

Anyway, don't give up on your own revelations about what the Prophecies are telling you and express them, even in the face of those who would silence you.

Just because TruthStrgnrThanFiction says the U.S. will be destroyed, doesn't mean he is anti-American. I was born in the U.S. and even served in the armed forces for 6 years. I'm as American as you can get, but I tend to lean towards his point of view.

What major event happens in the world without the U.S. being involved? Not really much of anything. So, what we can assume is that the U.S. is either destroyed and left out of Revelation, or it is one of the Beast or the New Babylon (Which is destroyed in Revelation as well). You have to pick one of these sides. No neutral ground here. The U.S. is probably the most powerful nation ever, and attained this rank in only 200 years. This fact alone should send people scrambling to study their Bible prophecies, but many don't want to hear it. This isn't doom and gloom, he's just pointing out interesting facts.

thanks for the compliments immortal but I cannot take the credit for what I believe. All the sites I have listed, those people were posting informative articles on Americas connection to Babylon way before I even had a dial up.

The whole America thing is a mystery. Because we are all connected to it in some way. Most of the world, and especially those in the world who have any form of wealth are actually part of the entire mystery. This in itself would be the real conspiracy, how the whole world is really in fact drunk on America. Its tenticles are not in one stream, one thing only, they really are everywhere. From entertainment to food to just about everything. And God is the princple part in the entire puzzle. Because although the Devil is the ruler of the world (thats my opinon, taken from a belief that God gave him this authority for an apointed time) it even says in scripture that babylon is a cup in the LORDS hand. God himself. The Father, Creator holds babylon as a cup and passes it around the entire world, not one nation is left that hasnt had a sip of this cup. And it is brutal in its description that thererfore all have drunk of this cup and all the nations are MAD!!

All the stuff in Revelations, for it to happen , at some point there needs to be a vacuum. This is not going to be a slow transition into another form of supreme power on earth. Because although it is overlooked that really is what America is. It is the throne , the centre of power...the MAIN power of the world. Everyone else either follows or gets dealt with either in public or covertly. Now America is doing it publically, has no shame and probably will continue in this vain right up to its end. How will any beast or opposite of Christ rule or take power within the current system?? America and American Christians have always had a preoccupation with identifying the beast of Revelations, maybe subconsiouly it is because both destinies are crossed ??? If America is babylon, then the beast is the one who finally destroys it. Whoever babylon is, the Antichrist (as the person is know but is in fact only identified as the beast in revelations) is the one who removes it from being a nation let alone a world power.

But being booted straight after posting about the rapture says alot, because there are more false teachings inside modern day churchs than ever before.I angered them about America , but then when I questioned a focal point of their faith, basically being taken out of the possibility of any tribulation, they kicked me. Christianity started off with Christians being murdered purely for testifying to what they believed. That is how its going to end at the very end of the tribulation. Same thing. Nothing is new its all just running on a very very massive circuit, its the same things happening again and again, from Babylon to the end times..being a type of what it was like in Noahs time. The worst is the people who dont see it. I can understand (ive posted this before) if you dont believe in God. Then the bible means nothing to you. But it is easier to talk about things sometimes from the bible to people who have not had extensive involvment in modern day churchs than to speak to those who have served at those very same churchs (of MAN). Why is it that we end up talking about this on ats?? why dont i hear ANYTHING about end times in any church?? There are so many things that they wont mention, bring up or discuss in church, but in reality these things take less faith to believe in than the resurection of a man. But they will claim and believe in the resurection but deny everything else!! Jesus Christ did come in the flesh, was the son of God..but that is only PART of the story, the rest of it is still going on, still happening. And to understand the future you have to understand the past.

dbates knows more about babylon and america than me. his served in the armed forces of america , so his been around abit. I honestly dont hate America, but its like waking up or being jolted from a delusion. You look at everything differently.

I will still watch a Hollywood movie this weekend, and party to American music but Ill also say a pray for those in America, that they get the chance to know the truth and escape, because the American people are actually the biggest victim in the entire situation. They are so pumped with fear and bull, deceived and used, and they get it from the pulpit to the bank manager to prime time tv!