Big Brother Has Begun A Trial Run On A Small South Pacific Island

Hi Everyone! This is my first thread, so I hope you go easy on me. I don't think this has been covered yet on ATS. If it has, I'm sorry. I searched and couldn't find anything on this specific subject. So here it is.

I don't like to be told how to live. I don't like to be told to use less gas, or less electricity or especially what to eat. Well, we know what's coming don't we. Or is it already here? In many ways it's already here. In more ways than we even know. So, what are tptb up to right now? I believe they're doing trial runs in many areas of our lives: the weather, RFID chips, cameras everywhere, etc. etc.

I came across this article recently, but wasn't sure if I could begin a thread or not. Then to figure out how to do it. Here's a tidbit:

The island's 2,000 residents will be given a "carbon credit card" to present when they pay for power, petrol and food. Frugal users can trade leftover credits for cash, while those who over-consume will have to buy extra units.

Terra Daily

I think the island is Nauru. Here's a link for info. on the island...hey it's a Repubic..guess that really doesn't matter anymore..does it.

www.infoplease.com...

I found some posts here on ATS regarding the obese that I thought were quite interesting in reflecting people's attitudes toward the obese.

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And this one has somewhat of a prophetic statement made by the ATS member "saltheartfoamfollower".

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Here's the quote from saltheartfoamfollower:

Well since it is the richest countries getting fatter, I am sure that the depression is a good thing, right? This can be the new Democrat party platform. Rich countries are having problems with obesity, so we are going to make you poor. Nudge nudge. Look for taxation on things the government think are bad for you. Is this why we are seeing all these things on the MSM now? Like Marie Obama talking about having carrots with your Bic Mac? I am SO going to laugh when they start taxing these things like they tax tobacco. But, oh well, it IS GOOD FOR YOU, all these taxes I mean. edit to add-I notice this is an AP piece. Has anyone put 2 and 2 together yet on the AP? Watch for a LOT more of this type stuff to come out. Ol Cass Sunstein is ratcheting things up. You know how I would combat obesity? Take everyone off the teat of the nanny state. That might do er.

He was right on in saying, "watch for a LOT more of this type stuff to come out." Sadly, here on ATS and many other forums, the obese are singled out and insulted, criticized, and the brunt of many jokes. The ptb want to get rid of those in this world that are different, aged, disabled, gay, and obese. No different than Hitler wanting his blond, blue eyed and white nation.

We need to be against tptb in all areas in which they are out to kill us off and control us. We need to expose all their attacks and not just those that are against people we don't like either. We need to learn to love all our fellow humans. We need to wake up and realize there is one race...the human race and tptb hate us all.

Let's learn to stick up for those of us that are different IN ANY WAY. Now don't take this to some weird extreme. You know what I mean. The NWO has all it's pieces in place. They are running trial runs in many, many different areas. No one knows when the time will come, but I think most of us at ATS think something is coming soon. It may be tomorrow or it may be in another twenty years. Whenever things really take off, they will know us because we will be the ones that are showing love to each other and are not afraid of them. We will be prepared in mind, body and spirit....they will not be prepared for us. Remember the wizard is only a little old man behind the curtain. Read the article. Spend a little time thinking out how we have the power in us to overcome all their schemes. And show a little love every day. YOU can make a difference. Be Blessed. Puzzle

That is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous considering Carbon Credits have been THOROUGHLY DEBUNKED... Can't get much more debunked than the FAKED DATA being published by Hackers.

NEXT we found out that the only INCONVENIENT TRUTH AL GORE has anything to do with is his SUBSTANTIAL FINANCIAL POSITION in CARBON CREDIT schemes!!

Then we've had how many other Scientists QUIT and PUBLICLY STATE CO2 and etc is CRAP to THE PRESS...

If ANY ONE OF these things happened in the UFO field the debunker KREW would be swarming like Stink on FECES!!!

And most disturbingly after all of this our legislature has still managed to pass stuff MANDATING CARBON SCHEMES that are beyond a shadow of a doubt FRAUDULENT and even worse EXTRAORDINARILY DAMAGING to the credibility of people trying to stop the TRUE ENVIRONMENTAL threats posed by industry and it's dumping and other SERIOUS issues... Especially when us normal people are already going to be stuck paying for CAP and SCAM Bull**** that is PROVEN FAKE now!!!

And maybe that was the true purpose all along behind the whole thing was to pass some really egregiously lifestyle AFFECTING legislation that COSTS PEOPLE MONEY and is known to be an UTTER SCAM so that the REAL environmental DESTROYERS have all the ammunition they could possibly ask for in the near future when they go to fight REAL REFORMS in the works!!

Because you can believe that all you Granola Eater TYPES are SERIOUSLY out of favor right now since you GOT SUCKERED when EVERYONE TRIED TO TELL YOU it was crap...
Your movement between it's current spokespeople and this utter CLUSTER**** that we'll NEVER STOP PAYING FOR and the sheer ARROGANCE and BASELESS CONFIDENCE in one HUGE SCAM AFTER another while insisting we were all blind and stupid and earth killers....

Yeah GOOD ONE GUYS... here's an idea quit acting superior start ACTUALLY DOING YOUR RESEARCH and Don't listen to THE SIERRA CLUB or it's IDIOT hollywood A Holes that encourage everyone but themselves to live like PEASANTS so they can live in luxury...

Your first clue should have been when there were more PRIVATE JETS being chartered for your average climate SUMMIT than for a G20 MEETING... LOL yeah you listened to them !!

As the bully kid from the simpsons says HA HA!!!

MORONS

p.s so the temperatures are up on EVERY OTHER PLANET AND MOON IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM... Who is POLLUTING THOSE PLANETS?

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Don't know much about Terra Daily but, the article looked legit. I am NOT at all suprised by this. Good find and worth the read. I believe you are right and this is a way to ease into it globally. Great post ! PEACE

The article is legit, just found an interesting article in THE AUSTRALIAN,and here are a couple of quotes.

Under the plan-due to go into operation next year headed by professor of lifestyle medicine Garry Egger, the 1800 permanent residents of Norfolk Island will each receive an annual allocation of carbon credits

Professor Egger insists his scheme will be voluntary and could provide islanders with cash for unused carbon credits

"We are not trying to impose ourselves on anybody out there," he said

To begin: I am not a true believer. Climate changes may be occurring, and maybe our carbon contributions are having some effect above and beyond natures cycles. I do not believe that mankind "tipped the balance" at all.

I can't stand carbon credits, a la Al Gore. Its a scam to make some rich, while transferring wealth away from the dominant world powers into the hands of unstable third world countries.

BUT that being said, there is nothing wrong with us reducing our consumption of energy and goods. We need to look in the mirror at our lifestlye and eating habits. In America in particular, we don't need these monster sized houses for 2.5 kids and us. We don't need to eat meat every single meal. We don't need all that disposable plastic crap we buy.

I think this personal carbon credit idea isn't really horrible. In its current form, it rewards those who conserve without penalizing those who do not. And with a cash incentive, it would encourage personal energy consumption changes.
I know if it meant an extra $50 in my pocket per month (on top of bill savings), I'd be much more vigilant at turning off each and every light, turning the heater down a notch, etc.

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What gets me most is the commentators ' "It's quite fun because they can actually make a bit of money while they are out there if they do the right thing."

Right thing? Says whom?

Who decides 'right thing'? some piddly pissant from canberra? a commune of elderly micromanagers?
The banks or the stores? eco politics?

If it was communisim dictating this..people would be screaming and up in arms about it! Just because its eco politics means very little as its still state control!

I decide what is right for me today...and I define "right for me" on a daily basis according to my needs an conscience.

I find it unbelievable that no one has jumped on this as an economic/financial enslavement of individuals to political creedo's...creedos that will change as frequently as the weather.

There is enough guilt shame and hardship in the world without the well intentioned creating more. Tehy say its volluntary...but that's historically alwasy been a - ' for now' issue.


good pick up OP

Rosha.

Originally posted by HEREFORD 1969
The article is legit, just found an interesting article in THE AUSTRALIAN,and here are a couple of quotes.

Under the plan-due to go into operation next year headed by professor of lifestyle medicine Garry Egger, the 1800 permanent residents of Norfolk Island will each receive an annual allocation of carbon credits

Professor Egger insists his scheme will be voluntary and could provide islanders with cash for unused carbon credits

"We are not trying to impose ourselves on anybody out there," he said

edit on 7-11-2010 by HEREFORD 1969 because: (no reason given)

So *everyone* on the island gets a card..but its voluntary? lol.

Way to put peer pressure to the test.....and a good insight into how many of you will be scr*e*wed into accepting enslaveent the coming years...

The same kind of "use your peers against you" and tptb's reliance on human vanity for social enslavement thing worked in Baha too.



shakes head...I dunno...where are we going and who's handbasket are we in?


Rosha

Originally posted by blamethegreys
To begin: I am not a true believer. Climate changes may be occurring, and maybe our carbon contributions are having some effect above and beyond natures cycles. I do not believe that mankind "tipped the balance" at all.

I can't stand carbon credits, a la Al Gore. Its a scam to make some rich, while transferring wealth away from the dominant world powers into the hands of unstable third world countries.

BUT that being said, there is nothing wrong with us reducing our consumption of energy and goods. We need to look in the mirror at our lifestlye and eating habits. In America in particular, we don't need these monster sized houses for 2.5 kids and us. We don't need to eat meat every single meal. We don't need all that disposable plastic crap we buy.

I think this personal carbon credit idea isn't really horrible. In its current form, it rewards those who conserve without penalizing those who do not. And with a cash incentive, it would encourage personal energy consumption changes.
I know if it meant an extra $50 in my pocket per month (on top of bill savings), I'd be much more vigilant at turning off each and every light, turning the heater down a notch, etc.

edit on 7-11-2010 by blamethegreys because: because clarity is next to godliness.

Maybe I shouldn't have used heat or gas as examples. Poor choice there since I keep my heat at 68 in the winter and I don't have air conditioning and no fan for the summer. I conserve because of the cost and as for gasoline usage, there are so many reasons to conserve there other than just the cost, I don't think I need to put the reasons. As for plastic, I hate plastic.I'm sick of all the plastic in this world. I rewash plastic storage/freezer bags several times. I don't use plastic in the microwave..AT ALL. I try to buy food that's in glass or cardboard vs plastic. I don't use any plastic dishes or glasses. I I don't like using aluminum foil for cooking either. t's all personal preference.
It's the carbon thing that really bugs me...the global warming bs. I'm just big on freedom and liberty and accepting people for who they are and not judging others when non of us are perfect. I could use a lot of work myself in many areas. But, I know my faults and I'm doing my best to be a good person and not hurt others or the Earth. I have conviction when I drive a polluting car and other things that I know aren't good for the planet. Most people have self conviction. They know when they're doing something they shouldn't probably be doing. It can hurt a person to tell them what's wrong with them. Then often the offended replaces that hurt with anger. Even if I disagree with what another chooses to believe about God, or how much energy they consume or maybe they leave the water running while they brush their teeth, it's their choice to do those things.

It's just when the government steps in with their lies to force us into their "ONE" World, One everything plan. We're not all alike. We are all different. And that's okay. IMHO. The best way to change another person is by changing one's self.

Sorry for the run on. Don't mean to get off topic either. I just didn't think this thread would bring out so much anger in some. That is just what tptb want...fear and anger. Anyway, ;thank you for your reply. I'm open to learning all I can this time around. Puzzle

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Thank you so-ooo much for the reply. I appreciate the correction on what island this was about. So it's Norfolk. Thanks. As for the voluntary part, I also read that any visitors to the island will have to use the carbon credit card. So, it may be voluntary for residents, but it doesn't sound voluntary for all. Even if it is voluntary, it's a way for tptb to ease themselves into people's lives and get them used to being controlled. It's the old story of the frog in the pot of water. Turn the heat up gradually, then before he knows it, he's cooked. They make it sound good by telling them if they do what they're told, they will be rewarded with more "money" to spend. It's just another trick. Trust your government...they're your friends and they know what's best for you...agghh. BS

How about not giving kids a toy in their Kid's Meal at McDonalds? It's the parents place to decide what a child eats. I don't eat at McDonald's and if I had kids I wouldn't take them there either. But, that's me. It's not up to the government or others to decide what another persons kids should eat. Taking a kid to McDonald's once in awhile isn't going to kill the kid and if it's because they get a little prize/toy so let the kid have a little toy. It's up to the parent. No one else has the right to decide what is right for their kids.( I know there are some circumstances the parents may not be responsible enough to decide things for their children) I know I can be opinionated on this, but like I said, I'm just big on freedom to choose and down on making everyone equal like in the movie Harrison Bergeron with Sean Astin. Here's some info. on San Francisco and the McD's issue.

Linky

I was going to include this when I first started the thread, but changed my mind for various reasons. Thanks again for the information you added to the thread. I'll take all the help I can get... Puzzle

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I'm not sure who this is directed at...me or the ptb or ?

Yeah GOOD ONE GUYS... here's an idea quit acting superior start ACTUALLY DOING YOUR RESEARCH and Don't listen to THE SIERRA CLUB or it's IDIOT hollywood A Holes that encourage everyone but themselves to live like PEASANTS so they can live in luxury... Your first clue should have been when there were more PRIVATE JETS being chartered for your average climate SUMMIT than for a G20 MEETING... LOL yeah you listened to them !!

I'm sorry if this thread ruffled your feathers....so to say. I can only hope you're not angry with me. You say, "Your first clue...".....? Me or someone else?

I just wanted to post something that would show how tptb are making trial runs in another area of our lives. And hopefully to get across a message of love and acceptance of one another, which is completely the opposite of what "they" want. The more we become aware of their schemes, the more we can resist. Again, I'm sorry if I upset you in any way. It was not my intention. Thanks for the reply. I only hope I'm taking it the way it was meant. Puzzle

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Thank you for the kind words. I've never posted anything before on a forum, so I don't expect to have been exact in everything I posted. Just trying to help make someone out there aware of the schemes of tptb and spread a little message of love and acceptance of one another. Tptb want us angry and in fear. So, I thought I'd suggest a little of the opposite to kinda' tick them off. And Peace to you.....Puzzle

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That was really hard to read................

and I'm not quite sure what you were tryin to say

sry I really am

reply to post by Rosha
?Thanks for saying what I didn't know how to say:

So *everyone* on the island gets a card..but its voluntary? lol. Way to put peer pressure to the test.....and a good insight into how many of you will be scr*e*wed into accepting enslavement the coming years... The same kind of "use your peers against you" and tptb's reliance on human vanity for social enslavement thing worked in Baha too.

You're exactly right!!! The "using your peers against you" is so well said. With your help and some others, maybe I'll get across what I wanted to say. I'm just learning this forum thing...just one more experience in life. Blessings to you and yours, Puzzle Oh, could you enlighten me on the Baha thing? It's hard keeping up on everything...

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That was really hard to read................ and I'm not quite sure what you were tryin to say

Thanks for letting me know it's not just me.. Puzzle

Well now everyone knows that it was only a matter of time that we would be charged for the air that we breath....we pay for the food we eat....damn we need it to live
we pay for the water we drink...hmmm another thing we NEED to live
so why not pay for the air that we breath ...seems like a reasonable request to me...but Hey we can't call it a breathing tax now could we...we would need to come up with some other lame brained scam and call it ...Hey i know Carbon Credits.....now that sounds like something the sheep will accept...and then we will tell them...the masses the public the peoples...it is to save the Earth.
well it is great isn't it....We now have the total control that we have desured and you the public will learn to accept it....i mean who is going to stand up and fight for what's right....certanly not the people...they are dumb and they will do as they are told.
they cannot see past their own little countries...we have trained them so well...we have taught them to fear the differences in people...we have taught them to consume...we have given them toys to desire(pacifiers).
we have taught them to shut up and listen and be be good little children and have taught them that we are their carers and we only want them to have safe little lives.
we have taught them to separate themselves as individuals so that they have no real powers as what can one man do.
there is no one that can any longer lead the masses and there is no one to rebel as we have beaten that out of them.
We have won...We have created our perfect little slaves and we have made them into the sheep they are.
They are now our servants and we can now tell them that they will have to pay to S(*^...OH we already do that....Damn
What will we do next....oh yes...We will tell them that the world can no longer sustain the developing human race and it would be an Honorable thing if people would just stop breathing so that the Elite can live.
That would be the ultimate honor to sacrifice yourself for the ones who take care of us all.
So i ask of you all...just hold your breath cause you can no longer afford the air you breath and that life is only for the rich and the wealthy and that you should be good little slaves and give us our airspace....so now you understand the reason for the introduction of Carbon Credit scheme...why not just make it easy on the rest of the deserving public and kill yourselves for the betterment of makind.
And if that does not work...then we will soon create a war that will make you want to go into battle and we will lesson the population by those means.
Want some good news now.
THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH.

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Well now everyone knows that it was only a matter of time that we would be charged for the air that we breath....we pay for the food we eat....damn we need it to live we pay for the water we drink...hmmm another thing we NEED to live so why not pay for the air that we breath ...seems like a reasonable request to me...but Hey we can't call it a breathing tax now could we...we would need to come up with some other lame brained scam and call it ...Hey i know Carbon Credits

You kinda' hit on one of my pet peeves. Everytime I have to pay $1.00 to put air in my tires it really ticks me off. What a scam. It may not be for the air we breath "yet", but it's close. Actually, paying for air/oxygen we breath is already happening...in LA, Las Vegas, Denver, and all over the country. I suppose they're selling oxygen in other countries by now too. Check this out: (I know it's old news to some, but to others it may be new)



Peach air.............


Who knows what someone will come up with next. Something to go along with taking a trip into space???

Funny thought... the more the mass population acts like a herd of sheep, the more we will be treated like a herd of sheep, this is becoming more and more evident as time moves on. If we extrapolate this trend where does that leave us? Think of how much freedom the early explorers of america had, and now the rich-poor gap has made us average and poor families confined to a dull daily routine while the very few rich keep getting richer off of us!

Here's how I feel about the following two concepts:

1. Big Brother a.k.a. totalitarianism a.k.a. any form that fascism may take: It's not good because it centralizes authority into the top tier of a two-tiered hierarchy, socializing the poverty among an underprivaledged class - which inevitably fights the wars, labors the hardest and suffers through the most misery.
   
2. Environmentalism a.k.a. sustainability a.k.a. green-living: It's a good thing because it's the only thing. Specifically the term "sustainability". That's all there is folks. Sustainability means the ability to be sustained or keep a balance. In Goldie Locks terms, we could say "the porrage that's just right." It's what every other species does that is not overrun (because of our tampering) or dying out (because of our tampering). I have not come to any absolute opinion on Human culture and Sustainability; I have to assume that they can work in concert, but not the way we're doing it.
   

My reason for pointing this out is because I can see all of your points regarding Big Brother. I can also see how the green movement requires a level of moderation not currently adhered to voluntarily or instinctually by humans in general nowadays. Thus, the level of control required for the green movement is something that I totally get. Mind you, I mean the rationale behind it. However, I have to say that the current way humans act and manipulate power structures in more and more centralized and homogeneous ways makes me see the potential snowball effect. Such a control as that required by the green movement in the hands of today's government does not have a happy outlook from either the individualist in me, the compassionate in me, or the environmentalist in me.

Look at how major corporations respond to the green movement. Ok, great, you made a water bottle out of 30% less plastic, but you're corporate approach ignores the basic issue and focuses on an overly-hyped, green-washed message that you the consumer are being more "environmentally-conscious" by drinking that water. Nobody ever stops to think that we don't travel distances that require taking water with us - something our ancestors did when they left the immediate vecinity of their community. They knew where the sources of potable water were. And if they traveled far, they had a reusable canteen or leather drinking pouch. There was no waste. How far do most of us really travel in our car on a daily basis unless we drive a truck or bus? For those of us who travel far, is having a refillable container (which lowers cost for everything, including all the money you currently pay for packaging and bottling) really that bad? It's not that you should be prevented from buying and doing what you want...My point is that plastic shouldn't be an option in the first place, considing its very existence in the first place is a hallmark of the corporate-run state we've been living under for a while now.

Oh! A biodegradable bag for chips. The corporation has now just latched on to the already over-burdening monocultures of industrialized farming, with all its externalized costs (neither you nor the corporation pays for the problems in terms of money, but both pay in terms of quality of life and sustainability). So, the bag is diverting soy, corn, or sugarcane from the market to reorganize its molecular structure and create plastic-like bags. Maybe the fact that potato chips are not 1, eaten on premises where they were made, from scratch, or 2, you made it from real potatoes at home. Cause I can guarantee that in sustainable societies, you eat what's near you.

So, my bottom line here is that "environmentalism" both as interpreted by the modern consumer economy and as it is being implemented through a method of control that works for an end that it is inevitably subverting and distroying (the environment itself) is not what it really means. I'm an "environmentalist" and I hope I have made my point of view clear to those of you always quick to dismiss the core concepts of sustainability in favor of focusing on the loaded language that "Global Warming" or "Environmentalism" have in today's biased, centralized media. Sustainability is all there is, whether by God, Nature or a combo of the two (whatever your personal worldview may be). It is the inherent way of things on this planet. Period. So, don't disgard the right parts of environmentalism because of the flawed implementation of it.

I believe we can do better to stop pollution, but that in general humans are not significant enough to contribute to global warming. It is a natural, and not man-made occurrence in my opinion. How many cars and factories were around during the previous ice ages? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?