Sources to 'prophets'

There are lots of prophets who have made lots of prophecies. Nostradamus for example. But how do they get these prophecies? Perhaps some devil or demon. What do you think?

The devil can not tell the future, psychics can NOT tell the future, only God knows the future...

intoxication and meditation are usually the gateway to the source, but the source itself, well...
maybe just from your local library?

Meditation or a ritual I would assume but Nostradamus wasn't a very good prophet. Most predictions are so vague that you can apply it to multiple disasters and it would still match in a way. I can say the Earth will shake as people hold their hands to the sky and cry out while the government flies over head watching the aftershocks. That could apply anywhere at any time and match perfectly.

Originally posted by thecinic
The devil can not tell the future, psychics can NOT tell the future, only God knows the future...

So does Monty Blackmore on the 2'n planet of the binary star system in the salean galaxy.

But little good it does anyone, since no one can find him.

Come to think of it, I'm not even sure he exists...........

Originally posted by thecinic
The devil can not tell the future, psychics can NOT tell the future, only God knows the future...

Oh really? so i guess all the experiments in precognitive function in the brain is bunk now.(these test are not prophecy but it had been shown that people react to certain stimuli a few nanosecs before it happens).

So that being said, and not trying to be rude, but do some research before you just spit out religious dogma on a whim.

Originally posted by whynow
Meditation or a ritual I would assume but Nostradamus wasn't a very good prophet. Most predictions are so vague that you can apply it to multiple disasters and it would still match in a way. I can say the Earth will shake as people hold their hands to the sky and cry out while the government flies over head watching the aftershocks. That could apply anywhere at any time and match perfectly.

You should do a career-change

I believe in the god of Noah and Mozes. He also (drums please) prophecyzed in the bible about the coming of "false prophets". The only conclusion I can draw is that these seeërs are somehow connected to Satan and his army of demons. These guys specialize mainly in influencing and "guiding" us. I dont think its a feat beyond their ability to have a person, who actually needs to be practicing anything related to the paranormal, hand out a pretty decent "prophecy" in order to confuse and misguide the masses.
Anyway thats how I learned it

See my avatar.

Generally speaking though, it's idiocy.

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Why does it need to be the Devil, or some demon? Their are plenty of prophets in the Old Testament who supposedly spoke the Word of God. In the New Testament, Jesus Christ is also a prophet speaking the words of His Father, God. Christian theology and literature is rife with prophets. The implication that prophecies of other, non-Christian, prophets are inspired by the Devil or demons also comes from Christian theology and literature.

In Greek mythology the "blind prophet", who loses natural sight but gains second sight, was quite common. Most deities had their own prophet, sometimes called a seer or an oracle, who resided in a particular temple dedicated to them. These individuals were said to be both blessed, and cursed, by the gods at the same time. Sibyl, Cassandra, and the line of Oracles at Delphi, are among the numerous Greek soothsayers.

In Egyptian mythology the scribe Ani is one of the prophets who has the ability to see the future. In particular, Ani was allowed to see the Egyptian afterlife, and wrote extensively about what he had seen and experienced, which all future Egyptians would have to encounter and endure post-physical death. Egyptian prophets also tend to fall in line with other common divination: dream interpretation, curing and healing.

It is primarily in the Judeo-Christian faith where "demons" and other vile, evil beings are given the power of prophecy and foresight. This is, of course, mainly because the Christian missionaries and evangelicals needed a way to counteract the cultural gods and religions that they encountered as Catholicism spread it's influence through Rome and across Europe. If the local pagans, or polytheists resisted the message of Jesus then the missionary would simply imply that the chief deity, or local prophet was in league with the Christian Devil.

All religions have prophets and soothsayers. It is the Christian religion that claims any non-Christian ones get their divine inspiration from the Devil.



The source though, that is something different.

Some on this thread have already suggested that all prophecy is bunk and just guess-work. That's fine, such is one possible explanation. I consider most mainstream prophets who are widely known (like Nostradamus) to fall into this category. Others' have suggested it is from God that prophecy springs. Mythology definitely supports this theory. Apollo, from Greek mythology, was quite philanthropic in his exploits of handing out the gift of foresight. Most Judeo-Christian prophets also tend to have a vision, or interaction with Yahweh before they spill their prophecy to the masses.

My personal belief is that "prophecy" (or what I sometimes call precognition) is none of the above. Instead I think it is an evolutionary genetic advancement, or throwback. In human evolution our bodies have adapted to do some interesting things, while losing the ability for others. Our sensory organs, perception organs, and consciousness itself are all still developing significantly. I believe that prophecy is just someone who's sense of awareness and emotional/chemical connection to their fellow human is more heightened than the rest of us. The people whom I know who possess the gift of second-sight do not get worldwide natural disasters in their forecasts unless they themselves, or someone they love deeply, is going to be involved in the disaster.

That is just my opinion on the matter though.

~ Wandering Scribe

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The b'ible describes quite clearly some standards a "true seeër" should show.
If you're interested i'd refer you to Acts 16:16-19. This deals with an instance where a succesfull seeër was encountered. Those things find their origin with demonic powers.

A prophet is a person who speaks for God. There is only one God, Yahweh, our Creator.

2 Peter 1:21 because no prophecy ever came by the will of man; instead, moved by the Holy Spirit, men spoke from God.

So if the prophet is not speaking for Yahweh, they are a false prophet. Therefore the source of what they're saying could be anything from their own inner desires and thoughts to demons or converts.

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Hello Faceoff85,

I was hoping to avoid theological debates here, but, seeing as you're toting the Bible, I'm going to have to ask you to support the claim that the Bible is the be-all, end-all informative guide on spiritual, and religious phenomenon. Religious doctrine from the world over—the Bible, the Enuma Elish, the Torah, the Bhagavad Gita, the Vedas, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, and numerous others—all have explanations for seers, oracles, prophets, and those blessed/cursed with the second-sight.

That being the case, you have three possible options:

(1) accept what all of the world's religious tomes say about prophets
(2) accept what a specific religious tome says about prophets
(3) take into account religious tomes, but also look into science for explanations

If we choose option (1) then alright. Now we must reconcile Greece's belief that multiple gods cursed/blessed individuals with prophecy out of spite/love, with the Bible's belief that prophecy comes from divine communion and communication with God, with belief of other cultures where prophets are the offspring of spiritual births, etc. Can you reconcile all of the world's religious institutions, while preserving the nature of the prophet?

If we choose option (2) then a larger feat falls on our shoulders: proving beyond all doubt that one specific religious doctrine is the only right, and true, account of prophets. Such a proof could not come from the religious tome itself, this is called Circular Reasoning and is a philosophic and logical fallacy. So you could not quote the Bible to prove the Bible. Instead, you would need to find external historical, scientific, biological, anthropological, and cultural evidence to support a specific religious scriptures viewpoints. This evidence must then prove beyond a doubt that all other religious doctrine is wrong. Can you do this?

Finally, if we choose option (3) then we can safely account for demonic and angelic and divine prophecy. While also taking into account all of the world's cultural prophets, while simultaneously looking into the human genome and biology to try and find some kind of genetic explanation for why certain individuals are predisposed to prophecy, while others never once in their entire lives feel a stirring in their bones. While I cannot do this right now, I can safely say out of all three options this is the only feasible one.



So yes, Acts may have some scriptural verses about prophecy and how the Christian religion says all non-Christian prophets are of the Devil and demons. The Christian and Jewish religions are both rife with prophecies. However, they themselves, when gifted by God, are not always right either. One of the many prophecies of Jesus was that he would return for the End Times during the lifetime of many who were witness to his appearance after the resurrection. The End Times did not occur in the life of the 11 Apostles and 1 traitor.

Additionally, all Greek prophets clearly define their source: most commonly the sun-god Apollo, occasionally Zeus, Hera, or a birth via Titans. Their gifts of prophecy sometimes can cause rejoicing, healing, and beneficial things to occur: like at Delphi. On the other hand, if the gods are angered when bestowing the second-sight then the gift becomes a curse, like Cassandra who was gifted with knowledge of how the Trojan War would end, but was cursed that no one would believe her.

Further, in Shamanism a prophet may be either a blessing, or a curse, depending on what his/her first vision is. A good prophet in Shamanism receives his/her visions from the beneficial, rejuvenating spirits of the Earth. A wayward prophet in Shamanism is forever tormented by the Tricksters and mischievous spirits of the Earth. The Shaman then lives outside of the community and interacts with fellow humans only in times of crisis. So whether demonic, or beneficial has no merit since the prophet does nothing to sway humans one way or the other.



Prophecy is about a lot more than just talking with God/gods. Prophecy has so many more layers, and it is unfortunate that people so often see it as black-or-white, God or the Devil. The world is full of shades of gray, and prophecy is a condition of the world. Likewise, it too has many shades of gray.

~ Wandering Scribe

Originally posted by thecinic
The devil can not tell the future, psychics can NOT tell the future, only God knows the future...

Not getting in an argument God can, or does exist or not

The devil has no need to know the future to tell you the future, he just tells you what you want to hear to get what he want right?

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The Greek prophets beg to disagree. They rejected your Christ and His missionaries because they realized he was just a plagiarized literary allegory to their existent gods; specifically solar messiahs like Apollo, Mithra, and the like. So, can you convince the faithful Greek pagans without using your Bible that all prophecy not spoken for Yahweh is of the Devil?

Perhaps you could point out how Cassandra's prophecies—warning about the threat posed by the Trojan Horse—was of the Devil? Clearly has her prophecy been paid attention to then the Trojan Horse would never have succeeded and Ilium would not have fallen. Does this mean that Yahweh is one of the Greek gods since the prophecy of an enemy was ignored?

You see, when you realize the Bible is just another book, prophecy takes on a whole new meaning. There is so much more to prophecy then just a couple of Bible verses. I completely understand if you're too afraid to study things outside of your faith, but I would hope you're not so unenlightened as to think the only religion in the entire world is Christianity.

~ Wandering Scribe

Originally posted by RimDaas
There are lots of prophets who have made lots of prophecies. Nostradamus for example. But how do they get these prophecies? Perhaps some devil or demon. What do you think?

I can't speak for Nostradamus, or any other "prophet". I can only speak for me.

Insight and information comes to me when I least expect it. Sometimes in rare dreams do I get shown things to come that do and have happened. Other times I get a pressure on my forehead like it is being tugged on and when I calm myself, close the eyes, the information rolls like a movie in my mind.

At other times it places me inside the scenario so that I get to experience it directly. And some other times I am "hit" with Light that contains information and visuals.

I had to learn to accept these things when they happened to me from a very young age because each time the information/movie/insight came to be in the world. Sometimes it would an instant thing....

Example: at 17 travelling back to my place on a bus and with eyes closed "seeing" my room.. "being" in the room and finding a note on my bed signed by my father telling me about my mother's heart attack...... with my track record I was understandably upset by this and hoped it was wrong. No.. when I did open my door and walk in there was a note from Dad telling me about Mum's heart attack.

Hence why I trust that when I am shown something it will happen.

My problem lay with telling others about it, as I refuse the mindlessness of people who discover a person like myself.. one of many.. so that they then want to know the answer to all their questions, etc, without doing what they can to find their own answers inside themselves.

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I know about Jesus and Noah etc. They all get their prophecies from god. But I have heard tales about people getting powers by orshipping devils, demons and other creatures. Could they get this divination from the demons they worship?

reply to post by RimDaas


That depends on the sources you choose to utilize. According to the medieval grimoire called the Goetia, one of the Lesser Keys of Solomon the King, there are numerous demons, and spirits, capable of prophecy:

• Vassago: a mighty Prince, able to declare all things past, and to come.
• Amon: a powerful Marquis, able to tell truthfully all things past, and to come.
• Gusion: a strong Duke, who can answer any question about the past, or future.
• Eligos: a great Duke, who knows all things to come.
• Botis: a President and Earl, who can tell you how relationships and friendships will be.
• Purson: a great King, who can reveal the answer to any question posed.

Those are just a small selection of one grimoires collection of prophetic "spirits" or "demons" which a competent magician is said to be able to summon and bend to his/her will.

Now, I've never tried any of this, being that I have no desire to summon spirits to learn about tomorrow's weather... but, if you accept that Noah and Moses and Jesus and a host of other humans gained incite from God and God's charges (the angels), then you have to accept that certain Fallen Angels—Lucifer, Abbadona, Sammael, Azazel, Beelzebub, etc—would also be capable of these feats. Having Fallen, they simply gave such capabilities to the opposite side of the fence too.

On the side of Heaven you have Yahweh, Metatron, Michael, Uriel, Gabriel, Raphael... On the side of Hell you have Lucifer, Beelzebub, Azazel, Belial, Mammon, Sammael... That is, of course, if you close your mind and believe that prophecy is a strictly Christian concept (which it is not).

If you open your mind (by reading and studying the vast multitudes of faiths present on our planet) then you'll find that prophecy comes from all over in the world:

• From Yahweh, His host of Heaven, Lucifer, and the dregs of Hell.
• From Cronus, the Titans, Zeus, the other Olympians, and their children.
• From spirits and ancestors of humans
• From Tricksters and Spirit Guides
• From astrological, astronomical, and geological sources
• From evolutionary genetics, and biological processes
• From paying attention to trends and patterns in cultural changes

And dozens of other places too.

Can God do it? Sure.
Can the gods of polytheistic peoples do it? Yeah.
Can Angels, Fallen or otherwise do it? Certainly.
Can the ancestral spirits of tribal peoples do it? Definitely.
Can a really observant and intelligent human do it? Absolutely.
Can an average guy with some exemplary luck do it? To an extent.
Can a psychic do it? Yes.

Prophecy is everywhere.
No single being, religion, faith, or scripture can claim it.
It belongs to the world, and the world lays claim to it.

~ Wandering Scribe

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I'm sorry to have dissapointed you with my use of scriptures. I was merely adressing the OP and adding my personal POV with the intention of putting it up for debate.

I agree with you that circulair reasoning isn't going to convince a whole lot of people... But I noticed that you portray some form of faith when it comes to the reality of a spiritual dimension around us. I guess this is a good starting point since its my understanding that science has yet to acknowledge and/or explain these phenomena... How then could we use science as a means of understanding whatever it is that is causing these phenomena?

Another dillema is presented when you opt for taking into account ALL the different viewpoints wich have been jotted down over time... logically these viewpoints differ greatly as all of them have been written down by the hands of men, who have all had a different experience in dealing with the unseen. I believe the answer to your question requires a lifetime of study and even then people cant come up with anything conclusive.

So using this reasoning to cast aside science as a means to explain these things, and realising that all the books written on the subject were infact written by man there is just 1 path left to take when trying to find an answer, being: Logical deduction. Personally i'd first try to sniff out the book wich is oldest in this array of available books. Next would be to check for facts contained in the written works.

I believe you get the idea of where i'm going with this. I have rephrained from using scriptures to build my case for the very reason presented in your own post. But it is my firm belief that there is absolutely NOTHING tangible one can present as evidence to explain where these phenomena find their origin. Again this was the reason I decided to put my 2 cents in.
The only thing I ever really learned about this subject is to steer clear of it with a warning on the side that mingling with the unseen will in one way or another be nothing but degrading to one's quality of life.

The End Times did not occur in the life of the 11 Apostles and 1 traitor.

There is actually a very satisfactory explanation for this supossed inconsistency. It would take me a good deal of reading up on it so if you are earnestly interested in a different explanation for this please ask. otherwise I wont bother. Suffice to say that I can proof, using circulair reasoning, that this prophecy has yet come to pass within a maximum of 2 human generations counting from 1914.

Did you just say Nostradamus? Did I hear you correctly? He is a fraud.
Check this link out and then try to prove me wrong.
listverse.com... ked/

Originally posted by RimDaas
There are lots of prophets who have made lots of prophecies. Nostradamus for example. But how do they get these prophecies? Perhaps some devil or demon. What do you think?

I would term Gerald Celente as a prophet , with his forecasts:

.Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
"Those who take their predictions seriously ... consider the Trends Research Institute." — The Wall Street Journal "Gerald Celente is always ahead of the ...

how do some seers, predictions, prophets get their visions/intuitions/forecasts... I'd suggest

sometimes its living in gaseous caves like the "Sybil", but its (the source) always associated
with a connection to non-ordinary reality... be it trance, occult ritual, being immersed in future
mindsets and extrapolating trends from mundane facts that many others overlook....
mentally creating models of a probable future in either a macro-model or a micro-model sense.



in the strict sense 'prophets' are people who are inspired by their religious self to warn others of
impending dire consequences ...if that present social order continues on its path.