Ghost from Valentown Museum

I happened to catch this video Im going to present on the show Fact or Faked the other night. Obviously if they could have debunked it, I wouldn't be posting it. Well they sure tried. They tried using reflection, they tried using projection, they tried it in quite a few ways. Though a couple things kind of came close, they could never actually get it 100%.

So, I thought I'd see if you fine folks could maybe figure it out. Like I mentioned above, we can pretty much rule out reflection and projection as it has all ready been tried. What else could it be besides maybe the real thing?

This is footage from the Valentown Museum.



In case you would like to see what the crew from Fact or Faked did to try and debunk it, you can see that here:

I watched this and wasn't really impressed. My problem with it is that the camera they were using vs. the original footage was of much greater quality. I find it problematic that they failed to even mention the difference in clarity, brightness & contrast in the two videos. To me, that plays a huge part when trying to recreate footage.

It could have been a person out of focus or a reflection in my opinion but their camera was much higher quality and obviously the footage looks way better.

I liked the EVP's they got more than the footage they were trying to debunk

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Yeah those were pretty cool too! Glad someone else watched it. Im still not convinced the part 2 of the show was balloons in a bag, but who knows!

The first video looks like my dead ex.. valentina spooooky

Originally posted by onehuman
I happened to catch this video Im going to present on the show Fact or Faked the other night. Obviously if they could have debunked it, I wouldn't be posting it. Well they sure tried. They tried using reflection, they tried using projection, they tried it in quite a few ways. Though a couple things kind of came close, they could never actually get it 100%.

So, I thought I'd see if you fine folks could maybe figure it out. Like I mentioned above, we can pretty much rule out reflection and projection as it has all ready been tried. What else could it be besides maybe the real thing?

This is footage from the Valentown Museum.

In case you would like to see what the crew from Fact or Faked did to try and debunk it, you can see that here:

edit on 6-11-2010 by onehuman because: (no reason given)

SNAP SNAP SNAP!! I was going to do this, but I reconsidered at the last moment.

The flying human segment was also relatively well considered too, despite the final result being less than true to the original, it has it's merit!

Damn, I need to stop second guessing myself I suppose

I do get the impression that there was a fair amount of imposed 'seriousness' with the ghostly part, an obligatory "Im a sceptic, but I have no idea what is going on" type of situations in a paid show leave me slightly dubious.

But you are right, they did not outright debunk nor confirm.. I was surprised by this!

Originally posted by onehuman
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Yeah those were pretty cool too! Glad someone else watched it. Im still not convinced the part 2 of the show was balloons in a bag, but who knows!

What I liked about that was they at least tried to replicate it. In my opinion, the person on the pully was not a match, but then why not balloons on a pulley system, the mechanical RC plane components would still not have given the object the perfect stability the original footage had.

I give it a thumbs up for the trying to replicate things and not just house sitting in a so called haunted house and going "Omg omg omg did you see that!" every 5 seconds as these shows usually do.

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lol I know what you mean about second guessing, I've done it many times! Actually apart from the first clip above, I did find the musical instruments playing intriguing too. The fact they heard a stringed instrument play with no strings was kinda cool.

I agree they didnt really settle the flying witch that well either. I mean it did kind of look like the balloon thing but not really. hmmm...

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That was cool.

If i had to choose a fake method then reflection would be what id put my money on. As has been mentioned, the difference in camera quality hinders the experiment a bit.

Ive been trying to think of ways the piano could have played by itself. A part from a crew member doing it on purpose which is always where my sceptical mind wanders on TV shows like this. The only thing i could think of is the tensile strings that allow the keys to play a tune may have gave a little due to moisture or heat level changes. Although i dont know how you could prove or debunk that either way.

Untill the footage gets disproven im saying its real personaly, it came from a paranormal research team, who i doubt would risk their credibility faking a vid, but then you never know,.

Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by KrypticCriminal
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Ive been trying to think of ways the piano could have played by itself. A part from a crew member doing it on purpose which is always where my sceptical mind wanders on TV shows like this. The only thing i could think of is the tensile strings that allow the keys to play a tune may have gave a little due to moisture or heat level changes. Although i dont know how you could prove or debunk that either way.

Untill the footage gets disproven im saying its real personaly, it came from a paranormal research team, who i doubt would risk their credibility faking a vid, but then you never know,.

Thanks for posting.

edit on 6/11/10 by KrypticCriminal because: (no reason given)

This will probably sound a little odd, but I used to own a bar and one of our patrons passed away. We bought the piano she had in her house that she always used to play at parties there or whatever.
The piano used to start playing at night after the bar closed and the bartenders were cleaning up. It wasnt a old piano either. The bartenders freaked at first, but then they kind of got used to it, as much as one can, and just tried to think it was the former owner playing it.

As far as the stringed instrument, how does that play with no strings at all? Thats even tougher to debunk when they are standing right there when it happens!

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Yeah, ive heard many a tale of phantom piano music and even seen vids like in this case. Im in no way saying thats the cause, im just putting forward a possability for people to consider. I never actually heard the unstringed instrument play, even when i watched the tape again. The dumb background music that shows like this always play gets in the way and they dont replay the sound at the end. So i dont know what to say about that really.

You should know that i believe in ghosts and no one would ever convince me they dont exist. The experiences ive had leave no doubt in my mind. That does'nt stop me looking at everything with a very sceptical eye though. It safe guards me from people pulling the wool over my eyes.

If the paino had of started playing a reconizable tune. Not just two or three keys in no uniform pattern. Then that would be case closed for me. The sound of it just sounds odd for some reason. Could just be me though

Edit to add - Have you never noticed on TV shows like these that when ever somethings going down. They autimaticly stop and then wait for a while before going to explore it. Why dont they just make a break for that area and leave no room for speculation. Ive seen it time and time again with every paranormal show going. Also theres never a camera or voice recorder where this stuff happens. I might be being over critical but theres a pattern to it.

at about 0:16 seconds you can see an arm raise up with what looks like an emf detector it even lights up. and later on i can also make out what looks like a hat on the character/ghost.

it looks like this may be a tape thats been reused one to many times. i could be wrong.

then again i could just say its a ghost of a security guard with a flash light strolling through the museum.

Originally posted by KrypticCriminalEdit to add - Have you never noticed on TV shows like these that when ever somethings going down. They autimaticly stop and then wait for a while before going to explore it. Why dont they just make a break for that area and leave no room for speculation. Ive seen it time and time again with every paranormal show going. Also theres never a camera or voice recorder where this stuff happens. I might be being over critical but theres a pattern to it

This is nowhere near always true but the reason they do it, when they do is so as not to contaminate the area you NEED to listen first to see if what you're hearing is a ghost bumping about or a water pipe dummin down or the house/building settling... You cannot just go rushing into those kinds of situations no matter what.

But with that being said there's been quite a few times ESP on shows like Destination Truth and what have you where the second they see/hear something they're on it like Sonic! As for recorders/cameras has it ever occurred to both yourself and others w/ these thoughts that just maybe the spirits are real and purposely only affect rooms where they're not being watched? -- That's about as good a theory as any lol.