I don't understand humans.

Nor do I really want to.

I am confused how severely out of touch with nature humans (in industrialized nations) feel that they must be to survive. Like the obsession with things like hand sanitizers. The human species has been around quite a long while and for it to now believe a bit of dirt on its hand would somehow compromise its life is beyond me.

I am confused how a human can be told something is bad for their health yet continue on that path; all the while bemoaning their bad fortune as the negative effects they were warned of befall them. For an animal to not even seem to comprehend its own language is baffling to me! I once informed a cat not to bother a spider she was swatting at because the spider was poisonous; she stopped immediately. How was it that she better understood human language?

Why is is that humans feel the need to take happiness(and life!) from so very many others just to satisfy an occasional whim? No other animal does so on the insane scale that humanity does.... Though I suppose locusts are fairly on par with humans for causing destruction. But I am quite poorly informed on locusts, so I may be mistaken.

There are other things that confound me... but I am beginning to shake terribly as I find self-exposure more than a little unnerving.

You are talking about "humans" like somehing else, im asuming you are human, therefor talking about yourself to.. but I know where you getting at, I think. Perhaps at a place where I was after I saw a documentary about how we treated other living creatures on this planet.. Just look up "animal abuse" on youtube.. I did that, after that I was hoping for a deadly cure that would eliminate us humans from earth.. like the virus we are.. all the evil, hate, greed to hell with us all.

Well, how did we become this virus, my guess is our brain.. somehing happend that made us very "intelligent" but im not sure to call it "intelligent" because we are destroying our own home and each other with this "intelligent brain" We can be everything with this brain.. therefor we will always find good and evil in this world, sadly.. and it dont matter how many bombs we drop, infact it only makes it worse.. now lets have cake

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I am confused how severely out of touch with nature humans (in industrialized nations) feel that they must be to survive.

Maybe I'm reading that wrong or you worded it incorrectly, but I'll remark about it regardless.

Humans cannot be "out of touch" with nature, nor can anything be "unnatural", in my opinion. One of Google's definitions of nature is the natural physical world including plants and animals and landscapes etc, which basically means we're included there. It's not that we're "out of touch with nature" as much as it is dealing with new problems that didn't exist before in a different environment.

No other animal does so on the insane scale that humanity does....

Well, humans aren't like any other animal for starters. Wolves don't organize into massive communities and start killing another massive community of wolves for whatever reason, as they don't have the mental capacity. It's like arguing that gold fish are better than bears because gold fish have never killed anyone. To go back to the wolf example, they do however have some of the same instincts that we have, such as instead of having massive communities, they have packs, they hunt and kill together for sustain themselves and will kill to defend themselves and other pack members as necessary, and I'd imagine they'd fight to defend territory.

Just my two cents.

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well, there is that fish that everyone was freaking out about. snekehead? there are actually quite a few species of things that thrive by dominating the environment around them. most are plants, as plants are much more evolved than we are.
my belief is that we are just too prideful, for one the more complicated something is, the more things can go wrong. and sincewe think we have the most advanced brains on the planet... u get my point. when we can become an advanced society without raping the planet, we would probably need to push the majority to do it anyway bc it would be harder than destroying the planet. we take the easy path whe we have no passion to do whats best for everything, not just people, and not just us, but everything

I dont understand them either. What a vile species we can be.

What other species on the planet kill each other off by the hundreds of thousands or even millions? Or destroy the environment that it lives in? No other living beings that i can think of. The way some humans can treat one another with total lack of conscience is sickening. Especially considering we are the most self aware species on the planet.

I think the obsession with hand sanitizing is a bad thing too. Dont get me wrong, i am not a dirty person and wash my hands quite often, but some people take it too far. Besides, its like george carlin said, If you clean your hands constantly your immune system gets no practice fighting germs as often and becomes weak.

I agree that we are out of touch with nature, and it is not good. Just a few hundred years ago people were much more self sufficient. They could grow, raise and hunt for their own food and supply themselves with water. People are too dependent on the system now and if society were to collapse, many would die.

If we could understand ourselves the world would be a different place than it is today. The reason behind not being able to understand ourselves is that we are ourselves. If you could look at yourself through someone elses eyes you would probably gain a lot of knowledge as to how you became the person you are today.

Now if you could look through another creatures eyes and see yourself you would probably understand a whole lot more about the nature of things on this earth.

If you looked at humans on the earth through the eyes of an extraterresterial, you would probably be disgusted.

We can only be ourselves and cope with misinterpreting our existance.

SIR/MAM You just don't understand life yet. Some people are evil and mean, most are not.. You construe a fantasy land in which everyone is out to get everyone.. Not true. Are you a rape victim or had experienced a dramatic event? If so I am sorry. If not you really really DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. (imhho)

Originally posted by CuteChimaera
Nor do I really want to.

Like the obsession with things like hand sanitizers. The human species has been around quite a long while and for it to now believe a bit of dirt on its hand would somehow compromise its life is beyond me.

I truly believe and I think some doctors have found this to be true, that we don't rely on our own immune system to combat germs. When I was growing up (I'm now in my 50's), I seldom ever went to the doctor's when I was sick. We would have to stay home a good 3 to 5 days until we felt well again. Now at the first sign of a cough, parents rush their kids to the doctors to get antibiotics. I don't hardly get sick, and I credit that to my body fighting off germs on its own. Heck, I remember being out with the guys playing ball all day long, than going down to the corner store for snacks. We never washed our hands when we ate. We have microscopic germs living on and in our bodies everyday. Here's to good 'ole dirt!

I think Geoge Carlin has the slam dunk on this one.

"We swam in raw sewage! You know. To cool off."
time stop 2:30 - 2:45


Warning the clip is NSFW.

Running time 6:07


David Grouchy

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I have never seen a wolf, orca, or eagle stop and and think: is it immoral to take another's life?

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rationality and irrationality, like sanity and insanity, can be measured in this way:

all human behavior is directed by the perception of self-interest - you do what you think will be good for you

true self-interest is that which will actually benefit the individual

the distance, or difference between the perceived self-interest and actual self-interest is a measure of rationality

this sounds odd, right? for obviously, when a fireman rushes into a burning house to save a stranger, this would seem to be a clear instance of the disregard for self-interest - selflessness

this is a fallacy: the fireman's self-interest is determined individually -

is he the type of person who could stand by and watch another person die while able to help?

if not, then self-interest (the ego) demands an action which, from another perspective, may seem selfless - or foolish

however, the fireman is merely being consistent with his self-image - for him, not to act would force him to reevaluate his entire view of himself - negatively -

in short, for him, the danger involved in acting is less frightening than the thought of being a coward

which makes running into a burning building the more rational, the more sane, choice

humans seem to behave in self-destructive ways, to be sure...

but truly, they are, all of them, servicing their own perceptions of interest

and perception is all about perspective

the guy with diabetes and high-blood pressure keeps eating at McDonald's because 1) the food tastes good, (at least to him) 2) it is familiar, and therefore comforting, 3) it is inexpensive, 4) the perceived difficulties in maintaining a healthy diet, along with the anxiety that goes along with sudden change, ultimately discourage the subject from making (or even seeing) the choices that would result in improved health 5) the future is uncertain (a rationalization)

for this subject, the (perception of) fear of disease or even death is too remote to alter behavior that (he believes) has benefitted him in the past (the devil you know is better than the devil you don't)

society itself has a profound impact on perception - the foods you eat, clothing you wear and thoughts you think have been shaped by society (whichever society) since infancy

it is unlikely that our diabetic would have eaten himself into disease if peers and family had not created the perception of quality for McDonald's by taking him there as a child

whatever ideas pass for normal in any given society will affect individual perceptions

the japanese soldiers in WWII, famed for their suicidal charges, seem to be irrational, until you consider things from their perspective -

that death before (familial, cultural) dishonor was ingrained into their psyches, their egos, their perceptions of self... in order to make the irrational rational

and on it goes

the more worrisome point here, is that currently, much of a person's world view (in which the ego is anchored) is constantly manipulated by individuals in a position of advantage, who would stand to gain from irrational behaviors

the funny part is, that these PTB that take advantage of fellow humans are, in fact, very often acting against their true self-interests - since whatever gains are made are frequently corrupted by the net-negative impacts of the manipulation -

think about how BP might have benefitted from this understanding - they saved a million that cost them billions

summing up, (most) humans aren't self-destructive... it just seems that way because you are sane


be patient with them... they are but young and may yet prove their potential

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Well put. It's a shame (using your fireman example) that we have high level bankers, stockbrokers, investment consultants that would rather steal money then compromising there self image now. They see making money no matter how they do it as correct. Funny how things change I used to think stealing in a traditional sense was bad, now common thieves seems to even have more values then others in positions I listed earlier. Thieves know what they are doing is wrong but like an addict they get something for it other then self image or money.
As for humans we are all killers to a degree but I don't call it killing I call it survival. If I was on a deserted island and there were only plants and animals to eat, I would be having salad before my meal. So is this merely an issue of ethics or morality, both principles created by fat headed philosophers. The universe has no ethics or morality, it just is what it is and will always be long after we are gone.

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My thoughts EXACTLY! Thank you for letting me know that there's still hope for us..



I often feel as I am on this planet to study humans and absolutely nothing makes any sense anymore..

Originally posted by Vandalour
You are talking about "humans" like somehing else, im asuming you are human, therefor talking about yourself to..

Just to clarify; He(?) doesn't necasserily have to consider himself Human, really, as there are several groups of people on Earth that- although having Human appearence- do not identify themselves as Human and even consider themselves to be separated from Homo Sapiens as a species or people.


Just saying, for any eventualities.

youre talking as if you arent human. Are you sure youre not some evil alien, trying to turn us against each other so you can take over? But seriously, you also talk about humans as if everyone is the same: and the reality is is that were not! Everyone is different, and what you say is, to me, complete rubbish.