Holographic you : How would you handle it

For years many of us have pondered our reality, is it real or illusion. Now recently Firmilab have embarked on experiments to try and prove it one way or the other. Now before you instantly decide that this has been submitted on ATS previously please read on. This is not about our reality but more about you accepting it or not.

Firstly check the links, there is a push to find this out

The star.com

Popsci.com


Now holography is pushing on in its own right by us humans look at these links

nsf.gov

audioholic.com


The point is we won't give up experimenting with holography and so eventually many years or hundreds of years it will perform to the point where you will talk on a holographic phone to someone and believe they are there with you. Then in many hundreds of years we'll create life size reality games.

Yep true I'm guessing... but conceivably we may create virtual worlds.

This brings us back to the experiments, are we already there are we actually part and parcel of an already running experiment. If there is indeed a graininess to our universe it would be a strong indicator to intelligent design.

Personally I have always thought that there are markers for ID. Imagine you were the designer you would surly have a purpose, like any game be it physical or electronic we have this thing called “feedback” its the loop that makes the game interesting. Feedback creates interest the game becomes dynamic.

This is not about the limitless conversation on this subject although you are welcome to expand if relevant, its about the title of the thread “Holographic you : How would you handle it”


Think about it for a minute.................. No really think about it deeply.




Will you still find a point to life will you view the world knowing its all unreal or will you just carry on knowing its at least your reality. Perhaps your one that would use the system to your advantage, many of us know that feedback works.

Are you still thinking deeply about this, could you handle it........ I want to know.

MJ2

Have you just watched The Thirteenth Floor?

I would continue. At least, I think I would. Until I became infirm, anyway.

I havn't read those articles, but i do know that they are doing an experiment to see if we are just holograms of a 2D reality.

I've known for many years that this reality isn't actually real and is just an illusion, and it blows my mind every day. What does it all mean. What is the point of it all? People have thought that last question for Millenia... What is the purpose of life? What is the meaning of life? Well, I dont know. But what can we do other than just live, learn and experience as we have always done.

All these experiments do is help us understand things a bit better, and help give us better ideas.

But i can tell you that when I realised that reality is indeed an illusion, it blew my mind and changed my whole outlook of everything and makes me ponder the meaning behind it all, so much more than i ever did.

Trying to inform you're friends of this fact, makes them seem uncomfortable, aka, ignorance is bliss...

Originally posted by StinkFist
Have you just watched The Thirteenth Floor?

I would continue. At least, I think I would. Until I became infirm, anyway.

Hey no I have never watched it - but I will
Thanks for that

This concept is not strange to me. Once we were just consciousness. We created earth out of boredom and found it so beautiful we wanted to experience it. We created bodies and began to multiply. Through time, the original creators forgot to teach future generations that they were creators and there ever since, human beings don't know why they are here on earth. By rule of nature, human beings are now addicted to Virtual Reality. We are trying to live in a world were we can be free and limitless. Sound familiar? Its a fractal my friend.

I accept that we are in fact in a Matrix.

Originally posted by majestictwo

Originally posted by StinkFist
Have you just watched The Thirteenth Floor?

I would continue. At least, I think I would. Until I became infirm, anyway.

Hey no I have never watched it - but I will
Thanks for that

Great movie btw!

reply to post by drkid


Got yer.. I know what you are saying. I guess those like you will have no problem. But what of those that have never thought about it until they actually find it out on the news?

reply to post by majestictwo

How would you handle it

As someone who has spent much of his life playing games and talking to people on web forums rather than participating in consensus reality...I don't think it would affect me much.

could you handle it

Yes. As far as I'm concerned it doesn't really make much difference. An observer is by definition only aware of what it observes. I have no basis of comparison to evaluate reality other than my observation. Consequently I have no particular reason to believe that this observable reality has any significance beyond the fact that I seem to be observing it.

If it should turn out that one day I should happen to observe an article on a web forum claiming that some individual had an observation which he interpreted to mean that observable reality was not of any particular consequence...

Why should that affect me? Or anyone else?

Have you seen how emotionally attached people become to their fantasy football teams? Have you ever seen a WoW addict stressing over his vanity pets? Emotional attachment and intellectual intercourse requires no "fundamental reality" to interact with. If reality itself should turn out to be merely an illusion conjured up by some mystic being somewhere...is that any reason to find it less relevant to one's experience?

And what if it was also NON-LOCALIZED (see Bell's Theorem) operating in some sort of hyperdimensional universe, with everything impinging on everything else, your very life and every thought and deed placed up on the BIG SCREEN for one and all, including you, to evaluate, at the appropriate time, something which, presumably, between lives you could run back and forth, and in as much detail as you wish, from every angle and perspective including every action and REACTION ie: from the other person's perspective (how embarassing it could be, how painful to see it from their POV). Interestingly, this is precisely the experience people who've had extended NDE's or "between life" experiences report goes on, whereby all information is preserved, and may be retrieved in very fine holographic detail, and immediately, or in some sort of hyperspacial dimension where something which would take a long time here to "review", can be reviewed instantaneously there, in the "review" area, with the aid of compassionate helpers, who are not there to judge us, but only to ask us, time and time again "was that loving?" or "how does that stack up in relation to a standard of love?"
By the Jewish tradition, I've heard that when you die, you are shown your whole life in detail, and then, what it would have looked like, had you fulfilled the law! (what a horror!)

Me, I'm all in, because I happen to think that it's much better that there is something, and not nothing, and I've already been down the rebellious route and have seen where it goes, which is nowhere fast.
I like reality, even if it's not "real", and maybe some day, who knows, maybe I could be helping you or you me, to realize what we ought to know, and learn.

I'm ok with it, because I trust the game creator, and because all in all it's a good game, if only we could become better players. But there is nothing wrong with the game design, imho and from what I can tell.

Let's play! Game on!

Very interesting premise, nice thread! S&F

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

I'm ok with it, because I trust the game creator, and because all in all it's a good game, if only we could become better players. But there is nothing wrong with the game design, imho and from what I can tell.

Let's play! Game on!

Thanks for the S&F NAM - I love your above. That is indeed a great outlook. Why shouldn't we trust whoever or whatever after all this is quite something to generate in the first place. You would expect there is some skill and perhaps experience in doing it all before.

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Thanks man. Bottom line, if it's proven, and we can see that it's kind of like a game, call it "the meaning of life" or something like that, then I think that's liberating, and it gives me a sense of peace as in oh thank GOD. It changes the frame of reference such that we don't have to take it QUITE as seriously, while at the same time, getting a better handle on the purpose of the game and the game parameters, so as to play it to the hilt and get up to something BIG ie: play a bigger game than what we've been playing.

It's a beautiful concept. Of course if proven, some idiot will complain about it, that he didn't ASK to be placed in the game or something like that.

Meanwhile the lineup to get to the earth plane stretches from here to Alpha Centari, because this is the vail of tears, where the greatest learning of all takes place!

Originally posted by drkid

I accept that we are in fact in a Matrix.

Ohhkay!

As long as you are the battery and I am a Smith.

8]

I would carry on as I am.

There is obviously a reason for my participation in the first place.

The real question you should be asking, is whether or not we were forced to participate in the holographic reality ?

Would I handle it?
Well if I'm a hologram that means what?
Does it change anything will it make stuff unreal? I feel pain, I fell sadness. I live my life by what i sense.
You would die anyways, rigth? Even if this is only a hologram you wouldent jump out infront of a bus.
And if it's all fake, we would never know until we die. I asume that we wouldent die just to find out. You could be wrong.
I like this holografick world, so mutch to see and think about.

This is may be related, or not, but I have or had a friend (still do I guess..) who was diagnosed with cancer, inoperable lung cancer, and about a month to three before his life was to end, he pulled the plug on his own game, to "do it on my terms" he said, but maybe.. and who am I to say, but just maybe, he was about to play THE most important part of his game, right up to the bitter end, but he refused to play that part of it, and I believe, missed out (I know that may sound horrific to some, particularly given that he was my friend). And I think the reason he chose to do that (suicide before his time) was because of various assumptions he was under about the nature of reality and existence ie: atheist materialist monist here today, gone tomorrow.

My mother OTOH when her game was coming to a close (also from cancer) chose a totally different way of playing and surrendered, and for her the final sequence was filled with joy and grace, albeit, yes, some physical pain as well.

My friend "died" the moment that he was told his game was going to be coming to completion, but my mother, she began to ascend and never stopped.

Sad things to talk about, perhaps, but important I think, as there are a lot of ignorant people who like my friend ASSUME that they THINK that they KNOW what reality is (just physical), and they, like my friend are willing to bet the whole farm on that one assumption, which imho, is a more arrogant position to take, than the person who has faith in something both mysterious and transcedant.

My friend felt that I was nothing but a fool for my faith, but wasn't even willing to talk about it, or inquire into it, or even ask me why I thought the things I thought and believed. He assumed.

And to those who for some reason resent being in this game..? Oh sigh, never mind, like my friend you don't even want to begin to even make the inquiry, beginning with your assumptions, your compaints, your disappointments, to which I would say, c'mon buddy, yes it can be tiring and sometime we don't even know what we're doing, or why we're here, but don't you think it's better that there is SOMETHING to do. If YOU were in charge what would you STOP the game and pull the plug on it?!!! C'mon, think this through, it's an opportunity.

reply to post by LordBucket


No I agree it shouldn't affect you - but do you think others could be affected. Is there anyone you know that is not on your wavelength so to speak, what about public generally. I know I am public generally but shall we say outside ATS or the like forums.

If the hologram theory proves out and points to some sort of intelligent design of some kind, then the viewpoint of these two esteemed scientists may prove helpful in terms of better understanding the nature of the "projector"..

"The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249274834&sr=8-1

Haisch is an astrophysicist whose professional positions include Staff Scientist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory, Deputy Director for the Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Visiting Fellow at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany. His work has led to close involvement with NASA; he is the author of over 130 scientific papers; and was the Scientific Editor of the Astrophysical Journal for nine years, as well as the editor in chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration.

an excerpt

If you think of white light as a metaphor of infinite, formless potential, the colors on a slide or frame of film become a structured reality grounded in the polarity that comes about through intelligent subtraction from that absolute formless potential. It results from the limitation of the unlimited. I contend that this metaphor provides a comprehensible theory for the creation of a manifest reality (our universe) from the selective limitation of infinite potential (God)...
If there exists an absolute realm that consists of infinite potential out of which a created realm of polarity emerges, is there any sensible reason not to call this "God"? Or to put it frankly, if the absolute is not God, what is it? For our purposes here, I will indentify the Absolute with God. More precisely I will call the Absolute the Godhead. Applying this new terminology to the optics analogy, we can conclude that our physical universe comes about when the Godhead selectively limits itself, taking on the role of Creator and manifesting a realm of space and time and, within that realm, filtering out some of its own infinite potential...
Viewed this way, the process of creation is the exact opposite of making something out of nothing. It is, on the contrary, a filtering process that makes something out of everything. Creation is not capricious or random addition; it is intelligent and selective subtraction. The implications of this are profound.

If the Absolute is the Godhead, and if creation is the process by which the Godhead filters out parts of its own infinite potential to manifest a physical reality that supports experience, then the stuff that is left over, the residue of this process, is our physical universe, and ourselves included. We are nothing less than a part of that Godhead - quite literally.

Next, by Ervin Laszlo

Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything, 2004
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249275852&sr=8-1

And, his other seminal work
Science and the Reenchantment of the Cosmos: The Rise of the Integral Vision of Reality
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1249275852&sr=8-6

Ervin Laszlo is considered one of the foremost thinkers and scientists of our age, perhaps the greatest mind since Einstein. His principal focus of research involves the Zero Point Field. He is the author of around seventy five books (his works having been translated into at least seventeen languages), and he has contributed to over 400 papers. Widely considered the father of systems philosophy and general evolution theory, he has worked as an advisor to the Director-General of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in both 2004 and 2005. A multidisciplinarian, Laszlo has straddled numerous fields, having worked at universities as a professor of philosophy, music, futures studies, systems science, peace studies, and evolutionary studies. He was a sucessful concert pianist until he was thirty eight.

In his view, the zero-point field (or the Akashic Field, as he calls it) is quite literally the "mind of God".

Naming Hal Puthoff, Roger Penrose, Fritz-Albert Popp, and a handful of others as "front line investigators", Laszlo quotes Puthoff who says of the new scientific paradigm:

[What] would emerge would be an increased understanding that all of us are immersed, both as living and physical beings, in an overall interpenetrating and interdependant field in ecological balance with the cosmos as a whole, and that even the boundary lines between the physical and "metaphysical" would dissolve into a unitary viewpoint of the universe as a fluid, changing, energetic/informational cosmological unity."

an excert from Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything

Akasha (a . ka . sha) is a Sanskrit word meaning "ether": all-pervasive space. Originally signifying "radiation" or "brilliance", in Indian philosophy akasha was considered the first and most fundamental of the five elements - the others being vata (air), agni (fire), ap (water), and prithivi (earth). Akasha embraces the properties of all five elements: it is the womb from which everything we percieve with our senses has emerged and into which everything will ultimately re-descend. The Akashic Record (also called The Akashic Chronicle) is the enduring record of all that happens, and has ever happened, in space and time."

Laszlo's view of the history of the universe is of a series of universes that rise and fall, but are each "in-formed" by the existence of the previous one. In Laszlo's mind, the universe is becoming more and more in-formed, and within the physical universe, matter (which is the crystallization of intersecting pressure waves or an interference pattern moving through the zero-point field) is becoming increasing in-formed and evolving toward higher forms of consciousness and self aware realization.

reply to post by majestictwo

do you think others could be affected. Is there anyone you know
that is not on your wavelength so to speak

I don't really know anyone who's "on my wavelength." But of those who aren't, I would sort of tend to guess that in the short term it would be most difficult for those "in the middle."

How many amongst the public will really care, understand or believe? Some will find it very easy to deny. Others will ignore. Still others will take great pleasure in ridiculing the idea. These people will not be greatly affected by an announcement.

On the other extreme there will be some who feel vindicated that all that time they wasted wasn't wasted. And some will probably experience tremendous relief that their blinders can finally be taken off. And there may be a few for whom the transition is a bit of a jolt...like jumping into a cold pool, but once they're in they'll probably find that they like it.

But in the middle there will be people who think of themselves as smart, but who aren't really. People who take pride in servitude, but not because they enjoy it. And people who have invested tremendous amounts of time and energy into systems that will suddenly be irrelevant. These people will all have a great deal to lose, much of which is purely in their own minds, and it may be difficult for them to let go.

In the long term it depends on how things play out. If everything opens up and those in the know are suddenly in a position to alter reality at a thought...the experience of those at the bottom will depend greatly on the kindness and charity of those suddenly now in positions of direct rather than political power. There could be some earth shattering, and very physical kabooms experienced only by those who don't "get it." Or these people might simply be sent off to a makeshift "zoo" to be staffed by some who do "get it" but aren't in any hurry to leave. But most of the "kabooms" need only take place in the "letting go." There's no need for a NWO, or a nuclear war, or an alien invasion or anything like that. It just doesn't need to be that kind of trauma. It can be more like learning that you don't really need to respond to troll posts. All that angst and anger you experience when a troll posts something that really irks you, all the hours you spend writing up elaborate and well reseached replies...and then one day, instead, you simply recognize it's a troll and move on. It can be like that instead.

Personally I intend a generally gentle transition but with some fun surprises. Of course, I recognize that "fun" will be relative. For that I apologize.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


You talking about us being in a game makes me think of my experiences playing mmorpg's and character creation. If we were all in a huge mmo, then that could explain doppelgangers, no? Even though (in some games) there is a huge range of customizations, there are still limitations. Characters often look alike no matter how hard we try to make them completely unique.

I am completely stoked by the reply quality I think we have some really great points of view better still foresights.


NAM – Thanks for that info I have read your post and will check out more of those angles so to speak. I have to confess it takes a bit to get my head around.

Lordbucket – Wow what can I say love your foresights and agree.

There's no need for a NWO, or a nuclear war, or an alien invasion or anything like that. It just doesn't need to be that kind of trauma. It can be more like learning that you don't really need to respond to troll posts.

Absolutely right - There would have to be a transition for everyone eventually like it or not. Yours sounds very calm and I'm sure that’s the best way. For me I would only see it as an expansion of what I already feel is right. I'm not a believer in coincidence, life experience for me has proven differently.




Then there is the part of my mind that says there is nothing random in our universe there is too much order. Yes there is apparent chaos in the engine room down at the subatomic levels but I'm sure when we understand it there will be no chaos.

In my original post I talked about feedback – I believe many of us (excluding you guys here) do not understand this. There daily lives continue providing various feedback signals without thinking, seemingly a wave of random feelings ultimately providing them with random lives.

Game or higher purpose perhaps well never know but learning how to get the best from it is perhaps all a creator could wish for.

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I've never heard about this concept. But the thing is...who I am is not defined by what I am. Does that make sense? I don't know how else to explain it. Well...I guess what I'm trying to say is my surroundings and how or why we are here will never change who I am. Experiences are real if not physically always emotionally. It doesn't change what I have done, who I have met, What I have read, and what I have experienced. So if I found out reality isn't what I thought...it still doesn't change reality. Wow...I'm sorry if this post might be confusing. The idea is in my head but I'm having a hard time forming it into words. Sorry... S & F!!