Scariest speed camera of all... It checks your insurance, tax and even whether you are tailgating or

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
If you reference my above post, the State of Az. also found that it was an infringement of the Fourth Amendment Right. To the contrary of what most people believe, the Fourth Amendment does protect you in the confines of your vehicle. Many of been swayed to believe that the 4th, only protects you in your home. Though law makers have been able to over ride the 4th by issuing " probable cause " to infringe on said rights.

Ok, I understand your point in relation to the USA.

I would contest that a camera looking into a vehicle was an ''unreasonable search'', considering that anybody can ''search'' your vehicle in this manner, by looking through the glass.

Unless they put a remote controlled gun to defend this thing, it's just going to end up with a tire around the mast and be set on fire.

what everyone seems to be forgetting is their not doing it to look into your car to see what your doing, they want to see people make it to work or their home or where ever everyday safely. its not about them poking their noses in to see what your doing while driving cause lets face it everyone should be doing the same thing in their cars (watching the road) if you do something wrong and get caught tough luck! i got caught using my phone while driving couple months back. i got out my van and accepted what the police man had to say to me and accepted the fact i got £60 and 3 points. it was my own fault. again drive sensibly and you have nothing to worry about

Most police cars in England already have cameras installed in the dash that check if the car in front of them has insurance or not so it isn't something that new.

If you are driving on the same road as me without insurance then I fully support the police in whatever action (within reason) that they want to take against you. If you get hit by an uninsured driver you get truly screwed, you have to claim the money from your own insurance company (if you are fully comprehensive) you lose your no claims bonus (even if it was entirely the other drivers fault) you have to pay the excess for repairs and next year your premiums will go through the roof.

There have been studies done that show that intersections with these cameras actually cause more accidents generally b/c people slam on their brakes to make sure they don't get ticketed.

The trouble is that they work too well. Numerous studies have found that when these cameras are put in place, rear-end collisions increase dramatically. Drivers who once might have stretched the light a bit now slam on their brakes for fear of getting a ticket, with predictable results. A study of red-light cameras in Washington, D.C., by The Washington Post found that despite producing more than 500,000 tickets (and generating over $32 million in revenues), red-light cameras didn't reduce injuries or collisions. In fact, the number of accidents increased at the camera-equipped intersections.

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And for the people that say cops can already see in your vehicle. I bet if the cop that could already see in your vehicle came up to your car and started taking pictures of you and the inside of your vehicle you would have a problem with that. That is what this is and the main problem I have with it!

reply to post by Mudman21


You should try living in my city ( Hull/Uk) You realy cant go anywhere without been on cctv and there are speed cameras all over the place. Evan the housing estates have CCTV on mounted poles. So if i walk from my house to my friends about 1 mile away, there isnt one part of the journey whare im not been filmed.

No wonder our govt can afford to cut the police. they have that many cameras now they dont need to patrol anywhere near as much as they used to.

Plus imagine when these cameras have facial recognition and all that.

reply to post by ThePeopleParty


The US is quickly going down the route of the UK. Lawyers have made it where almost all privately owned business have cameras that can be used by our government at any time. Then all government owned properties are usually heavily monitored and now the addition of cameras at every intersection, we are pretty much covered.

And really, I see the point of "if your not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about", but it is frightening to me that I am being watched at all times. The only real positive outcome of all this is that this works both ways. It also catches our authorities when they are breaking the law!

reply to post by Mudman21


If a driver was following that close, and not paying attention (or not planning on stopping at the red light...), then that falls on them.

There is only one way you rear-end someone: you are following too close for the speed. Not the other person stopped to fast. You are legally, and rightfully at fault.

If you are coming up to a traffic light, it is common practice to pay attention to the light and the car in front of you, not only so you can know when to stop, but know when others in front of you should be stopping.

As for the police walking up and taking a picture inside your car, I don't think that argument works too well here.

These pictures will be stored for a set amount of time. If it is found that they are lieing about that, then you have recourse to get these things taken away. Do you really think they will keep a data base of people driving down the road, doing nothing wrong? Picking their nose? Eating a burger? Drinking a soda?

They would have ZERO use for this.

reply to post by iamsupermanv2


OK, I see you like being the devils advocate!

Look, time and time again, these databases of photos have proven to have been stored and used for various reasons. It wasn't too long ago that databases of gun registers were not deleted by the BATF for years even though they are supposed to be deleted within 30 days. Airport scanning images were found floating around the internet shortly after it was issued that the images would be immediately deleted once the screening process was done.

And I really don't like the thought of artificial intelligence monitoring me and issuing me citations and storing databases of information on me. The fact is, artificial intelligence is replacing people at a faster pace then ever. Before long, there will be no human police force and a team of Robocops will be strolling around.

reply to post by Mudman21


Not in all situations, just these.

My responding on these types of topics honestly stems from me not seeing what the big deal is. I understand that I won't be converting anyone, it's just how I feel.

To me, it doesn't even matter if they store the pics. I don't see too much they could be figuring out from it, other then what car I drive, or that sometimes I wear the same shirt twice in on week.

I get that it's a "slippery slope to the loss of our freedoms" but I totally understand why law enforcement would want this. They get to save money on traffic cops. I think that is the bottom line for them.

This isn't a system that needs to be abused, but even if they keep the pics indefenitly, I don't think it's that big of a problem. Again, my personal beliefs, and I understand, especially around here, that I'm in the minority mindset.

And so what?

It's quite easy to beat these cameras - just stick to the speed limit, wear a seatbelt and make sure you are taxed and insured - if you do all of this then you will have nothing to worry about. Bascially it means that you are not BREAKING THE LAW.

It's a shame the cameras won't also catch drivers who use their mobile phones, drive whilst over the limit for alcohol or high on drugs, drive whilst disqualified or without a valid driving licence.

Some of these rules and laws are put in place to PROTECT people.

A few months ago there was a fatal accident in nearby village. A popular lady and her two young grandchildren had been walking home from school when a car hit them. The car had hit the kerb, mounted the verge and pavement destroying a plastic bollard, hit a cottage at the end of the village before colliding with them and knocking down a lamppost. The driver of the car was three times over the drink drive limit and travelling in excess of 50mph in a 30mph zone.

Those who would encorage a government to intrude upon the lives of others will soon find themselves being intruded upon as well.

They will come for those who run a light , then those who tailgate, then those that dont' have insurance, then those that don't have seatbelts, then those talking on their phones, then those who don't have both hands on the wheel, they will correlate information between lights to find out what your average speed was between the surveillance points (they already do in some tollways) they will look at the faces in the car and check for recent activity in bars and liquor stores because the progressive minds want universal ID/cash cards for all transactions. They will be able to see if your kids are in school and know if you have left the kids in a car unattended. They will monitor your spending and know if you are buying a pair of new shoes while you haven't paid your light bill. They will be in your life and eventually in your home.

You will, one fine day, complain bitterly about the impositions on you and your privacy that you used to encourage in the name of controlling the behaviors of others.

Hope you enjoy it.

sorry brothers,but this time i have to agree, everyone drives nice in europe,because there are cameras everywhere,and they will just cut your license in half if you even think going on red light,and this is the right way.
in bulgaria everyone drives like ^@^@@^,and would run you over. i was in germany,and no one runed me over,everyone let me as a pedestrian to pass the street. same for italy and other nice countryes.

Originally posted by iamsupermanv2
reply to post by Mudman21

 

These pictures will be stored for a set amount of time. If it is found that they are lieing about that, then you have recourse to get these things taken away. Do you really think they will keep a data base of people driving down the road, doing nothing wrong? Picking their nose? Eating a burger? Drinking a soda?
They would have ZERO use for this.

You will have NO recourse if they choose to store this information, don't delude yourself. The reality is these cameras will be put in places that generate the highest revenue not create the most safety. In Alberta Canada, these types of radar cameras are everywhere that people aren't. So edges of the city, hiding on freeway embankments but not in school zones and not where it would improve quality of life for the average person. British Columbia removed all radar cameras like this both the roving and stationary however they kept the red light cameras.

Eating a burger, drinking a soda and talking on your cell can be construed as driving without due care and attention. So don't for a moment think your rights, or your judgment means anything when it stands between the cash grab by the municipality and you.

..Ex

reply to post by badgerprints


That's just scaremongering nonsense !

This is the ''slippery slope'' logical fallacy.


Speed cameras do help road safety, and deter boorish, arrogant behaviour from motorists, does not automatically mean that this system is in place to subjugate the populace.

The argument is lacking in any logical support, and is the preserve of those who are always looking for ''Orwellian'' legislation from ''the man''.

I was thinking policing technology would continue in this manner.

It's all about control, and some won't stop until they have it.

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes




Sometimes, if we just believe in ourselves, we don't really have to put the entire globe under constant surveillence.

Originally posted by pearcester
just drive sensible and what have you got to worry about?

That is sooo true, there are cameras all over UK, but I drive carefully around them and everything on my car is legal, therefore I have no problem.

I'd love to have these installed in my city and on the highways because over here in Mexico people drive like apes with disregard for the safety of others. The amount of traffic accidents and head on collisions that happen here on a daily basis is just insane because people think they're racing drivers driving on race tracks.

I can see how some people would find them intrusive but in some places they're a necessity.

reply to post by Stillalive


People drive well in Italy?????

Really!

That's one of the most shocking statements I've ever heard