Is there an attack on your childs mind?

I am almost finished with my studies, and I have seen drastic changes between how we acted as year 7s and how year 7s are acting.

Something is definitely up... I have asked the teachers and they say the same thing (ruder, louder, more fights)

reply to post by UnderstandingWisdom


Firstly, I did read your entire post.
Secondly, most of the media is out to get us, mainly to get us to part with money for products that we don't actually need. Their job is to convince us that we do in fact need their items and they use underhanded tactics to achieve their goal.
As far as violent video games etc, it is a fact that kids, and a lot of adults for that fact, enjoy violent video games, and movies. This is no different to people reading violent books, and they have been around for a very long time, not due to some sinister plot to take over everyone's minds, but because people enjoy it.
This brings me on to cartoons.
The chicken fight in family guy was aimed at a more adult audience, the show goes out on air after 9pm in this country,therefore it's not aimed at children. But, on the other hand, Tom and Jerry, Bugs Bunny,Daffy Duck etc etc Are aimed at children and are just about violence.
To cut a long post short, I believe that advertising that is aimed purely at children should be banned, it's banned in Sweden (I think it's Sweden) because it's not fair to aim advertising at a section of the community that does not earn money.
There is a battle on for our kids minds, but I believe they are more at risk from the education system, and also religion.
There you go, a proper reply without the sarcasm. I am sorry if I offended you, but I had a feeling you were going to go down the whole "lets cut our children off from all outside influences and spend most of our time forcing the bible (one of the most violent books ever written) down their throats" route. I jumped to a conclusion and I am genuinely sorry

Maybe some of these parents who just stick their kid in front of the tv or let them play video games for hours on end should try doing other things instead. Actually spending time with the child works wonders. The problem with these kids is lack of parenting. I have watched many violent shows and played many violent video games and i am the least violent person i know. But then again, my family spent lots of time with me as a child, and we did things that didnt include hours of media.

Children within the "developed world" are conditioned from a young age.

The prime example is that girls prefer pink and boys prefer blue, there is no inherently masculine feature automatically co notated with blue, however, the children’s parents brains are conditioned into thinking these are the acceptable colours for a boy and a girl to wear.

However, more dangerously is the wifi network that has sprung up that concerns the "global grid," which can be used to telepathically communicate over. It is these airwaves that are subdueing the subconcious of the mind from being opened, that all the real crop circles, ones in which the H20 is drained from the soil underneath, are concerned with. These electronic airwaves are used to remote view if remote viewing is done correctly through telepathy, but they also subdue us into accepting a non renewable society for luxurys that satisfy the concious part of the mind.

It is to open the sub concious of the mind through some form of either drugs or mental teaching, that allows one to overcome and notice this mental conditioning.

reply to post by NonKonphormist

Hi ATS I'm back and I will try to address as many people as possible...I'm still waking up so please be gentle

Thankyou NonKonphormist for your comments...they are all considered and taken onboard fully.

Originally posted by NonKonphormist
most of the media is out to get us, mainly to get us to part with money for products that we don't actually need. Their job is to convince us that we do in fact need their items and they use underhanded tactics to achieve their goal.

I agree with you 100%, so we both agree that the media is using underhand tactics to achieve their goals.

Originally posted by NonKonphormist
As far as violent video games etc, it is a fact that kids, and a lot of adults for that fact, enjoy violent video games, and movies. This is no different to people reading violent books, and they have been around for a very long time

I agree with you here only partly here...kids and adults both enjoy violent video games (1 in 4 gamers are under 18), but this is different to reading violent books, books leave everything to the imagination (unless there are graphic illustrations), which is only as good as what you have seen in life, thats where our inspiration comes from. You can describe any scene in a book with vivid detail, but can only form the correct images based on what you have seen in life, on the T.V or in certain video games. The quest for realism in video games is getting closer everyday which has to blur the lines of fantasy/reality to the impressionable. We now have the capabilities to kill people with military precision because of the practice and experience gained from games like Modern Warfare 2.

Originally posted by NonKonphormist
The chicken fight in family guy was aimed at a more adult audience, the show goes out on air after 9pm in this country,therefore it's not aimed at children. But, on the other hand, Tom and Jerry, Bugs Bunny,Daffy Duck etc etc Are aimed at children and are just about violence.

So we both agree their is violence in cartoons (in fact there is more violence in cartoons in an 18 hour-day then any other programme). I know Family Guy is aimed at an adult audience and is aired after 9pm, but that does not stop children from watching it...you can view scenes on YouTube or download the programmes for example. My two nephews (5 and 8 years old) both know of Family Guy and it's banned in their house, my sister is fully aware of this programme and has never put in on nor even mentioned ii in front of the kids...but they still know about it (eldest has said he has seen it on a friends phone and its funny)

As soon as we say to our children, "no you can watch this or you can't do that", then we are adding an air of mystery, excitement and curiosity to it. This in itself may cause the child to seek out what they aren't supposed to do...we are all naturally curious and attracted to excitement. For example if something is banned, it sparks instant interest in it...how many people have sort out anything that has been banned? Because of this 'forbidden' attitude the curiosity intensifies.

Originally posted by NonKonphormist
To cut a long post short, I believe that advertising that is aimed purely at children should be banned, it's banned in Sweden (I think it's Sweden) because it's not fair to aim advertising at a section of the community that does not earn money.

I agree it's not fair to aim advertising at children. But again in banning something, doesn't that just provoke curiosity in it. If they want to they will find a way to view whatevers banned.

Originally posted by NonKonphormist
There you go, a proper reply without the sarcasm. I am sorry if I offended you, but I had a feeling you were going to go down the whole "lets cut our children off from all outside influences and spend most of our time forcing the bible (one of the most violent books ever written) down their throats" route. I jumped to a conclusion and I am genuinely sorry

you haven't offended me one bit in fact peoples responses haven't been as bad as I expected. After all I'm telling you your child gets influenced from sources that you have no control over, this upsets any parent who micro-manages their childs life. Second people who work for mobile phone companies may see this topic as an attack on their new devices and respond accordingly. Thirdly any one who promotes or works in the entertainment industry would also not be happy about this particular topic.

As to "lets cut our children off from all outside influences and spend most of our time forcing the bible (one of the most violent books ever written) down their throats". This has never been my goal, my goal is to make people aware of the 'influences' in this world (and all it forms), and direct that thought to the modern mobile phone, were for the first time in our history all of these influences are in the palm of your hand and mobile with your kids.

If real violence is directly linked to media violence, and now media violence (with all it forms) is available on the go, then what will the world be like when these children grow up? Only time will tell...Thankyou again for your post

I think people who blame the media for violent behaviour are simply looking for a scapegoat to excuse the larger problems in society, such as poverty, poor parenting, political correctness, celebrity and gang culture etc.

I and all of my friends grew up playing violent video games - anyone remember Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem? (maybe the graphics weren't as realistic, but they were still pretty violent). We watched violent movies, the old video nasties had more gore than the average movie today and as for violent music, we were all complete metal-heads from about 12 years old.

That was back in the late 80s-90s and other than realism of graphics in both games and movies, not a lot has changed, yet we all managed to get decent educations and go on to lead perfectly healthy, normal lives, raising families etc. I would also like to add that back when the Web was in it's infancy, restricted material was far easier to access online for underage people, although you had to wait far longer for it to download, lol.

Keeping this in mind, do you not think that blaming the media for the problems of todays youth is a little misplaced? It's no different to back in the 50s/60s when people claimed that Rock 'n' Roll was the cause of rebellious youth, which today we know to be rediculous and that the most that it did was to influence the fashions of the day.

A huge problem today is that due to the political correct crew, who have taken over the Western World, today's youth know that they cannot be disciplined for stepping out of line. There are no boundaries to their misbehaviours, right up to the point where they take it too far and someone gets killed and at the point, it's too late.

I'm not saying that the media doesn't have an influence on the behaviour and attitudes of young people, but without boundaries, taught by parents, who are now too scared to discipline their kids, the problems of society will only increase.

Maybe that is a conspiracy in itself... How to cause social breakdown? Prevent parents from disciplining their own kids under the guise of "Child Protection Laws".

i account todays rampant mental illness and depression on something that most dont think about but i think it to be comepletely accurate

THE Industrial revolution
The industrial revolution created america but before this era of modern items like refrigerators and general stores we all had to survive using our instincts that we had used for tens of thousands of years to do so...
now with the emergence of society and culture we have become for the most part dependant on JOBS Grocery stores and money for survival .. along with that comes stress lack of self fulfillment and many other variables that are cause when our underlying eons of instinct are no longer valid..

our entire mental survival the most core instinct, has been mostly rendered useless in this culture when it comes to the part of self sustainment.

we cant even chose to live off the land anymore... or chose to live with no money... you got taxes land costs etc... back in the day all we had to do was find a spot and make it home and hunt for food, it isnt that i am saying that doing that is eaiser physically im saying mentally most of us are pre conditioned to be more happy this way.

because of these facts and the fact that parents are more stressed when mommy and dady are gone all the time and that kids dont seem to do chores anymore and have no reason to do them.. since mom and dad buy what all they need at the store anyway ....kids used to help parents and that was quality time . they dont get that anymore... now the boob tube and a crappy education system occupy the childs best years for mental growth

sorry for the lack of punctuations and grammar my mind races sometimes and if i dont type it as fast as i do i can lose my train of thought

everything kids see influences the mind..and its just not kids..adults and oaps aswell.
One thing I heard on the news yesterday concerned me...about children having the MMR jab or to be expelled from school(in the uk). sounds a little cattle train to me.

I wanted to start a new thread about it but as this is my second post I had to include it here.

thoughts?

reply to post by nik1halo

Thankyou nik1halo, this is more like it, a coherent and reasonable response to my concerns

Originally posted by nik1halo
I think people who blame the media for violent behaviour are simply looking for a scapegoat to excuse the larger problems in society, such as poverty, poor parenting, political correctness, celebrity and gang culture etc.

I'm not blaming the medias (which is video games, youtube, music, t.v shows etc) for ALL of the violent behaviour in society, but it definately adds to the pot, this can't be ignored, there have been 1000's of studies upon the direct link.

Originally posted by nik1halo
Keeping this in mind, do you not think that blaming the media for the problems of todays youth is a little misplaced? It's no different to back in the 50s/60s when people claimed that Rock 'n' Roll was the cause of rebellious youth, which today we know to be rediculous and that the most that it did was to influence the fashions of the day.

Again I'm not blaming the media for ALL of the problems of todays youth, but some, most definately. As for the 50s/60s, have you not heard of the Mod and Rockers? Was this just a friendly feud?

The Mods and Rockers were two conflicting British youth subcultures of the early-mid 1960s. Gangs of mods and rockers fighting in 1964 sparked a moral panic about British youths, and the two groups were seen as folk devils. The rockers adopted a macho biker gang image, wearing clothes such as black leather jackets. The mods adopted a pose of scooter-driving sophistication, wearing suits and other cleancut outfits. By late 1966, the two subcultures had faded from public view and media attention turned to two new emerging youth subcultures — the hippies and the skinheads.

In the United Kingdom, rockers were often engaged in brawls with mods. BBC News stories from May 1964 stated that mods and rockers were jailed after riots in seaside resort towns on the south coast of England, such as Margate, Brighton, Bournemouth and Clacton. The mods and rockers conflict led sociologist Stanley Cohen to coin the term moral panic in his study Folk Devils and Moral Panics, which examined media coverage of the mod and rocker riots in the 1960s

Mods sometimes sewed fish hooks or razor blades into the backs of their lapels to shred the fingers of assailants; the same thing was done by Teddy Boys in the 1950s. Weapons were often in evidence; coshes, bike chains and flick knives being favoured. The conflict came to a head at Clacton during the Easter weekend of 1964.

Source: Mods and Rockers

Originally posted by nik1halo
A huge problem today is that due to the political correct crew, who have taken over the Western World, today's youth know that they cannot be disciplined for stepping out of line. There are no boundaries to their misbehaviours, right up to the point where they take it too far and someone gets killed and at the point, it's too late.

I can not fault this in any way, shape or form...well said and I agree 100%

All in all an excellent post...thankyou very much

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Originally posted by takethat
everything kids see influences the mind..and its just not kids..adults and oaps aswell.
One thing I heard on the news yesterday concerned me...about children having the MMR jab or to be expelled from school(in the uk). sounds a little cattle train to me.

I wanted to start a new thread about it but as this is my second post I had to include it here.

thoughts?

Welcome to ATS and I look forward to some of your future opinions .

Have the MMR jab or be excluded from school...no I haven't heard of this yet (I'm from the UK). It does seem like control to me "Take this, it's for your own benefit...but if you don't you will be punished"...very draconian.

Thankyou for taking part in our little discussion, but if I could ask you gently not to direct peoples attention away from the OP If you get involved you will reach your 20 posts in no time

reply to post by UnderstandingWisdom


I see your point about the mods and the rockers, but you could also argue that youths, even humans in general have always had a trend towards gang culture. We are a tribal race by nature and do tend to gravitate towards a particular group, especially if that group of people are culturally popular at the time. In this case, there happened to be 2 popular groups at the same time, with very opposing outlooks on life and totally opposing fashion sense. Some would say that it was totally inevitable for these 2 groups to clash. It is no different to 2 countries with opposing socio-political ideals going to war, just on a much smaller scale. It's unfortunate, but it's human nature I'm afraid.

The media at the time was only an influence on these 2 ideals and I'm sure that without it, at this time in history of new freedoms and no major war for the first time in half a century, they would have found something else to fight about.

I do totally agree that the media infuences people, but it is not the cause of social problems, more a symptom of poor parenting and a lack of moral substance.

In that view, I suppose you could ask yourself, does society emulate the media or does the media emulate society? In my experience, it is the manufactured media (X Factor, Celebrity Love Island etc) that are the more wholesome, light hearted aspects of the media, designed to dumb down the masses, rather than make them more agressive. It is media that comes from the people (Rap/rock music, You Tube, reality TV) that is generally the more agressive. The same could be said for Movies and video games. If there was no call for violence and sex in the market place, people wouldn't make them in the first place.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

reply to post by UnderstandingWisdom

The question..

What is it today that is making our youth become so insane...

This is something I've been observing for some time as the parent of a modern teen daughter.. a time that has scared me silly, made me reach deep within for strength and to always be on the back foot with what is "going on".

Some of the ideas I've come up with may sound a bit out there, so please bear with me.

We know small children need strong boundaries to feel safe, secure and loved. Yet the past 30 years parenting has undergone massive change that brought about an easing up of those boundaries, and so the children seemed to push forward in the hope of finding one. The bleeding hearts forced parent into diempowerment while empowering the children.

When few boundaries are present for them they may develop an over-abundance of nervous energy.. from not feeling Safe. Multiply that by 15 or 16 years and we might find many kids so filled with this nervous energy, that they become over-loaded by what we think of as normal life pressures.

Then add the tremendous amount of pressure children are under to develop and handle adult responsibilities when they aren't mature enough developmentally. Add also the peer pressure to fit into their Culture. The pressure to conform or fit into a group these day compared to 30 years is staggering.

Next is how children have become the targets for advertising these past 20 to 30 years.. as a mainstream push from advertising and business. It has driven the Modelling that is expressed in the younger kids culture.. and that modelling has led children to become mass consumers. Meaning they need Money to consume beyond what a family home should provide as basics necessities for children. So there is increased pressure to obtain money and consume as per the modelling in the media.

Now add the pressures of failing education systems in a time when getting a great job means you stay focused on education or you end up a virtual slave at the bottom of the pile.

in Japan there is so much pressure that kids are sent to holiday schooling to force them to perform better in the hope of getting that better job in a thinning future job market. Kids in Japan who can't take the pressure anymore are known to lock themselves into their bedrooms for years. this is called "Hikikomori". and in Japan it is rarelt spoken about by parents for fear of being in dishonour.

The same kind of pressures are applied to modern western children.. although not quite as militantly as it is in Japan.

Parenting children these past 30 years has been an interesting experiment. But, it is a failed experiment.

Kids fall into two main styles .. one is the Malleable child who will accept and follow rules, be productive in the family and in many cases do well at school.. the other is what I call Ruthless kids. These do not accept rules unless strong consequences will occur, they will deceive and manipulate information to get what they want.. then do it gain to get what they want next.. and manipulate parents who do not want to see their kids Unhappy.. that is the main tool in use against a parent.

Music has changed massively also these past 20 years. Music has always hinted at things like sex and occasionaly violence, but around 20 years ago it began morphing into something that just blurts it all out in the open.. no need to think about it to understand the hints. Nothing is hidden, there can be no surprise, no normal learning phase of life when the music you listen to tells you everything about everything in full detail.

Movies are the same. Over the past 20 years they have puta cross ideas no one would fream of showing kids before then. Ideas like.. kids can punish their parents whenever they want to.. it's okay to go out the window at night to hang out with older boys/girls.. do drugs.. drink, etc, and not have consequences because you got bad parents. You get my drift here folks.

We start off in life simply. We grow and learn at our own pace. It is our society that has pushed kids too far, put too much pressure on them, given them far too much personal power, far too much money, too much Free time without supervision and far too few unmoveable rules and boundaries for them with Consequences.

I think the American TV personality Dr. Phil has the right idea with Commando Parenting. A process that re-empowers the parents so that they act like Adults rainsing little human being to become balanced, healthy productive members of a healthy society instewad of spoiled brats demading everything and giving nothing in return but heartache.

If we really wan't to fix the problems kids are having now.. then we need to let them have a Childhood first. DOn't push them to become adults with adult concepts before they are ready.. let them be kids, and let them grow showing their strengths, let them grow in strong and safe boundaries so they can be happy and stress free.

Sorry to have rambled on this much, I didn't set out to at the start

reply to post by nik1halo

Originally posted by nik1halo
I see your point about the mods and the rockers, but you could also argue that youths, even humans in general have always had a trend towards gang culture. We are a tribal race by nature and do tend to gravitate towards a particular group, especially if that group of people are culturally popular at the time. In this case, there happened to be 2 popular groups at the same time, with very opposing outlooks on life and totally opposing fashion sense. Some would say that it was totally inevitable for these 2 groups to clash. It is no different to 2 countries with opposing socio-political ideals going to war, just on a much smaller scale. It's unfortunate, but it's human nature I'm afraid.

Well said and very eloquently put...

Originally posted by nik1halo
The media at the time was only an influence on these 2 ideals and I'm sure that without it, at this time in history of new freedoms and no major war for the first time in half a century, they would have found something else to fight about.

You are probably right when you say, "they would have found something else to fight about.". I'm not saying the media/medias start the fire only that they add the fuel to it, stir the pot as it were.

Originally posted by nik1halo
I do totally agree that the media infuences people, but it is not the cause of social problems, more a symptom of poor parenting and a lack of moral substance.

I haven't ever stated that the different medias are the cause of social problems, I'm merely pointing out that they are adding fuel to an already volatile situation.

Originally posted by nik1halo
In that view, I suppose you could ask yourself, does society emulate the media or does the media emulate society? In my experience, it is the manufactured media (X Factor, Celebrity Love Island etc) that are the more wholesome, light hearted aspects of the media, designed to dumb down the masses, rather than make them more agressive.

Does society emulate the media or does the media emulate society? Hmm...good one, I think it is abit of both to be honest, they kind of bounce off each other. It is only when we learnt how to develop etiquette and decorum, which couldn't have been achieved without intelligence, that we started to be civilised human beings and not barbaric cavemen. So in dumbing people down, taking away their intelligence (with these programmes you mention), we are mentally back-tracking back down the evolutionary ladder to our violent past.

Originally posted by nik1halo
If there was no call for violence and sex in the market place, people wouldn't make them in the first place.

Again this is true, both violence and sex release chemicals, in the brain and the body. This creates excitement but as we are slowly been desensitized to all acts of violence and sex, this excitement isn't enough, so we demand more hardcore stimuli, creating perpetual motion.

Thankyou again for this post, it's good food for thought...

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Thankyou very much Tayesin...excellent read

I'm glad that someone else has noticed this change in society of recent years (the last 20/30 years). Like I have said before, the medias aren't the cause for the pressures on modern people, only part of the cause, you can't really blame it any one specific cause or event.

This thread was designed to highlight one of these causes and to stimulate some conversation regarding this topic. Thankyou again for your contribution, and I look forward to your future responses

Originally posted by UnderstandingWisdom
This discussion is about the type and amount of different media available in the palm of your hand, where you can take it outside of the home away from prying eyes.

...that seems contradictory since you included exaggerations and falsehoods in your own posts, which is why more than a few posters addressed their responses to those specific points...

...are you saying ---- views that dont fall into the defined perimeters above are unwanted (unless they're your views)?... surely thats not what you meant - so, please, clarify...

...thx in advance...

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Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...you must have had a very sheltered upbringing and limited education because you're basing your awareness on either crap science or hearsay but certainly not reality...

I'm sorry Wyn Hawks...do you feel at little left out because no-one is responding to you? I didn't respond to your last post because of the personal attack you made...No-one (except you) has attacked anyone else on this thread, you yourself should be aware that this type of behaviour doesn't add anything to the discussion.

You obiously want some type of rise from me by poking me with a stick untill I bite So just for you, here is my bite (enjoy)...Firstly you don't really know anything about me, so saying I've had a very sheltered up bringing is just pure speculation. I mean come on you know nothing of my childhood and you are attacking my parents judgement (which brings nothing to this debate at all)...tut tut...I have to wonder your motives on this one.

Secondly, limited education, again your judgement on this one is so way off the mark, you don't know anything about my education, you don't which university I attended or what subjects I have degrees in.

Here is my 'crap science', as you so kindly put it...

In 1992, TV Guide commissioned a study of a typical 18-hour TV broadcast day to determine levels of violence. The networks and the more popular cable channels were monitored for "purposeful, overt, deliberate behavior involving physical force or weapons against other individuals." There were 1,846 acts of violence that broke down this way:

Cartoons 471
Promos for TV shows 265
Movies 221
Toy Commercials 188
Commercials for Films 121
Music Videos 123
TV Dramas 69
News 62
Reality Shows 58
Sitcoms 52
Soap Operas 34

Source:
www.cybercollege.com

Now this report was commissioned in 1992...18 years later and do you think these numbers have gone up or down?

And here is the 'heresay', you so boldly mentioned...

Over the years, there have been literally hundreds of studies examining the connection between media violence and violence in real-life, the results of which were summarized in a joint statement signed by representatives from six of the nation's top public health organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association, and the American Medical Association: "Well over 1000 studies…point overwhelmingly to a causal connection between media violence and aggressive behavior in some children. The conclusion of the public health community, based on over 30 years of research, is that viewing entertainment violence can lead to increases in aggressive attitudes, values and behavior, particularly in children."

Today, the connection between media violence and aggressive and violent behavior in real life has been so well documented, that for many, the question is settled. In fact, a position paper by the American Psychiatric Association on media violence begins by declaring: "The debate is over." According to Jeffrey McIntyre, legislative and federal affairs officer for the American Psychological Association, "To argue against it is like arguing against gravity."

Source: www.parentstv.org

As for you mentioning this is not based on reality...here are some responses to this thread from real people living in the real world.

Originally posted by Tayesin
The question..
What is it today that is making our youth become so insane...

This is something I've been observing for some time as the parent of a modern teen daughter.. a time that has scared me silly, made me reach deep within for strength and to always be on the back foot with what is "going on"...

And...

Originally posted by alien102
I am almost finished with my studies, and I have seen drastic changes between how we acted as year 7s and how year 7s are acting.

Something is definitely up... I have asked the teachers and they say the same thing (ruder, louder, more fights)

Now, just to ruffle your feathers alittle bit...here was my question:

Originally posted by UnderstandingWisdom
How can 13/14 year old parents have the mental stablity to teach another life how to have etiquette and decorum when they are still devolping it themselves? Let alone be aware of which material to watch or monitor.

and your response

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...how do you think we managed to get to this over-populated modern age?... do you think it was only females over 18 that were birthing and raising the future generations?...

Over populated modern-age, hmm, I don't believe we are over populated, this is a myth (do you work for TPTB?)...where is your proof, I know for a fact that the worlds entire population could live on the land mass of say...Austrailia (it's just basic mathematics).

Here is a thought experiment and a maths lesson (it's too early for this ...), If you allot 3 square feet of ground space per person (standing room only) they would take up 20,702,201,664 square feet (742 square miles - the same as a square 27.25 miles on each side). If each man, woman and child had a home with yard that took up 2500 square feet (50ft x 50ft) then the total space would be 618,824 square miles or 786 miles square. That is just a bit less than Australia's land area of 666,900 square miles.

Here is a visual representation of what I have been saying:

This I think deserves a thread in it's self. Alot of people seem to share your misconception of over-population...I'll see you over there

as for you saying...

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
do you think it was only females over 18 that were birthing and raising the future generations?...

No I dont think that...but that does not answer my question, the question was "How can 13/14 year old parents have the mental stablity to teach another life how to have etiquette and decorum when they are still devolping it themselves? Let alone have the aptitude and awareness of which material to watch or monitor...this was meant to be taken in the context of a modern era (last 10 years or so) and all the distractions and influences that are available today, these type of Influences and distractions just wasn't available to ealier generations.

Well theres the rise you was after, two thumbs up to you for trying distract this topic...Now back to your latest question.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...are you saying ---- views that dont fall into the defined perimeters above are unwanted (unless they're your views)?... surely thats not what you meant - so, please, clarify...

...thx in advance...

Again, no not at all, everyone has the right to an opinon whether right or wrong. I haven't once said that views that dont fall into the defined perimeters above are unwanted (these are your words not mine). If you have read yesterdays posts and replys you would have noticed that all comments where addressed, whether there were on topic or not and with 0 malice.

There is a sting in your tail isn't there? (rhetorical) Try not to attack me please, it brings nothing this topic, it's never been about me, it should ALWAYS be about the topic at hand...enjoy the rest of your day

While Theosophy, as instituted in Lucis Trust in the UN, is busy preparing for the NWO religions evolution to power, it's important to note their use of the following two-edged sword.

The Conquest of Illusion

This book is remarkable for its very clear exposition of the nature of illusion and the need to pierce its veil and find the reality that exists at every moment of time. “We always seek in the wrong direction,” says Dr. van der Leeuw, “we always want more time; we demand even endless time in our quest of immortality. Yet the infinitely greater Reality is ever ours to enter if we but will.”

www.katinkahesselink.net...

They seek to redefine our reality, and remould our society to a shaping best left to the descriptions of such lofty personages here as Protoplasmic. I've compiled a list in the past regarding their aims, but for the sake of the topic, I think the description can be left as a more generalized PTB agenda point.

PROTOCOL No. 12 : Control of the Press

real-world-news.org...

You won't be dissapointed by a glance back to the table of contents either.

THE PROTOCOLS OF THE WISE MEN OF ZION

real-world-news.org...

Also of background interest, this article.

Much of the television, radio and print media programming of today dwells on violence, sex and so-called taboo issues. The word is sensationalism. The more sensational, the better the reviews, the more money, the larger the audience and so on. Rather systematically over the past twenty to thirty years, the threshold of arousal has increased in the population, forcing an ever increasing thrust into areas of an explicit nature in order to maintain the sensational. Consequently, our inner talk, our fantasies, our very ideation has been influenced. This new tolerance for vengeance, anger, fear, violence, sexuality and so forth has tilted our society. Values have diminished to the point that we have younger generations without the proverbial "clue" as to what life is about. The world is for living and taking and minimizing pain while maximizing pleasure. Twelve-year-old children walk into school and gun down their teachers and school mates. Drugs, child prostitution, gang violence, drive-by shootings, and so forth are the chief worries of parents today. How did our society degenerate to this point? ...

www.innertalk.com...

reply to post by Northwarden

Thankyou very much for bringing this material to the thread, it is much appreciated

I was trying to stay away from the NWO and TPTB but...this is very fitting to the thread, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one convinced there has been a degradation of society for the past 20 or 30 years

Originally posted by Northwarden
You won't be dissapointed by a glance back to the table of contents either.

Yes I had alook at that...Re-education, Control of the Press, Distractions, Brainwashing and Instilling Obedience were very interesting reads and fitting to this topic (the bigger picture).

Please if you have anything else to add I would appriciate it.

reply to post by Wyn Hawks

Sorry to everyone else for the off-topic response, but this has to be said...

I have started a thread just for you, you special person:
Overpopulation SCAM

Go check it out you clever sausage, I would love to hear your thoughts