The Biggest Fraud In History ~ And We Have All Fallen For It! (Ultimate Conspiracy)

Originally posted by MurrayTORONTO
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I always loved Bill Clinton's quote.. "Sarah, there's a government inside the government, and I don't control it."
I can't find the vid for that but I originally saw it on youtube in one of his press conferences. You can find that quote on many websites as well.

Another vid to check out:

I would love to see that quote, if anyone can find it, that would be great!

The video you posted also verifies the aticle I posted a few post ago about how Jimmy Carter 'ivented' the taliban malitia. Anyone see the news article about US weapon sales to Saudi Arabia recently?

It mights as well read: 'Foreign Construction Projects Secured for Followind Decade'.

Its a Con folks: The Corporations amke money by Making weapons, then make money from Selling them, then make money by Using them, and then make money by Cleaning up after them. And at every stage they make money from interest and insurance policies. How? Because they are playing both 'teams', Good Vs Bad, East Vs West, N Korea Vs S Korea, Democracy Vs Communism etc etc. forever and ever. AMEN.

Originally posted by jean59
Thank you........

Very well presented...
A very good piece of investigative journalisim....s/f.

Investigative Journalist... nice title! I think that is how we should be trying to construct our threads here on ATS. It is all to easy to just post an article that has been written by someone else, but it dosn't actually mean anything. We need to be more original and put our ideas into writing and discuss and develop them.

We deserve the title more than most career journalist do. If you watch Starsuckers, you will see what I mean!

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Thanks for your great contributions on these threads! I agree with what you are saying entirely, the Bush family are key players and have been INSTRUMENTAL in pushing the globalist agenda.
What about Prescott?

Bush Family in WW2

I didn't want to delve too far into the past because my knowledge is limited, and most I have on the subject has been learned from 'conspiracy' documentaries. Not that I don't think the info is legit, jsut that I havn't had chance to check it out for myself and so dont want to back it.

Most of the info here I think is pretty solid so I finally decided to post it. Thankd for contributing instead of just stating you have 'been aware' of this for a long time. People say that, but they never bring forward material for us to disect. I will be in touch once I have new info!

Originally posted by Battleline
Another post on all the material that has been on every website on the internet for ever.

"I'm not going to make it easy for you"should have said something to you and if that did'nt get you thinking then "where to start" should have done it.

Same O same O.

Unfortuantely, not everyone in the world has had the opportunity to see all this information on the internet. What is your contribution if you know everything? You must have something else to share with us; being a wealth of intelligence.

I don't need to defend this material; I'm not the creator of it. I just like to research and learn new things and then share that knowledge with other people. I apologise though if I wasted 30minutes of your life reading this. But I think the potential gain is worth that potential loss.

Whre else can you find out about so may true, real life issues in one palce in 30minutes? American Idol? Dancing With the Stars? Fox News? Two and a Half Men?

reply to post by MRuss


You can't hide from these issues; they are real. Even if you try and ignore it, not only are you experiencing it all in your subconcious, but one day it will affect you directly, though it sounds like it already is.

Were all screwed? Why? You are still alive, YOU are a miracle of life just like every other living thing in the world is. As long as you are alive, it dosn't matter what is happening in the world. I know that it very easy to say until when you are in a really bad situatiuon, and sometime, I have to question myself as to whether I believe it or not, but:

How can you know what happiness is if you have never experienced sadness?
How can you appreciate warmth, if you have never experienced the harshness of the cold?
How can you appreciate the light, until you are in the darkest of dark places?
How can you apreciate the purpose of life until you have been on the brink of death?

All of these are true statements. These bloodscuking corporate leeches are reliant on you wanting things you don't need. Kick the bad habits.

All we need is fresh water, warmth, shelter and food. Thoug hit may be ahrd to get these things, most of us still have access to them so don' hide from these people and their actions, accept that it is happening and tell yourself you don't want to be a part of it, and live your life with constant wonder.

Take Care,

Carlitomoore

Originally posted by sheeplemama_awakening
Great to see such a collection of conspiracies in one place. Thank you!

So, 'we' know there's so many problems. How are the masses ever going to change? There's no hope for them. I've got them in my family - clothes horses, new car buying, every latest electronic gadget, news watching/believing, foreign country hating, celebrity following/worshipping, mindless... They don't want to change anything! So frustrating!

There is no obvious way to purge the corruption on this epic scale. I think that this leads so many into the excitement of wanting/wishing/hoping for some global catastrophic disaster. I'm one of them

Indeed, it is VERY frustrating. Thats why I keep my opinions to myself until I come here; a likeminded community.

What gets me is that msot people get up everyday to go to a job they hate, to earn money to buy things they don't need and then wait for the next pay check; inbetween just walking around like a zombie and watching TV.

Why? These people are not happy, so why do they do it? I think its because they have a fear of change and of things they don't understand. If they just took INTEREST in something else for a cahnge, they would realise the truth but sadly, their stuck; and it will take a big shock to the system to change their ways. We are creatures of Habit.

As for Global catastrophe, I know sometimes we DO anticipate it, even thoug hwe know it is wrong. I think it is some psycological urge, some primal instinct. Im sure if we still had minds like Freud and Jung around they would be talking about it. Its because we want change, but its going to be such a mnassive challenge we want the easy way out, in my opinion.

What we have got to do is fight it and hope for change. It will happen one day:

reply to post by Klassified


I agree completely; It just would have took a whole lot more time and patience to back ALL that up with evidence!

I look forward to seeing you around Klassified, I liked your post.

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by carlitomoore
So now we have all the background information, what does it all mean? Let’s Review:
1) It has been documented that the election that got Bush Jr. Into power was a fraud.
2) Bush is a Skull & Bones Member, which his dubious to say the least.
3) His family has some very interesting and REAL associations with big business and very powerful commercial people.
4) Election Campaigns are fraught with dubious donations; large sums of money from undisclosed foreign locations.
5) Bush has been implicated with a known terrorist.
6) The people around him at the time have all shared controversy in recent times.

Lol... After reading through your outline, I noticed that you turned 'your opinion into fact'. Sure some of the points you make are true, but the core argument being made is based upon assumptions.

It was based on facts yes, with me weaving it together into a theory. I stated that, and what exactly makes theory fact?

No, there is no documentation supporting 'your theory' that Bush Jr's election was a fraud.
No, Bush has not been implicated with being around a known terrorist.

Undisclosed donations from foreign sources, a photo and alleged meetings with a then to be arrested 'terrorist'; that is an 'implication' to me. An implication does not need to come from a federal source.

Finally, George Bush and his family are no longer in a significant position of power. Our NEW Republican/Tea-Party is an entirely different entity. It is time to move onward.

I stated that I believed the Bush family to be puppets, and the ones we are concerned about is those in the background. WHO ARE STILL THERE, and more than likely behind the Tea-Parties. But again, I had no evidence of that and wanted to keep it as factual as possible. If you have any information to share, please post it.

Keep your eyes open, but move onward to other things.

They are open; except when I am asleep. Then I open my 'third' eye.

Let the old bones rest.

Yes thats what I should be doing, but I still have to get up, go out and earn my wage to give to these people!

edit on 3-11-2010 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Hope that clears a few things up

Originally posted by Anthony1138

God cant exist, if he lets all this # happen, one last thing, since i was given conscienceness, i have noticed one thing "good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to good people" clearly "God" isnt on our side.

See one of my above posts. Not that I am preaching, but people use that remark a lot and I always disagree. It to me proves that there is a 'God' (I prefer simply the word 'reason'), because it proves that Aeon old law that the universe strives for Equilibrium. Things cannot be all 'Good', or the univers would be in disorder, and when looking at nature, all I see is order.

Never lose faith (not just in 'God'), it is a very special trait and it WILL be tested. I hate to fail tests

reply to post by WhiteDevil013


I THOROUGHGLY enjoyed your post. A 'Diamond In The Rough'. I havn't come across one in a long time. Where is:

Dog?
Floating?
Against Machine?
Traveller?
Teacher?

Must be early holiday season for the ATS elite!

Originally posted by agent violet
Immensely brilliant caliber of work there.

But looks like you may have uncovered too much. Hope you've been using a proxy...

I wouldn't know where to start! Who's that knocking at the door....

Yeah, got through the majority of the replies!

Let the discussion and more research commence!!!

reply to post by HYADEAN2025


in connection with JFK, Another book I purchased but have yet to read is "JFK And the Unspeakable, Why He Died and Why It Matters" by James W. Douglass. From just skimming through it, it proves to be a monumental read and a whopper of a conspiracy!

But, most people will not shell out money to buy political books - they keep buying "pretend stuff". The real deal, what is actually happened and is still going on is far more interesting and spell binding than the current list of top selling books in America.

Here are the top 10 books America is reading as of October 31, 2010

The Confession by John Grisham (Fiction/pretend)
Broke by Glenn Beck, Kevin Balfe (Political)
Life by Keith Richards (Rock Star's slutty life)
The Lost Hero (Fiction/pretend))
The Girl With The Dragon Tatoo by Stieg Larsson (Fiction/pretend)
Barefoot Contessa: How Easy is That by Ina Garten (Food)
Worth Dying For by Lee Child (Fiction/ pretend)
The Girl Who Played With Fire by Stieg Larsson (Fiction/pretend)
The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown (Fiction/pretend)
Christmas in Cedar Cove by Debbie Macomber (Fiction/pretend)

Source of above info: content.usatoday.com...

Americans need to put down their ipods, xboxes, fiction novels and remote controls and start researching as to who is doing what to them and their country.

The real story behind the assassination of John F. Kennedy is one hell of a conspiracy that would make any of the above fictional novels look boring - and it's the real deal.

But, Americans just want to keep those blinders on and I fear Obama is going the same route as Kennedy.

Possibly, he is upsetting the Republican apple cart, and you better not do that folks, because the big boys are all for profit and there is profit in war. And these guys play for keeps.

If a President doesn't dance to the tune of corporate America, first they try to smear and discredit you and if that doesn't work, they end up with either a bullet in their head or a "fatal accident".

What American's don't realize is that once you turn your back on actively researching who is doing what and what is really going on - you risk losing your government to a bunch of crooks which is what has happened.

Kennedy seeing where the cold war was leading us, towards nuclear annihilation, began to turn towards trying to come to peaceful settlements, to ward off the hostility that was building up. We came so close to WW3 at this time, it was nightmarish.

But, the military coupled with the CIA didn't want to see peace, they wanted more funding, more money, more power and you don't go against the military (and the many company elites that own the companies that profit from war)..............no, you don't dare threaten the war machine, you don't dare try to bring peace, there is no money or profit in peace.

Kennedy was assinated and a coup ensued, unbeknownst to the American People.

At the height of the Cold War, JFK risked committing the greatest crime in human history: starting a nuclear war. Horrified by the specter of nuclear annihilation, Kennedy gradually turned away from his long-held Cold Warrior beliefs and toward a policy of lasting peace. But to the military and intelligence agencies in the United States, who were committed to winning the Cold War at any cost, Kennedy’s change of heart was a direct threat to their power and influence. Once these dark "Unspeakable" forces recognized that Kennedy’s interests were in direct opposition to their own, they tagged him as a dangerous traitor, plotted his assassination, and orchestrated the subsequent cover-up.

Douglass takes readers into the Oval Office during the tense days of the Cuban Missile Crisis, along on the strange journey of Lee Harvey Oswald and his shadowy handlers, and to the winding road in Dallas where an ambush awaited the President’s motorcade. As Douglass convincingly documents, at every step along the way these forces of the Unspeakable were present, moving people like pawns on a chessboard to promote a dangerous and deadly agenda. Source back of book

The American people have been brain-washed to believe that anyone who hints that events in history, past or present, is a "Nut job"...if those people who pause for a moment and ask themselves WHO benefits from such a national mindset, they might reconsider their knee-jerk reaction and do some reading. This stellar book would be one such enlightening book. If the country does not come to terms with the powers that are not elected, stay in the shadows and wreck havoc, not only here, but across the world, we truly are doomed to having presidential assassinations and other horrific events to our republic. The comparison between those who hated JFK and now O'Bama, cause me to worry that we may witness such a tragic event yet again.

To be informed is forearmed.

To allow yourself to be distracted is to allow yourself to be enslaved.

Great work, glad to see someone putting the pieces of the puzzle together. People want to blame the Masons or ancient Rome for the current decline of our rights, middle class wealth, and standards of living, but the truth is much more obvious.

A clowder of fats cats who manipulate the markets by wearing the mask of IC entities, that enable them to hide from any and virtually all of the responsibilities for their actions, are the ones pulling the rug from underneath us. It is all too easy to blame the U.S. government for all that goes wrong, but the truth is that these ICs are all working together, and the clowder has established itself everywhere vast wealth is to be made.

They have not taken over the governments of the world just yet, and for the most part, the governments of the developed nations retain a significant enough degree of independence, and still be used as an effective tool against this clowder.

I was looking into these links when I found this thread.

en.wikipedia.org...

William Averell Harriman was born in New York City, the son of railroad baron Edward Henry Harriman and Mary Williamson Averell, and brother of E. Roland Harriman. Harriman was a close friend of Hall Roosevelt (brother of Eleanor Roosevelt).

Using money from his father he established W.A. Harriman & Co banking business in 1922. In 1927 his brother Roland joined the business and the name was changed to Harriman Brothers & Company. In 1931, it merged with Brown Bros. & Co. to create the highly successful Brown Brothers Harriman & Co.. Notable employees included George Herbert Walker and his son-in-law Prescott Bush.

www.enter.net...

The study of the past is beset by uncertainty. Experts on ancient inscriptions can easily get into arguments over whether or not two prominent people with the same name were actually a single individual. The student of modern history doesn't normally run into such problems because our lives today are so well documented. But suppose that most present-day records were to be lost in the course of time, leaving only a few semi-mythic narratives. In that case, future historians might well conclude that the only way to make sense of the twentieth century was by assuming that there were actually two Allen Dulleses.

One Allen Dulles, they would tell us, was the head of a powerful group of covert agents who served the great American Republic at mid-century. The other, who lived and worked slightly earlier, had been dedicated to promoting the interests of the Nazi Reich, which was the sworn enemy of the Americans. Despite the coincidence of names, there could obviously have been no connection between them.

W.A. Harriman & Co., formed in 1919 by Averell Harriman (son of railroad baron E.H. Harriman) and George Herbert Walker, had led the way in directing American money to German companies and had opened a Berlin branch as early as 1922, when Germany was still in chaos. At that time, Averell Harriman traveled to Europe and made contact with the powerful Thyssen family of steel magnates. It was to be a long-lasting and fateful partnership.

By 1926, W.A. Harriman was doing so well that Walker gave his son-in-law, Prescott Bush, the gift of making him a vice president. In 1931, W.A. Harriman merged with a British firm to create Brown Brothers, Harriman, and Prescott Bush became a senior partner. During the 1930's, Brown Brothers, Harriman would increasingly direct its clients' investments to German companies. The Rockefeller family was prominent among these clients, and Standard Oil developed particularly close connections with the chemical giant I.G. Farben.

It was into this heady atmosphere of high-level investments and financial manipulation that Allen Dulles entered when he joined the firm of Sullivan and Cromwell in 1926. He would become the lawyer for the Thyssens' Rotterdam bank and would also represent other German firms, including I.G. Farben.

However, there was a serpent in this businessmen's Eden, and its name was Adolph Hitler. August Thyssen's son and successor, Fritz Thyssen, was an enthusiastic supporter of Hitler and had been funding the Nazi Party since 1923. Other German industrialists would do the same. It is hard to say to what extent the American investors shared Thyssen's enthusiasm, though it seems likely that most of them were swayed less by ideology than by the prospect that Hitler would be good for business. Either way, the outcome was that many wealthy and powerful Americans wound up supporting a regime that would ultimately become their own nation's enemy, and investing in the very firms that would provide the core of that regime's military machine.

Early in 1933, both Dulles brother attended a meeting in Germany where German industrialists agreed to back Hitler's bid for power in exchange for his pledge to break the German unions. A few months later, John Foster Dulles negotiated a deal with Hitler's economics minister whereby all German trade with the United States would be coordinated through a syndicate headed by Averell Harriman's cousin.

It goes without saying that Harriman, Walker, Bush, and Dulles were morally tainted by their connections with German firms like Thyssen and I.G. Farben, since they both funded and profited from Hitler's crimes against humanity. However, their entire enterprise was corrupt in a more subtle sense as well, in that its very basis was financial fraud on an unprecedented scale. That would have been true even if Hitler had never come to power.

Sorry for the long quote. This an exceptional article. Allen Dulles was the first Director of the CIA, served on the Warren Commission, and created MKUltra.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.spiritus-temporis.com...

Following Dresser's death, his descendants decided to sell it, and in 1928 the Wall Street investment-banking firm of W. A. Harriman and Company, Inc., converted the firm into a public company by issuing 300,000 shares of stock.

en.wikipedia.org...

In 1998 Halliburton merged with Dresser Industries, which included Kellogg. Prescott Bush was a director of Dresser Industries, which is now part of Halliburton. Former United States president George H. W. Bush worked for Dresser Industries in several positions from 1948–1951, before he founded Zapata Corporation.

en.wikipedia.org...

KBR, Inc. (formerly Kellogg Brown & Root) NYSE: KBR is an American engineering, construction and private military contracting company, formerly a subsidiary of Halliburton, headquartered in Houston. The company also has large offices in Arlington, Birmingham and Dallas. After Halliburton acquired Dresser Industries in 1998, Dresser's engineering subsidiary, The M. W. Kellogg Co., was merged with Halliburton's construction subsidiary, Brown & Root, to form Kellogg Brown & Root. KBR and its predecessors have won many contracts with the U.S. military, including during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, World War II and the Vietnam War.

Brown & Root was founded in Texas in 1919 by two brothers, George R. Brown and Herman Brown, with money provided by their brother-in-law, Daniel Root. The company began its operations by building roads in Texas.

One of its first large-scale projects, according to the book Cadillac Desert, was building a dam on the Texas Colorado River near Austin during the Depression years. For assistance in federal payments, the company turned to the local Congressman, Lyndon B. Johnson. Brown & Root was the principal source of campaign funds for Johnson's initial run for Congress in 1937, in return for persuading the Bureau of Reclamation to change its rules against paying for a dam on land the federal government did not own, a decision that had to go all the way to President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, according to Robert A. Caro's book The Path to Power. After other very profitable construction projects for the federal government, Brown & Root gave massive sums of cash for Johnson's first run for the U.S. Senate in 1941. Brown and Root reportedly violated IRS rules over campaign contributions, largely in charging off its donations as deductible company expenses, according to Caro. A subsequent IRS investigation threatened to bring criminal charges of illegal campaign donations against Brown & Root, as well as Johnson and others. Roosevelt himself told the IRS to back off and allowed Brown and Root to settle for pennies on the dollar.

And Finally

www.globalresearch.ca...

KBR, or Kellogg Brown & Root, was a subsidiary of the Halliburton Corporation until 2007, when bad publicity and indictments against KBR forced Halliburton to sell its shares in KBR.1

KBR and Vietnam:

KBR, having financed Lyndon Johnson from the 1940s and into the Vice Presidential position, was rewarded after Kennedy’s assassination with lucrative contracts in the escalated Vietnam War. “Johnson, who became president in 1963 after Kennedy’s assassination and who was elected with broad support in 1964, used the Gulf of Tonkin incident,” in order to “justify the sending of ground troops into Vietnam. The result of that move was the need for billions of dollars worth of bases, airstrips, ports, and bridges. Enter Brown & Root.”2

With that, “In 1965, a year after Johnson stepped up America’s participation in Vietnam, Brown & Root joined three other construction and project management behemoths, Raymond International, Morris-Knudsen, and J.A. Jones to form one of the largest civilian-based military construction conglomerates in history.” That team of corporations was known as RMK-BRJ, which, “literally changed the face of Vietnam, clearing out wide swaths of jungle for airplane landing strips, dredging channels for ships, and building American bases from Da Nang to Saigon.”3 KBR, as a member of this joint conglomerate, was also contracted to build new prison cells in Vietnam, replacing the “horribly inhumane prison cells built by the French government 75 years earlier to hold prisoners.”4

This is another well written and researched article.

The Wall Street Conspiracy (Reinhardt’s Journal)

Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura

Couldn't have come at a better time!







Not watched it yet, this was aired last night. They contacted Reinhardt from Enterprise Corruption, and I think he gets a special mention. Can't wait for this!

Enterprise Corruption

Edit: Reinhardt thinks part three is the best... He predicted the 2008 Stock Market crash you know.... and provided the info on the CFTC.

here's a link about Kennedy's executive order in 1963 ....

concerns the Federal Reserve ....

www.john-f-kennedy.net...

I think I am right to suggest, the majority of us in the UK have always known the US is driven by money, greed and corruption. Hey, it goes on in the UK as well. That's capitalism for you.

Could the title of the post perhaps be changed to, "some of us" have fallen for it. Because I am certainly not blinkered.

[edit to add "thats capitalism" remark]

Part 4 of Wall Street Conspiracy with Jesse Ventura:



I have just watched the first three parts, and it fits with this thread like a hand in a glove. Thanks R!

I think part two of this thread will be following shortly....

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I agree, a whole lot of us saw the collapse coming, and there will be more. The whole market right now is just a lot of hot air.

I don't think most Americans are driven by "money, greed and corruption", only a small percentage who screw things up for everyone else.

reply to post by carlitomoore


There is more than one U.S. government, there are several. In the executive branch alone there is the military, the secret service, and the Federal Reserve who have a great deal of independence for the President. All of the agencies are staffed by people who in there positions for long careers as different administrations come and go.

It is getting more and more difficult for a new president, or even a second term president to seize control of power.