Churchers...are you are so indoctrinated, you can't even count to six?

reply to post by NOTurTypical
NOTurTypical.

Yahweh and Yahshua are one. Yahshua was the man Jesus with the Father in Him. 2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Yahshua wan't another God but was God with us, the Father. The Holy Spirit is not another God either. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 1 Jn 5:7 is correct and the Bible is adamant that there is but One God.

True the Holy Sabbath day was a far more strict event in the old covenant than when Jesus came and took away some of the excess binding. However it doesn't lessen the fact to keep it Holy it must not be desecrated by our minds and hearts drawn out on some other matters, pleasures etc. that man wants to get into. The time must be dedicated with our hearts dwelling with Him for strength for another six days. That special day He is with us in a special way. Rest from the cares of this world and it's pleasures of sin. We need that rest. We need to keep it in sync. with Heaven. Enoch says the Sabbath was kept in Heaven before earth and carried into earth that we would worship God together with the Angels.

Truthiron.

Good read Truthion:

Colossians 2

Originally posted by truthiron
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

NOTurTypical.

Yahweh and Yahshua are one. Yahshua was the man Jesus with the Father in Him. 2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Yahshua wan't another God but was God with us, the Father. The Holy Spirit is not another God either. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 1 Jn 5:7 is correct and the Bible is adamant that there is but One God.

True the Holy Sabbath day was a far more strict event in the old covenant than when Jesus came and took away some of the excess binding. However it doesn't lessen the fact to keep it Holy it must not be desecrated by our minds and hearts drawn out on some other matters, pleasures etc. that man wants to get into. The time must be dedicated with our hearts dwelling with Him for strength for another six days. That special day He is with us in a special way. Rest from the cares of this world and it's pleasures of sin. We need that rest. We need to keep it in sync. with Heaven. Enoch says the Sabbath was kept in Heaven before earth and carried into earth that we would worship God together with the Angels.

Truthiron.

Hold on, when have I ever said there are 3 Gods? That's "polytheism" and i know of no Christians who think there are 3 Gods.

Secondly, read Colossians 2. Paul says the former things (Sabbaths, feasts, holy days, new moons) were just shadows of the things to come in Christ Jesus.

We have Christ Jesus now, and have for almost 2,000 years. HE is our rest now..

every day of the week, not just on Saturday.

reply to post by NOTurTypical
NOTurTypical,

I was just making it clear how I saw the Godhead, didn't really think about how you believed as I don't recall you made any statement of that. You did that all I refered to was Yahweh. It is good to see you have a right understanding on that as many don't. Many I find do hold there are 3 co-existent co-equal Gods in the Godhead.

On Paul in Col. 2:, I feel it is evident Paul is not condeming the observance of the Holy seventh day Sabbath knowing what he put forth in Heb. 4:4-9. Again what was done away with was the ordinances of sacrifices that pointed to the Lamb of God that were fulfilled then. Col. 2:16, I believe Paul was schooling them about how they where overdoing it about new moons and the other Sabbath days and "days" is used there, not "day". The Jews at that time it seems were overboard about that. It easy to see some things Paul said are controversial if we are not careful to check him out in other writtings. Don't get me wrong, I like Paul's writtings but a lot of people don't. There is a lot of Christians that keep the festal Sabbaths that the moon is the timing for them. The seventh day Sabbath is deternined by solar day count. Yahshua, Yahweh established the seven day week.

The weekly Sabbath was brought up in this thread and how he had discounted the Sunday. To me the main thrust was the weekly Sabbath and will leave that one of the Sunday to others.

I will not respond any further on this thread.

Truthiron.

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You're still not understanding what Paul said. He said all those things were a "shadow of things to come" in Christ Jesus. Those who are born again and in Christ Jesus rest daily in Him. In Exodus when God gave the commandment for the Sabbath He said every man was to stay inside his home and "do not come out." So for certain folks to say they honor the Sabbath solely by their practice of leaving their house to gather in worship is absurd, and by practice a direct violation of the Sabbath.

It's my contention that we should worship God every day of the week and not just one day. Gathering with other believers on ANY day of the week for fellowship and corporate worship is just that, a gathering of like-minded believers. It shouldn't matter, for there are 7 days in a week that we should be worshiping God, not just one.

reply to post by shoulda taken the blue pi
shoulda taken the blue pi,

While a lot of folks may disagree with your thread of the time Jesus was in the grave. It is very clear that Sunday is not a special day and no way could be the weekly Sabbath. He, Jesus didn't change it and never will, the scripture is clear there is no changing His Word and especially His Commandment. The weekly Sabbath is special because He is in it to be in the midst of those who love Him and will do His will, their will being with His.

Yes we worship Him every day or we would fall away. We only stay on "top" if we stay "connected".

The weekly Sabbath is the time which He has set for us to have "Church" as only the Presence of the High and Holy One constitutes church.

Christians who do find real edification.

Truthiron.

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The weekly Sabbath is the time which He has set for us to have "Church" as only the Presence of the High and Holy One constitutes church.

God never commanded the Sabbath to be a day to gather for "church". The "church" was never born until Acts, secondly God commanded the Sabbath as a day of REST and to stay inside everyone's home: (Exodus 16:29)

"See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day."

People who claim to "keep the Sabbath", by leaving their homes and gathering for church by DEFINITION violate the Sabbath. The ONLY times people were ordered to go to the Temple on the Sabbath was 3 times a year all men over the age of 20 were to go to the Temple on feast days.


Secondly, the Lord Jesus Christ is present ANYTIME two or more believers are gathered together in His name.:

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

Matthew 18:20

er, nevermind. I should've read the whole thread.

reply to post by RapturedNotBeamed
RapturedNotBeamed,

It is apparent that it wasn't in the New Testament only, just wasn't called church. Sabbath worship of God wasn't a new institution that Jesus carried out. God was always present in the tabernacle of Mose's day and they came in each Sabbath.

Mr 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
Ac 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Ac 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Lu 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Le 1:1 And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,

The church was the tabernacle back then.

Truthiron.

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Yeah I know, that's why I edited my post. I was reading out of context and my post reflected that.

reply to post by RapturedNotBeamed
RapturedNotBeamed,

Hey sorry, my reply was meant to be for NoturTyical's post. I see you dropped a reply.

Truthiron.

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All those verses you presented show that the people gathered in the synagogue or tabernacle. I don't see a single verse from the Lord commanding them to be there. I did however post Exodus 16:29 which is a passage where the Lord is commanding the people to rest and not leave their homes on the Sabbath.

The OT is chock full of examples of the Hebrews acting contrary to God's commands.