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reply to post by NoRegretsEver

Simulation

This probably could have been 3-4 threads rather than just one. There's a bit much to discuss here.

Regarding behavioral prediction, I propose that another knowing how you will react does not need to be your problem. Choosing how you will react is far more important. For example, let us say that your nature is to choose to be honest, to choose to be honorable, to choose to speak and act with integrity...how does it harm you for someone else to know that you will react honestly, honorably and with integrity? Is a husband harmed by an accurate behavioral prediction that his wife will be loyal? Is a wife harmed by an accurate behaviorial prediction that her husband will love her? Harm is only introduced when there are sufficient chinks in one's psychological armor that others are able to manufacture external forces in such a way as to engineer responses from you that you do not wish. You may not be able to control what sort of external forces others attempt to apply upon you. But you will always be able to choose your reaction. It behooves us to develop character such that regardless of any external force, our inclination is to react in a manner that we will be pleased with.

reply to post by NoRegretsEver


Ya I watch way to many movies but there are so many out there in my opinion that show what consequences are involved in the path we are going. The funny thing is that you mention how we just give are information away on websites and you 100% right. It's like a sick joke that we actually have been tricked into this sort of thing. Now I always see criminals being caught because of things they have put on their Facebook pages such as their status updates and all the other stuff that people willingly just give up. Now even our phones can track us and gain more information from us like where we go or are at the moment. There are obviously more ways we give our private info out but these are the most common ones I have noticed. You can bet that all the information people just give away is being put on database there are literally rooms of just databases and the capabilities are getting better and better.

Here's an article on how big they are getting
features.techworld.com...

Here's a video for visuals

the best thing about this thread is that it was suppose to be about a virtual world but it doesnt present any evidence about it

if you work in this computing area, you would know that there is no way to create a copy of yourself inside a computer (to this day)

in the future, we will be able to create an universe so real as this ... so, in the future it will be another thing

right now, they can create simulations but these simulations are not real, they are just programmed events based on math and close observation ...

man, every corporation/company/new busines hires people to make simulations; lets say you want to start a business; you need to check if your system is able to provide for every user, so, you make a simulation, but thats all about math, probability, and study of our world ....thats not a COPY of yourself, thats sci fi, that only in some years we may be able to talk about

The information that I presented is not done or used by a simple website company, this is owned and created for the use of The Department of Defense. As we already know the information and technology that is out there can change our present computer system, is not directly sold at a computer conference, but is sold to the highest bitter to places like the DOD and DHS.

When you are behind a screen and controlling a character, you are that "character". I bought this topic up for those that understand that everything that we see in front us, is not always what it seems.


Peace, NRE.

Now this was compiled back in 2005. Do you think that they would have upgraded by now?

Privacy Groups Sound Warning on Homeland Security Database

Here are just some of the things the Homeland Security Department wants in its database: information about people on watch lists with possible links to terrorism, information about ongoing law enforcement investigations, financial information, intelligence information, data from media reports or commercial databases that are, quote, "appropriate to identify and assess the nature of scope of terrorist threats to the homeland." David Sobel, general counsel for the Electronic Privacy Information Center, thinks the government's appetite is insatiable.

Mr. DAVID SOBEL (Electronic Privacy Information Center): This has now become fairly routine within the Department of Homeland Security. Basically, vacuum up every piece of information that they can get their hands on and then exempt themselves from the requirements of the Privacy Act.

FESSLER: He says similar exemptions exist for a database of individuals prohibited from flying or who need additional scrutiny at the airport. He finds the new proposal equally disturbing.

Mr. SOBEL: For instance, a citizen who has information about him or herself in this database is not entitled to get access to that information and is not entitled to correct any inaccurate information contained in the database. And those are very fundamental rights under the Privacy Act.

FESSLER: The Homeland Security Department would not provide any official to speak on tape about the database. But a spokeswoman calls the agency's proposal a standard national security exemption. The database will be used by the Homeland Security Operations Center, which monitors incidents around the country to determine if there's a potential threat. James J. Carafano of The Heritage Foundation says allowing public scrutiny would undermine those efforts.

Mr. JAMES J. CARAFANO (The Heritage Foundation): That's simply not the way we've ever operated in the realm of national security, that everybody needs to know everything, gets to judge if it's appropriate or not. I mean, let's be realistic. We have lots of classified databases in the federal government.

FESSLER: In fact, he says, much of the information compiled by the operations center will come from those databases. But privacy advocates say the Homeland Security plan is much broader. David Sobel notes that the department wants to be exempt from a Privacy Act requirement that the information collected be relevant and necessary.

This isn't a sign of what we are going to see in the future, this is in the past, and in the present. I'm not telling anyone to think about the Sci-Fi channel when viewing this, this is right now, and this only what we know about, I'm more concerned with what we dont know.

Simulation right now is the closest that they can get to real people, but if used with actual information, this can be dangerous, I am in NO way saying that people are living in computers, thats ridiculous, but our likeness is, our activities are, our lifestyles are.
www.npr.org...
Peace, NRE.

Originally posted by schuyler
Garbage In, Garbage Out. You really think a "simulator" driven by a computer program can accurately predict behavior of billions of people? The US military has alredy mapped the entire world and knows where every footpath in every jungle is, yet they can't win a war. Don't worry; they'll mess this up.

we could all BE in a simulatior already though. What if we ARE the avatars?

Yes, well I bleieve its a hollographic/interactive/school/universe already. They can't do much else to it. Becuase true Higher Ups watch over. This idea stems from their black op research, I recall Sleeper saying even humans could with the right technology could force souls kicking and screaming into "bodies" on his forum.

But permission are not just given, and negatives don't have power over Love.

Even with this information out there, we are simply not understanding or differentiating between computer, video games and real life. As a people we have failed to see the integration of simulation amongst each other due to our lives being run by technology.

This has been going on for a very long time, and we were the test subjects all along. We willing payed our own money, to subscribe to be observed and reported upon. And based on their findings, we are the best subjects to control, as long as we get some points, achievements, and upgrade past our friends online.

Xbox controllers used in the millitary – life mimicking art?

If you’ve played either of the recent Call of Duty “Modern Warfare” games, you’ll be aware of the disturbingly realistic air attacks you can carry out on other players it seems that the grainy monochrome footage is easy to mimic on an Xbox 360 or PS3. The first time I saw footage like this was on CNN during the first Gulf war. It was horrible. Today, most kids will associate footage like this with harmless play, massively dissociated from reality. I really recommend taking a look at both videos – the similarities are staggering.

The army later confirmed that this was indeed real hardware, though, somewhat amusingly, were quick to point out that they had removed the Microsoft branding. There are some more examples of game console controlers used in the military here, here and here.

A spokesperson from Rayethon (An American defence system manufacturer – who make cruise missiles among other things) was quoted here as saying “We feel we have to take advantage of the fact that all the kids are growing up with video games”. In the same article, another system vendor was quoted as proudly stating “If you can use an Xbox, you can use this”.

www.90percentofeverything.com...

They saw that we could not distinguish between the both. They knew that if they made it seem fun, that we would willingly become part of anything that had to do with gaming. What they didn't mention is that if it every became out of control, we wouldn't know the difference.

Peace, NRE.

First) Something like that DoD sim is done privately now and any of us can get info from the company. I may ask a question and find out how it works. Any suggestions?

Second) There is an article in the journal, Nature, which discusses the tech and science behind such an endeavor.
Nature Article
A comment there directed me to this civilian company, which does this sort of modeling/simulation already.
Anthropology company with simulations

Paraphrased from their site: anthropologists understand culture. Culture is the template people use to guide them in their lives. If a person's culture, from the meta to the micro, is known, it is possible to have a peek into their future as to how they will react to events. Meta means the big issues in our life, like gender, beliefs, education...micro is like cat owner, beach goer, reader. They have over 11 million people digitized into avatars in their sim and over 5 petabytes of information. (that is huge) Each person is sort of tagged with their own personal info, from their choice of music, pets, clothing style, food...and also how they are likely to react to a given stimulus. And yes, they did do zombie plagues, Gulf oil/methane disaster scenarios, food shortages and all for practice.

I contacted them and asked about the whole privacy deal. They sort of "code" who the people are to keep privacy. I can't confirm this, but it seems our alphabet friends tried to take the data, now this is my conjecture based on some of what they said to me. Their programs and data would be totally valuable to those who want this sort of info, but they safeguard it and the info they have is only voluntary.

What would you want to know if you had this sort of ability to find out the future? I'm going to ask one.

Originally posted by starwarsisreal
so that means i'm at a stimulation? Does that includes my school, parents, friends, families etc? How did they get all the info of so many others I mean it will take a long time do this

No, 'you' are not in a simulation.

The program uses individual behavioral nodes based off of statistical analysis, case studies, and surveys. Each node attempts to simulate a person in constructed scenarios. In essence, it's a nonlinear simulator - like SPICE (an circuit simulation program). Only on a much larger scale, and rather than electronic circuits and discreet components, human society is emulated, instead.

The problem with any nonlinear simulator is the overwhelming complexity involved. An example of nonlinear design challenges is the simple propeller of an airplane. As it would turn out - there is no perfect design, some values have to be arbitrarily established to allow you to move forward with design. Things are also complicated by the nuances of values - practical limitations instead of ideal operation.

So, no - 'you' do not really exist in this simulation. That is hype on the part of the article. What exists are businesses, individuals (with routines, wants/needs, etc), social groups, etc. Nothing is really intended to be a 'clone' of this world. Each individual node references its base parameters - is it hungry? Thirsty? Are those resources readily obtainable? What about the status of the nodes it is considered 'friends' with? How about the other nodes in the daily presence of this node?

Take businesses, people, and organizations and reduce them to the fundamental logic that governs our daily routines, lives, and decisions. Then use statistics and historical examples to compensate for the not-so-logical things (excessive debt, irresponsible personal/financial/social behavior, group-think, etc). That is pretty much what this is about. There doesn't exist enough processing power to try and simulate actual people on such a scale. Not to mention the majority of our lives is completely irrelevant to the goal of the model, and not worth attempting to simulate.

reply to post by RayTheWizardLiotta


I was thinking about the way we give our info away the other week.The uk govt tried to get ID cards into law a few years ago and not many people like the idea. But now they dont need to create the ID cards because many of us have our own on facebook.

reply to post by Aim64C


good post

thats the problem with the so called journalism ... sensationalism, the guys write anything to get money, so, if you are not into the subject, you probably will be fulled

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What do you think about those smart phones they have these days. Those are pretty much all they need to keep track of you with all the capabilities they have. If you look at who supports these phones like android it's the all powerful database Google. These phones can give your position away just by taking a picture or typing it in the Facebook applications because Facebook actually has an application that you tell people where you are. Apparently your friends can find you at any given time with the GPS it has as well.