5000 People Block Oil Vessels - Peru

5000 People Block Oil Vessels - Peru

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At noon on Sunday, October 24, thousands of people took oil giant abuse matters in their own hands after years of continual leaking crude oil affecting their health and safety. They closed the passage of vessels for the important Amazon River, at height of the Puerto Orlando community.

Indigenous Peruvians of the upper Maranon basin, Nauta district achieved what their neighbors to the north in the US have not come near doing after the world's greatest oil spill and public health catastrophe that occurred six months ago in the Gulf of Mexico.

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This story is exemplary. When people come together, non-violent acton can be very effective.

Is there something we can learn from this, I wonder? It seems to me that we need is the collective will to do something.

It reminds me of something I read a while ago which said that the criminal powers will be brought down through millions of different people taking millions of different actions.

Perhaps the tide of apathy is starting to turn? The French are fighting back, the Peruvians are fighting back, Europe is planning mass bank withdrawals, UN announced a moratorium on geoengineering today. Time for everyone to start to get involved?

I think it's important that we remember to post all this kind of news far and wide.


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(visit the link for the full news article)

I am very happy to see this happening. I hope ramifications like this are going to start springing up everywhere.

reply to post by wcitizen


I'm curious. If Oil production were to cease today, billions would starve to death. What is your personal sollution to that?

We are all opposed to damaging our environment and we are all angered by bad companies who do bad things, but I never see an alternative plan.

We know that alternative means of energy production do not yet exist and are decades away. What is your plan for replacing the energy needs in the meantime? How do you feed the World? How do you transport the necessities? If you don't, who decides who dies and who lives?

reply to post by wcitizen


The French are rioting over government handouts. How is that noble?

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by wcitizen

 

I'm curious. If Oil production were to cease today, billions would starve to death. What is your personal sollution to that?

We are all opposed to damaging our environment and we are all angered by bad companies who do bad things, but I never see an alternative plan.

We know that alternative means of energy production do not yet exist and are decades away. What is your plan for replacing the energy needs in the meantime? How do you feed the World? How do you transport the necessities? If you don't, who decides who dies and who lives?

Actually, I have to disagree with you. All the technologies exist and could start to be implemented tomorrow if the patents weren't being suppressed. Unfortunately, literally hundreds of alternative energy, free, clean energy patents have been bought up by the oil/energy cartels so they can't be used. Some have tried to circumvent their power by refusing to sell their patehts/technology, and have been tormented, ruined, threatened and even killed.

If we were able to instigate a massive oil boycott, perhaps we could demand those patents be released.

reply to post by wcitizen


OK, how do you feed the world while they starve to death?

Do you have links to reliable alternatives that will work in all environments so I can purchase them and have them installed?

Wind won't work except in very limited regions.

Solar won't work because the sun, it does not shine everywhere nearly enough with the low efficiency of what's currently available.

Do you propose we just let the world starve while we transition, assuming these energy alternatives are actually ready for market today this moment? I'm not talking about the future. I'm talking about today.

reply to post by Blaine91555
Get your hands dirty.

Grow a garden.

Look at how it was in the past,nobody missed all of this technology before it existed.

reply to post by chiponbothshoulders


You must be very young and naive?

Get my hands dirty. I was raised on Farms and Ranches. I've washed dishes. I've pumped Diesel. I've built two houses. I've worked on Oil Rigs. I worked in Construction for years and became a Journeyman Industrial Electrician. I've been to College twice and paid for it myself with no loans and no handouts. I grew up dirt poor. I created a business with less than $200 in my pocket and I employ and support multiple families.

Get my hands dirty! What have you done?

How about your plan to feed the world? Share it with me?

I'll go away OP. My only intent was to point out how complex this problem is. We have 6.7 billion people on Earth and only limited arable land. We must get maximum yield from every acre to feed these people and modern Farms get 30 times the yield per acre than they did when I was born. Farming at the level needed to feed these people means Tractors, Trucks, Harvesters, Irrigation Systems, Wells, Fertilizers, Insect Control. Then you have to get the food to these people which means, road's, train's, truck's, Aircraft and some way to fuel them.

I often see these naive idea's that we can just stop using Oil but never does anyone have a plan to do it. Never!

As the other person said, I can just grow my own food, which I can and have years of experience doing. Do I do that and be happy while the elimination of all the things that require energy causes billions to suffer the agonizing death of starvation?

The Sierra Club has no plan.
The Greenpeace bunch has no plan.
Who has a plan???????????

Please think about that.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by wcitizen

 

OK, how do you feed the world while they starve to death?

Do you have links to reliable alternatives that will work in all environments so I can purchase them and have them installed?

Wind won't work except in very limited regions.

Solar won't work because the sun, it does not shine everywhere nearly enough with the low efficiency of what's currently available.

Do you propose we just let the world starve while we transition, assuming these energy alternatives are actually ready for market today this moment? I'm not talking about the future. I'm talking about today.

I honestly don't get your drift, nor am I particularly enjoying communicating with you because I find your tone unpleasant.

There is no need for people to starve in a transition period, there is enough fossil fuel to keep things going until the new technology kicks in.

There is enough food for everyone once the greedy corporations get their hands off everything. We would eat locally produced and manufactured goods until things get going again.

Food and essentials would be free. That is imminently possible once the gangster criminal banksters are no longer stealing from everyone.

There are plenty of solutions.

Your alternative seems to be to allow ourselves to be murdered slowly by TPTB.

If you want to find out more about the patents which are suppressed - and which involve neither solar nor wind power, do your own homework. I'm not here to do it for you.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
I'll go away OP. My only intent was to point out how complex this problem is. We have 6.7 billion people on Earth and only limited arable land. We must get maximum yield from every acre to feed these people and modern Farms get 30 times the yield per acre than they did when I was born. Farming at the level needed to feed these people means Tractors, Trucks, Harvesters, Irrigation Systems, Wells, Fertilizers, Insect Control. Then you have to get the food to these people which means, road's, train's, truck's, Aircraft and some way to fuel them.

I often see these naive idea's that we can just stop using Oil but never does anyone have a plan to do it. Never!

As the other person said, I can just grow my own food, which I can and have years of experience doing. Do I do that and be happy while the elimination of all the things that require energy causes billions to suffer the agonizing death of starvation?

The Sierra Club has no plan.
The Greenpeace bunch has no plan.
Who has a plan???????????

Please think about that.

You are saying people are naive but you seem to have very little information about the possibilities which exist. It is complex in some ways, yet incredibly simple in others.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by wcitizen

 

The French are rioting over government handouts. How is that noble?

The French are rioting about the increasing facism and stripping of their rights, and the pension issue has become the catalyst.

If you consider pensions to be government handouts, you're free to do so. I personally believe people have worked all their lives for their pension - it's not a government handout, it's prepaid by the people themselves through years of working and having billions of their money taken by the gubberment.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by wcitizen

 

I'm curious. If Oil production were to cease today, billions would starve to death. What is your personal sollution to that?

We are all opposed to damaging our environment and we are all angered by bad companies who do bad things, but I never see an alternative plan.

Wait just a minute.... are you implying that its ok when disasters like the gulf oil spill occur? My alternative plan would be that the certain oil companies stop lobbying away the safety of our ecologies...

If they had done that, there wouldnt be such a native backlash... but they don't give a damn, It doesnt matter if its in the Niger Delta, the Gulf of Mexico, or in Peru.... they have done nothing but rape as much as they can with as least concern they can have, as opposed to truly giving two shakes about what they are doing..

I understand this backlash, I really do.

reply to post by wcitizen


It is the only way it will change. Also, we are part of the system that infringes on others. Our jobs sometimes depend on it. We should yield to this type of power of the people when in our job capacity and find a reason to allow interference in performing those jobs.

reply to post by Blaine91555


i Think that if you did some research into free energy devices they are out there, and you can green deserts, run your house and transport wherever yo like for free.

Do you really think they would let you in on this so that they could start making less money than they already do? NO.

reply to post by Blaine91555

I often see these naive idea's that we can just stop using Oil but never does anyone have a plan to do it. Never!

Right, and guys like yourself who are so invested in the current system will surely not be the ones to develope alternatives.

Those with ideas are just going to have to start doing things differently. A plan and strategy may develope with experience about what works and what doesn't. The time for talking has long past, and its time for doing.

I read some of the other articles on that linked site and its absolutely astonishing the dirty tricks that well known companies are up to -- Chevron in Peru for example getting involved in sabotage to avoid having to pay for their years of polluting the local rivers. We can't continue to support the old oil industries. They are doing no-one any good except themselves but at every one else's expense.

You can moan all you want that there are no alternatives, but unless we just get down to doing things differently then we are going to completely destroy the only world we have to live in.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


I believe the point blaine was trying to make was that if we do away with the oil industry, it will leave billions jobless.
Just look at how many Ex-Circuit City employees are STILL unemployed.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Okay, I'll have to cut off yer bullcrap right there. Because really...

I'm curious. If Oil production were to cease today, billions would starve to death. What is your personal sollution to that?

First of all, it's soLution with one L. Second, what you just did was employ a straw man. First we have your ridiculous observation that the protests are about oil production. WRONG. It's about what the oil production in the hands of a very few people across the world does to the rest of the people, it's about these few people who magically have the right to all the profits with close to nothing shared. Billions would starve to death? Try again. Billions already live on less food than you eat in a week.

OK, how do you feed the world while they starve to death?

There are plenty of people starving as we speak and type on our (relatively) expensive computers. But wait, nothing has changed about the oil production! So why talk about feeding starving people in an imaginary situation when we can't feed starving people NOW, with all the technology we have.

Get my hands dirty. I was raised on Farms and Ranches. I've washed dishes. I've pumped Diesel. I've built two houses. I've worked on Oil Rigs. I worked in Construction for years and became a Journeyman Industrial Electrician. I've been to College twice and paid for it myself with no loans and no handouts. I grew up dirt poor. I created a business with less than $200 in my pocket and I employ and support multiple families.

Good for you. You had the chance because you happened to live in a place in the world where you had this chance. So bragging about it without realizing the former sentence just shows part of your character. Superiority complex is a b.

People should really educate themselves on the global energy crisis before they start to antagonize the industries. Yes, there has been a lot of negligence and controversy in the industry itself. But there ARE solutions.
Nuclear for one ...
but what does propaganda say about nuclear energy here in the states?...despite the fact European nations are rushing to build more reactors and powering their cities with it already?

I don't have a problem with the Peruvians protesting contamination...this is something that should be immediately addressed. I imagine that regulatory agencies there aren't doing their jobs, assuming they function at all.