Plan To Send A Message To TPTB

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
reply to post by hawkiye

 

And as Ghandi said - "Be the change you want to see in the world."

So how do you get 150+ million people (the "thinkers") to mobilize for a single idea?

I'm seeing how starting with smaller more localized movements would work, but one obstacle I see there is the cities. In small towns and counties, it would be easier to get people to pick a good-ol boy from the area who will stick up for them against the Fed and others. But the cities are much harder to win because of diversion of people and their perception of things. How could you take the same "posse" approach in the bigger cities where much larger portions of the voting public exist? You would need to convince them as well.

~Namaste

Well as I have said you have to set an example. If you knew of a place where this was working would you consider moving there? The hard part is getting it started and working. Once that happens then people will flock to it to be free. The cities will come along later as they see the success of the smaller communities. This is why I have said it will not happen over night or all at once. Someone has to create a working model first and that is a monumental task. It seems impossible and that is why all you hear is why it won't work from all the nay sayers.

That is why I say it could take a hundred years to fully implement. But someone or group has to initiate it and stay focused on it come hell or high water, and it could take more then on lifetime to fully realize its completion.

edit on 29-10-2010 by hawkiye because: corrections

So what do you propose would get the ball rolling on something like this at the local levels? I kind of see where you are going with this and agree on many of your points... it's almost as though you're saying to build a silent movement that grows and by the time there is enough knowledge to try and stop it, there will be enough communities and people involved that it will snowball and TPTB won't be able to stop it. How do you plant that seed all across the country in the smaller communities? How do you create the initiatives that would be shared and agreed on by those communities so that there is a coherent form of governance forming that could eventually replace the broken forms of governance today? Wouldn't there have to be some "handing off of the baton" between the old to the new and wouldn't that be the point of a clash?

Just tossing your idea around and looking to further this discussion because I think it's critical that all of these questions be answered if people are going to feel secure in making a change like this. I hope others will get involved but this thread isn't attracting enough serious minded folks yet, but it has to start somewhere.

~Namaste

okey so whats monsanto? i can google it but cmon im kinda lazy. just give me a background story why they suck so much.
* no negativity, negatives posters yuck,when we achieve this we get rewarded with moral highground and we did something instead of just talking.

lmao
well if u think ur keeping this a secret
by posting it on ATS and discussing
it .... BOY, they're really gonna be
surprised


c'mon guys, it's a pipe dream
or a fantasy or maybe even
a rant against the system but
u can't be seriously thinking
whatever u do is gonna make
a difference toward change.

Just as soon as the Federal Reserve
goes bust, then the World Reserve
will be standing by to take it's place
and people will fall for it hook, line
and sinker because they have yet
to be awakened and they will be
offered a solution.

IMO, this is a useless thread
as I've already stated the only change
worthy of having will be divine intervention.

reply to post by boondock-saint


I didn't need Divine intervention to make my life easier....I just stopped doing what was expected of me. No interest, no banks, no taxes. Refusing to pay taxes would be difficult for some but eliminating bankers from my life was remarkably easy.

I think that your proclamations of Divine intervention is way off. Has the human race become so helpless? I think not.... but the PTB would like us to believe so.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
lmao
well if u think ur keeping this a secret
by posting it on ATS and discussing
it .... BOY, they're really gonna be
surprised

c'mon guys, it's a pipe dream
or a fantasy or maybe even
a rant against the system but
u can't be seriously thinking
whatever u do is gonna make
a difference toward change.

Just as soon as the Federal Reserve
goes bust, then the World Reserve
will be standing by to take it's place
and people will fall for it hook, line
and sinker because they have yet
to be awakened and they will be
offered a solution.

IMO, this is a useless thread
as I've already stated the only change
worthy of having will be divine intervention.

I disagree with you.

The Fed is made up of MEN, not fallen angels or anything divine. It was designed by men, it can be destroyed by men. They can be reached, one way or another. This thread is to figure out how. You speak with such confidence as though you already have the written script for how things will play out and it sounds like you put too much faith into something divine when everything that has gotten us to this point is because of MEN and GREED.

I started this thread as a way to get people involved with ideas and feedback, so it's a tad a bit insulting that you would call it useless. The hope is that as more ideas pour in, they will start to condense into something more solid and eventually start to form an agreeable plan that has the possibility of reaching far and wide. What we're talking about doing is far from impossible, but it is difficult. Why is it people are so afraid to roll up their sleeves and get a little dirty? Is it because you'll be dead before you see the changes so you figure "why bother"?

All I have to do is look at my kids and I have renewed vigor every single day. There is no way I'm going to be one of the people who sits idle and let my children or grandchildren be the ones to bear the brunt of our complacency.

You can sit on your arse and wait for divine intervention... I'd way rather wait and see how many people care enough to plant the seeds of change.

~Namaste

wow how can you be so negative,are you disinfo or something. i mean i understand when someone says once that its probably too hard but please, ive achieved stuff that is way more impossible,then ruining some company.
its really easy to influence and to gather people through "fanboyzm"" and "trendyzm" and use that to bring down a company.
it can all be achieved through dirty ways as spam,or malicious articles,ridicule,harrasment and sabotage.
so whats so imposible for you? how do you even live with that attitude?

the rich TPTB people didnt get where they are with that attitude,the ones that werent from a royal bloodline.
and no need to pick exactly on tptb,just pick some company you hate and lets have some fun.
but we allready picked so lets rock...is anyone agreed to participate in a facebook group?

reply to post by Stillalive


I have no problem participating in a fight against Monsanto.

Count me in.

~Namaste

okey donkey,just 30 minutes to watch my tna and ill see into it. no problem for you guys since its day in your country right now

To recap, here is what is being presented so far:

- Bring down one of the larger corporations that we all know is evil and owned by TPTB. (Monsanto)
- Start local movements across the country that will slowly develop into a much larger movement.
- Have a coordinated "spending strike" where people go buy the things they need in advance and then don't shop for a week solid.
- Start a viral message that gets consumers to act against the banks
- Move your money from a corporate bank to a local one
- Wait for divine intervention
- Do nothing because God forbid I get off my ass and stand for something instead of falling for anything.

Did I miss anything?

~Namaste

good very good,be asured i will add a lot of smart ideas.
but still what did that company do exactly?

Your plan is a good initiative and will take some very carefully chosen words and visuals if you want to make an impact on people.....that they start to think and come to the right conclusion.

It should be like a sort of campaine....you will need air time on national TV and adds in news papers and most of all there must be a promise in your message which you can keep, a promise that should make the people want to make that extra step for your cause....for our cause.

Yes, we can....? (Just kiddin' ....

Anyways...money will be a great help to get things rolling and under way.

reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne


I think a "Live Life Without Banks" club would be nice. We could kick that off right here in this thread. I would be interested in knowing how many people here at ATS have or are attempting to rid banks from their lives?

reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne

So what do you propose would get the ball rolling on something like this at the local levels? I kind of see where you are going with this and agree on many of your points... it's almost as though you're saying to build a silent movement that grows and by the time there is enough knowledge to try and stop it, there will be enough communities and people involved that it will snowball and TPTB won't be able to stop it. How do you plant that seed all across the country in the smaller communities? How do you create the initiatives that would be shared and agreed on by those communities so that there is a coherent form of governance forming that could eventually replace the broken forms of governance today? Wouldn't there have to be some "handing off of the baton" between the old to the new and wouldn't that be the point of a clash?

Finding a group of like minded individuals to run with it would get the ball rolling. The movement doesn't need to be silent just not come off like a bunch of extremist and focus on the common needs and concerns of the community at large. The two would coexist and eventually the better form would eventually prevail and the old form die of attrition.

To Boondock,
I don't necessarily disagree with you however divine intervention doesn't come just because of praying for it. It usually comes when man has done all he can. Just sitting around waiting for God to save us all will accomplish nothing, the scriptures are replete with examples of the people having to act first before diving intervention. The obstacles are great and seemingly impossible so I understand the pipe dream mentality as I am not to far from it myself but the inner voice tells me it is not impossible with sustained focus, it just might not happen in the time frame everyone hope for including myself.

To all.
As I have said it have tried to gather enough folks to initiate such a thing but to no avail. I wanted to give up but I just can't the inner voice bids me forward. So what I have done is scaled down what I am doing as far is county level to just local level.

What I am trying to do now is build a sort of cultural center in the mountains of Boise Idaho to teach self sufficiency, healing, and spirituality etc. right now I am working on a Log cabin as the main center and will put in green houses and berry bushes fruit trees etc along with animals etc. but also fuel alcohol, ferro cement housing etc. solar, wind, and rain water collection etc people need to see a working model then they are more apt to believe they can do it. Here is pics of the the place. I will eventually make a website and hold workshops on how to do all these things. It all takes time and money so I need to make a donation site where people who donate time and money will be able to offset the price of workshops and seminars that would require a cost too but haven't had time. I will do a lot of stuff for free also. It is my way of doing what little I can to up lift humanity

smg.photobucket.com...

I have been tested good to see if I was serious too. I almost lost the place in this economy and was thinking of walking away but somehow managed to hang on to it. Perseverance is perhaps the single most important thing in any endeavor.

I GOT IT! i will contact the YESMEN. they expose alot of evil companyes on theyr movie where they dress up and prank them,they costed DOW millions!
and they answer when i write them,they are genuienly good guys. so ill ask them.

reply to post by Stillalive


Monsanto use to big one of the biggest polluters in the country but now have moved into the business of letting you the consumer spend money to pollute the environment and yourself. A link for your convenience. www.groovygreen.com...

i need a name and a clause for the campaign/facebook cause to start things
and an explanation why are we boycotting sayd companyes. so wil someone englighten me?

reply to post by Witness2008


This is a FANTASTIC idea!!

Doing this along with using social networking sites and other channels could catch on very quickly and could have a huge impact in a very short time.

So what would the goal be? To remove in as many ways possible, the control of our money by the banks? How would you get the word out on it besides FB?

~Namaste

I hope others are taking note at what's happening here...

We have the beginnings of a plan coming together!

Having the YESMEN go after Monsanto, and starting a group to get people to remove the banking influence from their lives. So far, that is a GREAT start!

We do have the power to make changes and have a big impact. Just as TPTB screw us, we can do the same thing by taking away the instrument of power that they have - money! Just stop putting it in their hands by not putting it in the banks and not buying from the corporations that support keeping us as slaves. Those two things alone, if enough people get involved, could deal a crushing blow to what's left of these people.

Useless thread my arse.

~Namaste

the goal for now should be one,and simple so we can achieve it.
i never though the day will come when i go against GM foods,as i am a future believer,but i though gm food will be better in every way,but its not...its just cr^p produced for profits with no gains for our health or farming..its sad
so we are going against that.
were going against monsanto and other companies who in this crysis try to push GM foods and make our bodies poisonous!
* fb campaign
* mass email campaign (i have the tools)
* message to the YESMEN so they can make a prank or humiliate them more (they have the tools to make them bankrupt)
* message to fourchan perhaps? (they can..well..do anything
* message to the law groups and forums in hague,netherlands - they stand for human rights and they will be firm supporters
* i dont kow what more..maybe youtube videos?
most important thing right now is when i make the page,to gather as many people as we can on facebook supporting the cause.
and then we can post news. the group will be moderated then more of 2 people atleast
are we allright now?

trust me i have experience doing the impossible and dealing with internet fame,since im trying to start as a web designer... and i know how self centered people can be,and how they are affected by everything.
but afcourse our goal is to gather people not brainwash them really..okey only 15 minutes left until my show is over.

i need a facebook name,something like "say no to (company name)" but something more catchy
im the designer guy so ill make cool logo and posters and stuff
and i need a colorfull explanation for the group on why we want it down.
help guys