65% Favor Getting Rid of Entire Congress and Starting Over

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by wcitizen

 

I think far too much emphasis is placed upon voting and not near enough emphasis placed upon the actual inherent political power that we the people genuinely hold. While we are angry at Congress, and would like to "throw the bums out", I would think it would be infinitely more satisfying to collectively flip Congress the finger and refuse to convict drug dealers, drug users, prostitutes, and their clients, gamblers, and any person who has been charged with a crime by the IRS.

Just tell Congress to go right ahead and do whatever they damn well please, because God knows that this is what we the people will do too, and since there are way more of us than them, and since as members of the jury, once we render a verdict, that decision is final and above reproach, they can legislate as many damn acts as they please, but good luck in trying to get a damn conviction.

In the meantime, as members of the jury, we simultaneously continue taking the McDonald's hot coffee incident to even higher stakes, and do everything we can to bankrupt the corporations. Let us as members of the jury take the banks to the cleaners, both by refusing to grant any verdict for the plaintiff when a bank sues for recovery of a debt, especially since the push towards a cashless society and electronic transfers means there is no real physical evidence of money exchanging hands, and for the plaintiff when it is the average Joe suing the bank for wrong doing.

While there are charter revocation laws in every state written to deal with corporate malfeasance, if the States Attorney Generals won't do their jobs, then it is left up to us, we the people, to do ours. Bankrupt the corporations, reward tax protesters with acquittals, reward black marketeers for embracing free market principles, punish government officials with jail time, (in those rare instances they are brought up on charges), and use the halls of justice to re-establish justice.

How do we do this? One person at a time, each and everyone of us accepting responsibility for our role in government, and doing what we can to inform our friends, family and community of the inherent political power that we now hold, as we have always held, and at no point never, ever surrendered.

Jean Paul, I really think this is worthy of its own thread.

Originally posted by trailertrash
reply to post by wcitizen

 

The only real problem is in all the conflicts of interest that our representatives have. Involvement in congress by businesses is at the heart of the problem. Stop these. Free speech should not include attempts to influence congress through bribery and other means. Get rid of lobbies in DC and watch things return to whatever normal is. It will take a real civil war or serious revolution by the people to make this happen. It may be too late already. Corporations are too strong and they have access to private militaries all their own.

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You know, I don't entirely trust this 'they are strong' therefore there's virtually nothing we can do. I understand the sentiment and often feel like that myself, but then logic dictates that can't be true. We are so many, they are comparatively so few, and most of all we just don't use the means and channels we do have to demand and insist on change and redress. I believe it's possible we could fry them if we really got it going.

Originally posted by Myendica
sometime I think they listen in through our tv's. Not many people seem to answer phones and take a survey, and I kept saying during every political ad, that they should add no confidence to the ballot and we should start over.. is that crazy?

I don't believe it's crazy, I believe it's exactly what needs to happen - get the tricksters out and get new people in and get the people back in control of the gubberment.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Yeah, it's definitely not probable, Jean...

You've have senators who've been sitting in these offices for decades. Do you honestly believe that NOW they're going to be voted out?

And like I said, it's dumb. Did I read the article? YES, and it's stupid.

"If voters had the option."

Voters don't have the option of removing everybody from Congress. It's nonsense. So, unless you're going to remove them some other way, just stop rambling on about it.

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
reply to post by wcitizen

 

It would be nice if it would help, but honestly I think once they get in there they
will be subverted just like the last batch.

There are a few exceptions like Ron Paul and a few others, but by and large most are
owned by different special interest.

I think ppl will find that it is 2 sides of the same coin, and the Republican version of
change will be no better than the current mess.

After all this economic collapse began on Shrub's watch, and after almost 2 years
and tons of lying Obozo isn't doing much better, except maybe the lying part.

You know, I believe the right people - who put integrity before money - could do a lot. Reform the judiciary, stop lobbying, reinstate civil and human rights. Don't forget, if this had been done, the people would be sending a very strong message about who controls the government.
Oh, and heaps and heaps of disclosure of the hidden crimes of the gangsters.

Originally posted by Mak Manto
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Yeah, it's definitely not probable, Jean...

You've have senators who've been sitting in these offices for decades. Do you honestly believe that NOW they're going to be voted out?

And like I said, it's dumb. Did I read the article? YES, and it's stupid.

"If voters had the option."

Voters don't have the option of removing everybody from Congress. It's nonsense. So, unless you're going to remove them some other way, just stop rambling on about it.

Yes, that's just the kind of attitude which will get us ........where, let's see...........oh yes, exactly where we are now.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by wcitizen

 

Only! 65%?
now I know that can't be right.

Lol! I thought that too!

Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by Mak Manto
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Yeah, it's definitely not probable, Jean...

You've have senators who've been sitting in these offices for decades. Do you honestly believe that NOW they're going to be voted out?

And like I said, it's dumb. Did I read the article? YES, and it's stupid.

"If voters had the option."

Voters don't have the option of removing everybody from Congress. It's nonsense. So, unless you're going to remove them some other way, just stop rambling on about it.

Yes, that's just the kind of attitude which will get us ........where, let's see...........oh yes, exactly where we are now.

If you want to bring in new people when their terms are done, be my guest. I'll root for you to get rid of many of those corrupt assholes.

But going on about about how you're going to REMOVE all of Congress is just silly...

Originally posted by Mak Manto

Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by Mak Manto
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Yeah, it's definitely not probable, Jean...

You've have senators who've been sitting in these offices for decades. Do you honestly believe that NOW they're going to be voted out?

And like I said, it's dumb. Did I read the article? YES, and it's stupid.

"If voters had the option."

Voters don't have the option of removing everybody from Congress. It's nonsense. So, unless you're going to remove them some other way, just stop rambling on about it.

Yes, that's just the kind of attitude which will get us ........where, let's see...........oh yes, exactly where we are now.

If you want to bring in new people when their terms are done, be my guest. I'll root for you to get rid of many of those corrupt assholes.

But going on about about how you're going to REMOVE all of Congress is just silly...

Seems like a quibble on words. Replace them all with new ones is what the word 'remove' is meant to suggest.

Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by Mak Manto

Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by Mak Manto
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Yeah, it's definitely not probable, Jean...

You've have senators who've been sitting in these offices for decades. Do you honestly believe that NOW they're going to be voted out?

And like I said, it's dumb. Did I read the article? YES, and it's stupid.

"If voters had the option."

Voters don't have the option of removing everybody from Congress. It's nonsense. So, unless you're going to remove them some other way, just stop rambling on about it.

Yes, that's just the kind of attitude which will get us ........where, let's see...........oh yes, exactly where we are now.

If you want to bring in new people when their terms are done, be my guest. I'll root for you to get rid of many of those corrupt assholes.

But going on about about how you're going to REMOVE all of Congress is just silly...

Seems like a quibble on words. Replace them all with new ones is what the word 'remove' is meant to suggest.

I think what the voters who voted for that poll want is to remove everybody, right now, from Congress. Just oust everybody.

Yeah, like that's going to happen...

Originally posted by Mak Manto
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Voters don't have the option of removing everybody from Congress. It's nonsense. So, unless you're going to remove them some other way, just stop rambling on about it.

Yes, that's just the kind of attitude which will get us ........where, let's see...........oh yes, exactly where we are now.
If you want to bring in new people when their terms are done, be my guest. I'll root for you to get rid of many of those corrupt assholes.

But going on about about how you're going to REMOVE all of Congress is just silly...


Seems like a quibble on words. Replace them all with new ones is what the word 'remove' is meant to suggest.
I think what the voters who voted for that poll want is to remove everybody, right now, from Congress. Just oust everybody.

Yeah, like that's going to happen...

You think that or you know that? And if it were the case, why would it be wrong to say that if they could, that is what they would do? It is the expression of such a desire which makes such a strong statement.

You think that or you know that? And if it were the case, why would it be wrong to say that if they could, that is what they would do? It is the expression of such a desire which makes such a strong statement.

I know that...

And it's not wrong if you truly believe it...

BUT NOBODY BELIEVES IT. I MEAN TRULY BELIEVES...

If these people wanted to oust everybody from Congress and try to fix this country, they would do it! Except, they don't. They vote in these polls, or go to these rallies, but at the end of the day, they just get their coffees, gossip, and then go home to watch Grey's Anatomy...

Real revolutionaries, men and women who wanted change, DIED to bring that change...

Basically, that's what would have to happen here. If you try to overthrow the government, or to incite a rebellion and that's what this is, you're trying to overthrow Congress and bring in either a new system or new people, you'll be imprisoned...

The government is going to fight you. It's against federal law...

Now, tell me, do you know if these people are going to lay down their lives to try to remove Congress?

The #1 BIGGEST issue with congress terms isn't how long the term is but the fact that they can be voted into office potentially FOREVER. This is one thing that needs to change. Give them a shorter term of 2 years and they get to server one term period. As someone else said in this thread make accepting any "bribes" (for better lack of words) illegal and immediate termination from office. Even if they're suspected of it. Their bank accounts should be exceptionally scrutinized and any laws they've put forward would have to have a re-vote or be nullified.

This would:
1. Fix the career politician syndrome that seems to be only caught by those serving in Congress. (key word SERVING)
2. Eliminate Congress that is currently serving (this law would have to apply to the past)
3. Make them explain where and why 3M paid them $2.2M
4. Make them all walk on eggshells and want to do the right thing or face indictment.
5. Rework our current Justice system and laws voted in during any of those who have served for the past 40 years.

Oh yeah they should also lose the ability to pose more than one law in any bill. Time after time congress has passed bills based on the original meaning all the while skirting another bill that has been systematically worked in. If there is ANY change to laws each change should have to be a separate instance. The point of this is to not only keep from getting laws voted in that shouldnt be but it would also curtail the AMOUNT of laws Congress tries to get voted in.

Many of you are asking me, what are the sides and, why must I choose. Well here is your answer:



The side of capitalists; those who believe society must be governed from the top down, separating society into two separate hierarchical classes; with the workers of the world below those with the wealth. Or, the side of the universal class or the true socialists, who believe that society is to be ruled by itself, democratically by the workers. Those who believe there is only one class and that democracy and freedom can only exist if there is no top down dichotomy.

Because to not choose is to submit to the prior, to accept that you are a lesser person than the wealthy who rule you, to accept the illusion of freedom cast upon you. You must choose because there will be a revolution, and because as Edmund Burke so eloquently stated, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

When confronting evil, one must beware the statist dressed in sheep clothing. Beware the victim who seeks to use democracy as a heavy bludgeon in order to seek revenge over those whom they revile. Beware the propagandist who will use class warfare as a bully pulpit to preach a classless society, for without the distinction in classes they have no weapon by which to rile the masses. Beware the statist who preaches statelessness. Beware the passion of an ideologue all to willing to eschew thought and reason in favor of mindless jealousy. Beware the pretended intellectualism of one who would disguise themselves in the clothing of labor. Beware the dogma of the zealous secularist who seeks a topsey turvy revolution, where down is up, and left is right. When confronting evil, one must beware, very aware, and beware.

65% huh? Really, 65%? That is absolutely amazing! Know what's even more amazing?

Only 41.5% of eligible voters went to the polls. Sadly, in my state, the number was only 32.5%.

An apathetic populace is easy prey.

Originally posted by whatukno
Freedom of Speech is the 1st Amendment, you know, that same amendment right wingers want to get rid of?

Fact check

Which party is continuously seeking to re-institute the "Fairness Doctrine", the most blatant assault on Free Speech in the history of the country?

I am in my forties and have never voted because I thought , my vote doesn't count. After looking at both sides and realizing that the democrats and the republicans have screwed up this country for years, why not vote for some other party like the independent for example.Thinking that the majority was like me that it's time for a different party to run things, i made my vote(independent). Boy was i seriously disappointed the next day. For a state(ca) and country that is sick and tired of the status quo, why in the H*LL did the other parties only get 2% or 3% of the votes!!!!!!???????? Are people so blind that they believe they can only vote republican or democrat? It seems like they let the democrats ruin things for awhile and then decide to let republicans ruin things for awhile and so on and so on! I think the definition of insanity applies here! This will probably be the first and last time i vote. What a downer.

Originally posted by trust no one
I am in my forties and have never voted because I thought , my vote doesn't count. After looking at both sides and realizing that the democrats and the republicans have screwed up this country for years, why not vote for some other party like the independent for example.Thinking that the majority was like me that it's time for a different party to run things, i made my vote(independent). Boy was i seriously disappointed the next day. For a state(ca) and country that is sick and tired of the status quo, why in the H*LL did the other parties only get 2% or 3% of the votes!!!!!!???????? Are people so blind that they believe they can only vote republican or democrat? It seems like they let the democrats ruin things for awhile and then decide to let republicans ruin things for awhile and so on and so on! I think the definition of insanity applies here! This will probably be the first and last time i vote. What a downer.

I know. I just don't get it. The penny is taking rather a long time to drop!