Bin Laden warns France over Afghan war, veil ban

Originally posted by paradiselost333
More empty threats IMO

over time we have seen there lack of ability to do anything significant. Yea a couple of radicals go on a shooting spree but there attacks in the big picture are having little if any effect at all

You call the lives of 5 people "Empty" threats?

He said the kidnapping of five French citizens in the African nation of Niger last month was a reaction to what he called France's oppression of Muslims.

I can't believe some people see his threats as justified. NEWS FLASH, he is not an Afghan....

I read an interesting article on the Debka file once about how Osama has been living in relative peace in Iran. Even going out and falconing often. I know the Debka is not the most reliable source but wouldnt it make sense? Iran is the perfect place for him, they would treat his as royalty due to his aggression against the US and the US cannot strike at him without causing a major international incident.

If a strike on Iran is forthcoming, which i believe now more than ever is due in the next few months, look for the USA to announce he has been killed in a strike, thereby (in their opinion at least) partially justifying the attack.

But seriously, you think if the US wanted to find somebody ASAP it would take them 9 years? I highly doubt that. It's either Osama Bin Laden is a CIA agent (I've heard this from other people, i don't believe it) or he's already dead or locked up somewhere. Why else would he only be releasing audio tapes. Just something to think about. It's probably not even him talking in the tapes.

Kind Regards,
TokyoDynamite

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
I suppose now is as good a time as any to ask this question. I see the word around often, hear it in movies, am pretty sure it's an insult, but have no idea what it means.

What in the world is a "wanker"? lol. Seriously, I don't know.

Good guess, it can be an insult. Some slang terms you won't find in the regular dictionary but you'll find them here:

www.urbandictionary.com...

So you may want to bookmark it. Just search the term you asked about and you'll get your answer but it may be too complex and off topic to fully explain here. #4 is interesting because it lists 3 completely different definitions, 2 of them complete opposites, and that may be correct. #5 is interesting because it explains what the word refers to but that's not really what it means in normal everyday use.

I have no idea if Bin Laden is dead or alive, unless a body is found that can be positively ID'd we won't know for sure. He can't blame France for the Burka ban being anti-Islamic in my opinion, because the burka is not required by Islam and many Muslims never wear a Burka so Bin Laden is just looking for something to complain about if that's really him.

Those posters who think Bin Laden has a gripe with recent actions by the US should do some research, there's a long history, which goes all the way back to when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. If you think it was a good idea to just stay out of it and let a power crazed dictator like Saddam Hussein keep Kuwait that he took by force, then I have to question your judgment. I think the entire world was against that invasion, and the Saudis allowing the world to get back at Saddam Hussein is what gave Bin Laden his grudge:

www.solcomhouse.com...

After Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, bin Laden offered to help defend Saudi Arabia (with 12,000 armed men) but was rebuffed by the Saudi government. Bin Laden publicly denounced his government's dependence on the U.S. military and demanded an end to the presence of foreign military bases in the country. According to reports (by the BBC and others), the 1990/91 deployment of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia in connection with the Gulf War profoundly shocked and revolted bin Laden

Bin Laden didn't want the US /coalition military bases in Saudi Arabia, but since Bin Laden wasn't running the country he had no say in the matter. He's had a grudge ever since the Saudis kicked him out and took help from the international forces in the coalition rather than Bin Laden's force. So that's what started this whole feud apparently, the Burka is a red herring, I think.

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Ha! Funny, had no idea. Americans have words to insult people with that particular anatomy, but I think they would violate t/c's.! Wanger might, too, if was understood fully. lol.

Thank you, I did bookmark the site for future inquiries.

Also, I appreciated your thoughts about Bin Laden, and agree.

Originally posted by tokyodynamite
But seriously, you think if the US wanted to find somebody ASAP it would take them 9 years? I highly doubt that. It's either Osama Bin Laden is a CIA agent (I've heard this from other people, i don't believe it) or he's already dead or locked up somewhere. Why else would he only be releasing audio tapes. Just something to think about. It's probably not even him talking in the tapes.

Kind Regards,
TokyoDynamite

edit on 27-10-2010 by tokyodynamite because: typo

Or, like i said above he has been in Iran all this time. If so, the USA wouldnt let the information out until just before an attack or immediately after verifying his death. If say 5 years ago claimed he was in Iran there would be immense political pressure to attack, and obviously they dont want to attack Iran until they are ready for it. With the drawdown in Iraq going on and the very recent deployment of troops and another aircraft carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln to the Persian Gulf, it looks like the time might be now.

Bin Laden dead or alive may not even be the issue when it comes to alQaeda and its splinter factions. If he is alive and in hiding for 9 years, it would be very difficult for him to coordinate much. If he is dead, it would be impossible for him to coordinate at all. It is the idea of Bin Laden that is alive no matter what; whether it be his anti-western civilization message, his get off of my lawn message, or simply his cult of personality. Even if he is captured and brought to trial, his cult of personality will remain and will continue fighting in his name. Bin Laden is less of a threat as a person than he is as an idea.

Originally posted by nightbringr
How preposterous to feel any sympathy or empathy with this hateful mans message. Yes the Americans kill innocent civilians in these wars, but they are never targetted as the Taliban and Al Quada target and kill innocents on purpose. They go into villiages and brutalize people who they even suspect might be in cahoots with the West and women are routinely beaten, whipped or stoned for such minor things as simply being seen without a burqa. Equating collateral damage of a bomb that misses its target is nothing like the purposeful training of terrorists to strike at buildings full of thousands of civilians, watching them burn and fall and then claiming a victory in the name of Allah. He wanted war, thats what he got.

I completely agree the Americans did it all wrong, but they are still the better of the two sides, and while not always morally correct, at least they DO target enemy combatants first and foremost, while the enemy will just as gladly kill a woman and her child as an enemy soldier.

edit on 27-10-2010 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)

So why US do not occupy Saudi Arabia?. Your argumentation is ex post facto even if it is masquaraded as moral reasoning. First: USA have nothing to do in any other part of the world then delimited by boarder of USA + few miles of coastal waters. Second: Roma/Gypsy community is oppressed in Czech Republic. Is it reason for USA to intervene militarily? And I do not buy ObL/911 story as reason for occupation of Afghanistan.

Oooooo wait, there are some crude wells at Moravia ... we are not as save as I thought

Originally posted by youdidntseeme
Bin Laden dead or alive may not even be the issue when it comes to alQaeda and its splinter factions. If he is alive and in hiding for 9 years, it would be very difficult for him to coordinate much. If he is dead, it would be impossible for him to coordinate at all. It is the idea of Bin Laden that is alive no matter what; whether it be his anti-western civilization message, his get off of my lawn message, or simply his cult of personality. Even if he is captured and brought to trial, his cult of personality will remain and will continue fighting in his name. Bin Laden is less of a threat as a person than he is as an idea.

Yes, as planned at CIA headquarters. Investment to ObL was 1.000 times payed back.

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A wanker is that thing that hangs between a mans legs.
2nd line.
This is off subject to say the least.

reply to post by endtimer

The term wanker originated from British slang in the 1940s. Wanker literally means "one who wanks (masturbates)". In modern usage it is usually a general insult. It conveys contempt, not commentary on sexual habits. Wanker has similar meanings and overtones to American pejoratives like jerk(-off). One connotation, implying egotistical and self-indulgent behaviour (and more analogous to American douche(bag)), is the dominant meaning in Australia and New Zealand.

Wanker may be indicated by a one-handed gesture, usually to an audience out of hearing range. It is shown by curling the fingers of the hand into a loose fist and moving the hand back and forth to mime male masturbation, which is equivalent to saying, "[you are a] wanker".

en.wikipedia.org...

The article also includes a helpful diagram.


On topic:

OBL is most likely to be either in the tribal regions of Pakistan, in Iran or buried somewhere (or otherwise dead).

To those who subscribe to the idea that he is more useful to the US alive than dead, it is by far preferable to simply make sure that he isn't pursued with very much gusto as opposed to actively sheltering him. These things have a habit of getting out and a lot of people would love for that to happen if it were true. It is difficult to imagine any revelation that could be more toxic, it isn't worth the risk and not only that but there are plenty of other volunteers out there who would happily shelter OBL.

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Er, yes. Asking the question in and of itself has waxed embarresting.
But thanks.

If osama is dead or not, if he wants the US out, then his body should be given up. Once we have him dead or alive, then hopefully we can leave the middle east. I don't think we have any business there, but now that rare earth minerals have been discovered in the afganistani region and china is going to quit producing so much, we're probably going to mine the crap out of it instead of just walking away.

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Endtimer is wrong Wanker in its literal use means masturbater, we use the term alot in Aus.

Everyone wanks so its not considered very insulting, its usually used as a light hearted dig to

incite a response.

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Is it not strange that Bin Laden's name is mentioned the same day as this.
French lawmakers approve controversial reform bill
Linkedition.cnn.com...

Very convenient don't you thinkwell just putting it out there what do you think.

Thanks

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Personally i dont believe the rare minerals crap, its too convenient.
You Yanks are there for one reason and thats the same reason
for Vietnam, drugs= big $$$

This is truly laughable. Their constructed fake videos are totally and completely ridiculous these days.

I can't imagine that anyone still believes this rubbish. They must be sore from laughing at us.

Originally posted by volafox
If osama is dead or not, if he wants the US out, then his body should be given up. Once we have him dead or alive, then hopefully we can leave the middle east. I don't think we have any business there, but now that rare earth minerals have been discovered in the afganistani region and china is going to quit producing so much, we're probably going to mine the crap out of it instead of just walking away.

They will never 'find' (dead) Bin Laden, because he was created to fuel the fear of fake terrorism to facilitate their take over of power and stripping of individual liberties.

He is still WAY too useful to TPTB, simply because people still believe this garbage.

Originally posted by BarmyBilly
well now if there 'proof' of a possible attack in France with a video like this one to make the French sheeple believe they need military presence in public.

Uh.. When was your last time in paris?

You obviously have no idea of the military force in public already

Please do research

Originally posted by volafox
If osama is dead or not, if he wants the US out, then his body should be given up. Once we have him dead or alive, then hopefully we can leave the middle east. I don't think we have any business there, but now that rare earth minerals have been discovered in the afganistani region and china is going to quit producing so much, we're probably going to mine the crap out of it instead of just walking away.

I agree with one point here, no matter what the US will not just walk away. The investment is too great at this point. The bases built, the infrastruture, the contracts. There are still military bases in Germany and Korea. Besides there is always Iran and Palestine.