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Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by airspoon
Another troop in the army of truth.
We need all good men on the side of justice.
He wanted MORE security at one point because after 911 he felt the dock where he was a Union rep for was a target for terrorists.
Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by GoodOlDave
A little off-topic, don't you think? Never the less, my definition of a hero, is someone who sets aside their own personal well-being for a cause greater than themselves. Take for instance the hero Robert E. Lee. He wasn't a hero for his actions in battle, rather he was a hero for setting his own personal well-being aside to sacrifice for a cause greater than himself. He did what he felt was right, in the face of severe consequences for his actions. He sacrificed for a cause greater than himself, which is what a soldier does in battle when jumping on a grenade or saving his brothers from capture.
Furthermore, you are making an assumption that he is basing his beliefs on what he read on Alex Jones. That's a pretty big stretch on your part and a clear attempt at not only disinformation but to attack the messanger, instead of the message. I guess it's not too hard to believe that you can make such stretch after all, now is it? It does seem to be the theme, where official conspiracy theorists make wild assumptions without evidence to back them up, then run with it.
That's rather a stretch. Robert E. Lee hated the idea of secession and he hated slavery, but he went with the south out of his sense of duty
This Australian guy OTOH loves the idea of conspiracy and secret plots to take over the world, which is completely contrary to any sense of duty he has to Australia.
It's not an assumption, it's an established fact that this guy is getting all his information from one or another of those damned fool conspiracy web sites.
I know this becuase in every single case where someone claims he "wants to know the truth behind the 9/11 attack" it's ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS the case they're basing their opinion on rubbish the conspiracy people are circulating around (I.E. "no interceptors were scrambled", "some of the hijackers are still alive", "all the bomb dogs were withdrawn from the WTC before the attack," "noone saw what it was that struck the Pentagon", etc).
All you need to do is listen to this guy and you'll see the drivel he's spouting isn't original to him. It's all a repeat of what you people are saying.
It may not be Alex Jones that he's quoting, per se, but then it really doesn't matter who the specific snake oil peddler is.
So let me get this straight...out of all the people who qualify for the title, "hero", from a pilot who saved his passengers' lives by setting his malfunctioning plane down in a river to an army specialist saving his buddies' lives and rescuing them from capture in Afghanistan, your definition of a hero is...some guy in Australia who's reciting the drivel he read on Prison Planet.
a hero is any male or female who leaves the world of his or her everyday life to undergo a journey to a special world where challenges and fears are overcome in order to secure a reward (special knowledge, healing potion, etc.) which is then shared with other members of the hero’s community.
Originally posted by airspoon
That is exactly the point, Lee did what he felt was right, in the face of severe consequences. Had Lee not have been a hero and instead looking out for his own interests, he would have sided with the United States, instead of his home-state of Virginia.
Mr. Bracken would have to know that his voiced opinions or opposition to the OS would not gain him any points and instead draw heat, yet he did what he felt is the right thing to do, for a cause bigger than himself.
First of all, you can't say what this guy likes or doesn't like. In fact, everyone believes in conspiracies, we only differ on who is conspiring. No matter what you believe about 9/11, you most likely believe in a conspiracy theory and more often than not, it isn't because you love the idea of conspiracy, rather it's that the evidence you have weighed is pointing one way over another.
Just because you believe in a conspiracy theory, doesn't mean that you love a conspiracy, in the same way that just because you believe in the Holocaust, doesn't mean that you love the idea of killing civillians. Such a notion is absurd and I would expect at least a little better out of you, Dave.
I would think that most people believe there is more to the story and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the Bush admin had things to hide, therefore they conspired to hide these things. If there was nothing to hide, then Bush wouldn't have opposed the 9/11 commission, then refused to meet with them under oath or alone even. Bush wouldn't have interfered with funding or installed a member of his administration and close friend, Philip Zelikow, to be the ED of the commission.