Has the Restore America Plan Succeeded?

This thread is to research and discuss the status of "Restore America Plan".

Here are the most current links and information I can find:

www.republicoftheunitedstates.org...

Recent interview with "interrim president" Tim Turner:

10-20-2010-PublicRepublicCall.mp3

restoredusa.blogspot.com...

nesaranews.blogspot.com...

Also try Tim Turner's interviews on Talkshoe:

www.talkshoe.com...

I posted this in the other thread but I see it is relevant here:

As I said complete BS! Not a single shred of evidence to support any of it. It's all talk. Yeah you can listen to thier talkshoes etc and they sound quite serious but none of it has panned out and every week Tim has a new story about how close they are to some break through meanwhile he is selling seminars and supposedly helping people etc. but there is no evidence just a few people making claims on a conference call and in his seminars. But no one asks for any proof...

I know I took his seminar did his paperwork and it hasn't done zip except get me threatened by the US treasury and a couple of banks lawyers. I know some of it is correct at law but it doesn't matter the PTB don't care they have the power and they ignore the law in favor of commercial law/policy and do what they want.

Tim Turner and his ilk can't prove they have helped a single person hold a single agent accountable for anything!

reply to post by cupocoffee

The last lawfully elected President of the Republic of the united States of America was Abraham Lincoln.

i was going to stop reading there cause theres alot of presidents that dont beleive that.

"You don't need God anymore, you have us Democrats." - Nancy Pelosi (Quoted 2006)

that woman that crazy little woman she speaks some truth after all.

im going to do some more reading on this subject matter thanks for bringing it up for discussion

reply to post by hawkiye


hawkiye

The "PTB" obviously still control the mainstream media so of course it seems like there's nothing going on.

But what's going to happen when the de facto corporate US government officially goes bankrupt? They are hanging on by a thread as it is...

I think you will find that suddenly all kinds of countries will come out in support of the new de jure government.

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No. The entire thing was smoke and mirrors. I spent a month last spring traveling the US looking for evidence regarding this issue, I found nothing and neither did my team. We returned to England and closed the file on it.

What we did find however was the underpinnings of anger and resentment that are currently playing out in the US's midterm elections. The only hard conclusions we came to regarding the RAP were that Turner is out of his mind, or an amazing egoist at the very least, and all of his claims regarding US military involvement is worthless. On top of this the legal interpretation he uses for the RAP is about as sound as the Hindenburg. There's nothing to any of this but the rantings of a doomsdayer. I could find people yelling about the end of the world on a street corner that have more of a factual basis than this bunk.

I have to question why we're even still talking about it here.

reply to post by ProjectJimmy


Then how did all this 'smoke and mirrors' and 'bunk' make mainstream news?

reply to post by cupocoffee



Cupocoffee there is no evidence period of any new government just a few guys on phone calls making claims period! I guess people want to believe so bad they put all reason and logic aside and don't seek any real evidence and buy all the excuses about how they cant tip thier hand and how hard they are working behind the scenes etc.


The US government is bankrupt anyway and it has nothing to do with RAP etc. However as long as people still believe in the system and can trade FRNS for goods and services it will remain. Stop buying the hype and ask for some real evidence no countries give a crap about the US most of them hate us. There is no white night rescue it is all BS! I know I was intimately involved in the whole movement that eventually spawned RAP and the Assemblies on the republic etc. for the last couple of years. Turner is making book selling seminars period. He is good talker he drew me in for a while but eventually one has to look for results and there aren't any. Oh Tim always has a good story about someone who had a recent success and sometimes they will even come on the call and make the claim... YEAH PROVE IT!!! No one has the balls on the call to call them out on it.

I have been involved in this movement for 20 years and have tried various patriot technology and none of it has done a damn bit of good except make some guru some bucks selling seminars. DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE USE YOUR BRAIN AND ASK FOR REAL HARD EVIDENCE!

reply to post by hawkiye


Tim Turner is kind of like Blossom Goodchild as in they both promise(d) the goods but never deliver(ed).

Who the blue hell is this guy and why should I care?

Originally posted by hawkiye
Cupocoffee there is no evidence period of any new government just a few guys on phone calls making claims period! I guess people want to believe so bad they put all reason and logic aside and don't seek any real evidence and buy all the excuses about how they cant tip thier hand and how hard they are working behind the scenes etc.

Sure there is evidence. It made mainstream news!

0:40 "We've been advised by the FBI to take it seriously...."

Why would the FBI advise them to take it seriously if it's not serious?

Clearly this movement has some serious militia/military backing, or the FBI wouldn't have advised them to take it seriously!

The US government is bankrupt anyway and it has nothing to do with RAP etc. However as long as people still believe in the system and can trade FRNS for goods and services it will remain.

Exactly, the current system still limps on even though it is completely dysfunctional and unsustainable and the de facto gov is bankrupt, because people aren't aware yet that there is any alternative!

Stop buying the hype and ask for some real evidence

Like mainstream news footage?

DOCUMENTS and press release here

reply to post by cupocoffee


I am sorry what does main stream news reporting some folks sent letters to governors prove? It proves some folks sent letters to support thier seminar sales. I have sent letters to over 20 government agencies claming my sovereignty that doesn't prove it works or has any merit. Instructing the FBL to take it seriously just means take it as a possible serious threat.

Like I said just a few guys on phone calls making claims who sent some letters nothing more no proof of any progress or success or any agency or agent there of acknowledging thier lawfulness or any success in beating the banks or courts, just unsubstantiated claims with no beef!

When the shoe drops on the US monetary system all bets are off the supposed de jure government will have no support or authority to do anything, and who elected Tim turner? I am telling you this is a sham to continue to sell seminars that he said he was going to stop doing months ago but is still doing them despite his claims they would not be needed by now. More likely scenario will be chaos as the American public gets a bad dose of reality.

Anyone can make documents and send out a press release. It proves nothing just adds to the sham.
Tunerites need to wake up and smell the coffee they are being scammed!

reply to post by cupocoffee


I'm going to assume that you do not know what I do for a living cupocoffee: I am a journalist and I work for a large organization that is considered part of the "mainstream news."

Unlike the outlets in the United States though, in the United Kingdom we still know a thing or two about investigative journalism. The RAP sent letters to all of the governors in the US, threatening them, that in and of itself is newsworthy. It is the kind of thing that draws the interest of us in the media.

We came to see what backing this group had, the answer we came to was almost none. The threats this group makes they claim are backed by the military, in practice they are not. Following that they say that there is legal backing for their movement, again this was found to not be the case. In the end we developed a report, and one that suggested the RAP is a toothless tiger, and not worthy of further coverage.

The fact that they were covered, even in passing, by the US media is a black mark upon the media in America. It is a case where they should have done more homework and investigation before putting people this insane on national television.

It really does not leave any evidence to the RAP, just shows what a low level of investigation the media in your country has sunk to.

OP, if this is all you have then you've shown yourself to be a partisan and I must question why exactly you are pushing this agenda. We've had people before on ATS that come up, back the RAP without warrant and then when questioned upon why they simply say "oh it is out of curiosity" or some such nonsense. If that's your explanation too, just be aware that we've been through this song and dance before and you are not fooling anyone.

reply to post by hawkiye


hawkiye

From a quick scan of the DOCUMENTS it seems that they have created a legally sound Republic, or restored the original one, or however you want to frame it. Now they need millions and millions of people to rejoin it.

In the next few weeks and months you will probably see them doing a big publicity campaign, instead of lurking about on Talkshoe

reply to post by cupocoffee


That document is not legally sound it is one of the sloppiest documents ever written and is no good. In some old threads I posted a analysis of it and why it is unsound which is why I never signed it when the begged me to.
Yeah they have been saying they will do a publicity campaign in a few weeks for several months now. It will never happen its all talk always has been. That's what Tim does talks but never delivers and never will the guy is a con man period!

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy

OP, if this is all you have then you've shown yourself to be a partisan and I must question why exactly you are pushing this agenda. We've had people before on ATS that come up, back the RAP without warrant and then when questioned upon why they simply say "oh it is out of curiosity" or some such nonsense. If that's your explanation too, just be aware that we've been through this song and dance before and you are not fooling anyone.

Over in another RAP thread, someone bumped the thread and started asking some questions, I posted links to all the most current information I could find, then I thought "hey all these links and information would make a good OP for a new thread" so I created a new thread for it. That's all.

The question isn't if they are real or how much support they have, the question is, is it legally sound?

If, as they claim, what they are doing is legally and constitutionally sound and if they can get millions of people to sign up for it, it will succeed.

Originally posted by cupocoffee
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hawkiye

From a quick scan of the DOCUMENTS it seems that they have created a legally sound Republic, or restored the original one, or however you want to frame it. Now they need millions and millions of people to rejoin it.

In the next few weeks and months you will probably see them doing a big publicity campaign, instead of lurking about on Talkshoe

Oh gee that's a rich one mate, so what you're saying is that if the people buy their bull then they'll be legitimate? You know if I declared myself king of Manhattan I would be if everyone on the island agreed. This argument is idiotic, if nobody supports them, again, they are worthless.

As I have previously stated, the legal backing for their "republic" is faulty, it would never stand up in a court of law except for their own. What you have here is a group of people who for some reason, wish that they could control the US, this is subversion to the duly elected government of and by the people.

If they were more of a threat, which they clearly are not in any way shape or form, they would be tried for treason to the rightful US republic and punished to the full extent of legality. I believe in your nation that is still an offense punishable by death.

Believing themselves to be a real government for some disturbingly deluded reason, they would of course call this a declaration of "war" however again without backing there is no way in hell they could stand up to the US military, which is wholly loyal to the existent union, trust me we checked that quite completely in our investigation.

There is no "republic" of the RAP's creation because they lack valid social contract with the American people, lack military backing to enforce their will through force and lack all international recognition, again we checked that.

If they really did value the US as it was or whatever they say they do, they would work through the democratic process, instead of pulling more bull from their backsides.

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Okay I fully expected to be attacked as soon as I posted this, and sure enough, you didn't waste any time.

All I can say is that this makes all kinds of intuitive sense to me. What do you think all the white hats and good people in the military and gov have been doing all these years, sitting around twiddling their thumbs?

OF COURSE they came up with a "Restore America" plan, of course the white hats in the military are in on it! What else would the good guys do?

I am also very wary of the person claiming to be a journalist saying "we already investigated this and it's nothing".

I would advise people to do their OWN research and form their OWN conclusions.....

Originally posted by cupocoffee
Originally posted by ProjectJimmy

If, as they claim, what they are doing is legally and constitutionally sound and if they can get millions of people to sign up for it, it will succeed.

I see why you are taken in. they sound good to you but you do not know enough about law to know why however legally sound is a contradiction in terms. legal is commercial law/policy it is not lawful. There is a huge difference. The democracy is de facto but legal, it is not lawful.

That document is different then the one I debunked but just glancing at it it is not lawful at all. There is no republic of the united States of America and never was. The republics were the sovereign states there was never one big republic. The Federal government was only for trade and mutual protection period it had no authority over the states. And I would never delegate my inherent power or right in trade for protections etc. that has been the problem. Delegation of authority does not diminish authority on the one delegating he is still endowed with all his natural rights and can exercise them freely even if he delegates to others to do so in his behalf. That is ridicules, also juries never had any political authority they only decided criminal cases period.

The whole thing is a reuse to continue to keep people on the hook buying seminars who know little about law or history.

Originally posted by cupocoffee
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Okay I fully expected to be attacked as soon as I posted this, and sure enough, you didn't waste any time.

All I can say is that this makes all kinds of intuitive sense to me. What do you think all the white hats and good people in the military and gov have been doing all these years, sitting around twiddling their thumbs?

OF COURSE they came up with a "Restore America" plan, of course the white hats in the military are in on it! What else would the good guys do?

I am also very wary of the person claiming to be a journalist saying "we already investigated this and it's nothing".

I would advise people to do their OWN research and form their OWN conclusions.....

Again do you care to offer us any proof of this, in the form of something independent for the RAP's own public relations information?

How about some names of US military officials that are involved in the project? I've got quite a good working relationship with several officers in the various branches of the armed forces in your nation. I've stood shoulder to shoulder with them while I reported in Afghanistan, Iraq and the Balkans. The men and women I knew were good soldiers, great leaders and loyal Americans.

What you are saying is equating them with treason. You claim they are plotting to overthrow the elected government of the United States. This is a heavy accusation to make, and one that demands proof.

If not I would politely ask you, not just for the sake of your military's honor, but as a person of character and pride to let go of this madness. To even suggest that American men and women in uniform, who took an oath to serve the United States would undertake a plan such as this is almost beyond words.

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
Oh gee that's a rich one mate, so what you're saying is that if the people buy their bull then they'll be legitimate? You know if I declared myself king of Manhattan I would be if everyone on the island agreed. This argument is idiotic, if nobody supports them, again, they are worthless.

Look, of course the Obama admin/Fed Reserve/Goldman Sachs etc aren't going to simply disappear overnight.

Eventually there may come a conflict or civil war between the two sides. But they are trying to avoid that and do this peacefully.

No matter what, the Fed is doomed, we all know that. It's really just a question of how many people they'll try to kill on their way out....

As I have previously stated, the legal backing for their "republic" is faulty, it would never stand up in a court of law except for their own.

Why? Because you say so? Everyone's just supposed to take your word for it?

What you have here is a group of people who for some reason, wish that they could control the US, this is subversion to the duly elected government of and by the people.

You mean the duly elected government that obeys the Constitution and Bill of Rights?

There is no "republic" of the RAP's creation because they lack valid social contract with the American people, lack military backing to enforce their will through force and lack all international recognition, again we checked that.

Prove it. You and your "team" talked to every country in the world I suppose?