Does Christianity endorse the Old Testement?

reply to post by In nothing we trust


orthodox jews i suppose. I am not really keen to how they follow their religion. The point I was trying to make is their is a lot of Jewish influence in America. If you can't see this, then I would recommend stop paying attention to "christians" and look at the entire picture of what is going on

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior

Guess it depends on what you are trying to argue here. Explain what you meant by the question you posted, please.

Which question?

I guess I just don't understand where christianity starts and ends.

Where is the line of division between chrsitianity and all other religions?

Originally posted by halfoldman

Not sure, how does endorsing homosexuality go with endorsing witch burning and other patriarchal crimes like rape?

Violence against gay people usually goes with religious excesses like witch-burning, and many witches are gay or gay friendly.

How predominant is homosexuality and witchcraft among the patriarchs?

reply to post by In nothing we trust


your 2nd question. I've already addressed the first one.
"Is America actually Israel?" question

Where does it begin and where does it end? Labels. Get rid of them.

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
reply to post by In nothing we trust

 

your 2nd question. I've already addressed the first one.
"Is America actually Israel?" question

Where does it begin and where does it end? Labels. Get rid of them.

So christians are actually jews then?

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Where the hell do you get that from? You still need to clarify your question before we can continue. So I await your response.

reply to post by In nothing we trust


I was under the impression that the term Judeo-Christian was self evident.
Not trying to sound offensive or cute, just saying.

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
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Where the hell do you get that from? You still need to clarify your question before we can continue. So I await your response.

This question?

Is America actually Israel?

I think it is a straight forward question.

Is the land called America in actuality the spiritual land of Israel?

Originally posted by snowen20
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I was under the impression that the term Judeo-Christian was self evident.

Ahh so then perhaps it is a choice.

Believers get to choose whether they should follow the old rules or the new rules.

It's kind of like the best of both worlds.

Do what you will and your sins are forgiven.

You get to have your cake and eat it too.

reply to post by In nothing we trust


Then again I state. No, not in the holy land sense. America is not the holy land. However, there is Jewish presence and influence in the states. Look at your media, look at your entertainment. Look at your books. Racism, religious prejudice, misogyny, feminism, this stuff isn't coincidental. Again I say, get rid of Labels.
Evidently, the system must have gotten to you, maybe a Christian offended you somewhere? Get rid of the labels, stop fighting in their war.

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
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Then again I state. No, not in the holy land sense. America is not the holy land. However, there is Jewish presence and influence in the states. Look at your media, look at your entertainment. Look at your books. Racism, religious prejudice, misogyny, feminism, this stuff isn't coincidental. Again I say, get rid of Labels.

Evidently, the system must have gotten to you, maybe a Christian offended you somewhere? Get rid of the labels, stop fighting in their war.

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior

People tend to say one thing, and do the other. Really matters not what label they identify themselves as.

Apparently you see the same thing.

I think the only way out of thier war as you put it, is to become an athiest.

reply to post by In nothing we trust


It is weird how it seems that at every turn you are attempting to trap someone into admitting a paradox or admitting to a contradiction.

Where are you getting these ideas from?
Let me help you ok.

Judeo-Christian
Adjective: Being historically related to both Judaism and Christianity.

Which is the answer to your question. Are Christians Jews? No, though they're historically related.
Come on now stop with the trapping attempts. At least that's how it seems.




I would like to also point out that there are Christian Jews as well, That being people who are claiming to be descended from Jacob. Those Jews who chose to follow the teachings of Christ consequently became known as Christians.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by halfoldman

Not sure, how does endorsing homosexuality go with endorsing witch burning and other patriarchal crimes like rape?

Violence against gay people usually goes with religious excesses like witch-burning, and many witches are gay or gay friendly.

How predominant is homosexuality and witchcraft among the patriarchs?

Not sure, how would anyone really know?
If we mean OT patriarchs, both were forbidden at worst, and certainly not encouraged or endorsed.
In fact, these taboos were used by the Israelites to differentiate themselves from the neighboring tribes and civilizations (and a focus on vaginal sex, to which men had all kinds of rights, probably increased their numbers).They also didn't encourage masturbation or withdrawal during sex.
If they practiced that ritually it is not in the OT, and femininity was increasingly portrayed as evil due to Eve's sin.

The misogyny based on Eve is brought from the OT into 1 Timothy 2:11- 15.
Eve was in transgression, and hence women are saved through silence and child-bearing.

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Ah you were quick to leap to that, weren't you? Fortunately for you, I have a response. You have to figure out what the war is over, before you make a quick leap of faith like you just did. Do you even understand what the war is about? There you go again, using labels. You did know Atheist is a label right? And you would have us all believe you are an independent thinker. Nice try, tsk tsk.

Originally posted by snowen20
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It is weird how it seems that at every turn you are attempting to trap someone into admitting a paradox or admitting to a contradiction.

Where are you getting these ideas from?

The idea of questioning everything around me?

God, my brian, my environment, my lifes expierience, my observations, the universe?

What a great question.

I guess I'm just not a very good follower.

Judeo-Christian
Adjective: Being historically related to both Judaism and Christianity.

Which is the answer to your question. Are Christians Jews? No, though they're historically related.

Come on now stop with the trapping attempts. At least that's how it seems.

I'm not trying to trap anyone into believing anything.

I just don't get it.

Originally posted by halfoldman

... femininity was increasingly portrayed as evil due to Eve's sin.

How could sex with a woman be evil?

Why are women demonized?

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Im not questioning, your desire to question, but rather how you choose to ask them.
You seem to fill gaps with what you want to believe about these particular religions instead of asking about them in the way a person who is legitimately curious would.

Making certain claims and placing a question mark behind them, not to learn how we view something but in order to cut by remark through vaguely snide comments.

Originally posted by snowen20
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Im not questioning, your desire to question, but rather how you choose to ask them.

You seem to fill gaps with what you want to believe about these particular religions instead of asking about them in the way a person who is legitimately curious would.

Making certain claims and placing a question mark behind them, not to learn how we view something but in order to cut by remark through vaguely snide comments.

Ok I'll admit that.

Perhaps my questions do have an ulterior motive behind them and I am not conciously aware of that.

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
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You have to figure out what the war is over, before you make a quick leap of faith like you just did.

Do you even understand what the war is about?

NO I have no clue what the war is all about.

I can only guess the goals might involve breaking down old forms of belief and replacing those beliefs with a more unified and encompassing belief system.

reply to post by In nothing we trust

Sex with a woman was not evil, especially if it was done to fulfill the Godly injunction to be fruitful and multiply.
In fact only in the NT does femininity (not the same as woman necessarily) become tied to Eve, and women are saved through silence and child-bearing (somewhat at odds with Jesus's message of alleged gender equality).
See: 1 Timothy 2: 11-15.
But St. Paul was an ex-Pharisee (or something like that) who brought his own influences.

Women, and especially femininity (even in men) became evil and suspect.
Women became stereotyped as either the Madonna or the whore.
When Christians took control pagan temples were shut, women were oppressed and homosexuality was forbidden.
The Greek female philosopher Hypatia was skinned alive by Christian terrorists.
So sex with a woman was good, but the woman as temptress - like Eve, luring man from his male god - became a source of anxiety which eventually led to the witch-burnings.