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The Chinese classic, the Shan Hai King of about 2250 BC, contains what seems to be an accurate description of the Grand Canyon. Peanuts and maize have been found at ancient Chinese sites dating back to 3000BC. The orthodox view is that neither of these plants left their native America before their export by European colonists in 16th century AD.
The 14th Book of "The Shan Hai King" ("The Classic of Mountains and Seas") a written compilation by "Yu" at the request of the Emperor Shun, around 2250 B.C. which describes a land a distance of 30,000 "le" (10,000 miles) across the "Great Eastern Sea" (east of China). The land (North America 10,000 "le" or about 3,000 miles wide, from the Pacific to the Atlantic) has been referred to as a "Mulberry tree" by some of the ancient peoples of Mexico.
That the source of the "Flood" stories and the Biblical legends told to the Conquistadors by the Indians, came from Buddhist teaching;
That the source of the Zapoteca, Maya and Azteca calendar was Asiatic;
That the source of early Mexican writing was Chinese;
That the source of the high cultures in both Peru and Mexico of the fourth and fifth centuries—as well as the "Mongolian spot" and the epicanthic eye-fold, can be attributed to Chinese explorers;
That the basis for the story of Naymlap, in the Province of Lambayeque, Peru, is true and derives from these same sources;
That the source of knowledge of weaving, ceramics, feather-work and metallurgy, together with an understanding of astronomy and mathematics came with the Buddhist priest;
That the root of the earliest Mexican religious philosophy, the dual principle, stems from the Chinese Yin and Yang, the positive and negative theory, and came with the earliest Chinese explorers, more than 4,000 years ago.
Originally posted by Blarneystoner
These volumes contain written descriptions of geographical regions and landmarks that are easily recognizable. The explorers also describe finding precious metals and gemstones such as Gold, Opal, Green Jade, Fire Agate, Quartz and other minerals. Although the land form descriptions in the texts are mentioned only in a casual way, enough data is present, along with descriptions of flora, fauna and mineral findings to be fairly certain that these texts describe regions in the Americas.
The Chinese classic, the Shan Hai King of about 2250 BC, contains what seems to be an accurate description of the Grand Canyon. Peanuts and maize have been found at ancient Chinese sites dating back to 3000BC. The orthodox view is that neither of these plants left their native America before their export by European colonists in 16th century AD.
Could the Mayan god, Kukulkan the "Bearded White Man" actually be one of those ancient Chinese explorers?
A definite "no" on that. He doesn't begin to be associated with the idea of "bearded white man" until about the time Cortez shows up: en.wikipedia.org... Before that, all references are to feathered serpents.
There is some indication that the Spanish came up with the "bearded white man" version. This could have been done through misidentifying the figure of the "vision serpent" (a serpent that carries the head of a man (and sometimes hands) in its mouth) On the Wikipedia page, the picture of the "vision serpent" is not a man in a ceremonial costume with snake legs... it's actually a head and hands emerging from the mouth of a very traditional looking snake. We don't recognize the item as a snake because it's heavily stylized, but if you go look at images of Mayan snakes, you'll soon begin to see the elements.
That the source of the "Flood" stories and the Biblical legends told to the Conquistadors by the Indians, came from Buddhist teaching;
No, that's strictly Christian stuff. Really. Buddhists don't have Flood stories.
That the source of the Zapoteca, Maya and Azteca calendar was Asiatic;
Chinese calendar isn't as complex. Seriously.
That the source of early Mexican writing was Chinese;
That the source of the high cultures in both Peru and Mexico of the fourth and fifth centuries—as well as the "Mongolian spot" and the epicanthic eye-fold, can be attributed to Chinese explorers;
No to the first one, no to the second one, and the epicanthic eye fold means that yes, Native Americans did come from Asia in multiple migrations from 20,000 years ago to 4,000 years ago. They're more similar to the Siberian people.
That the source of knowledge of weaving, ceramics, feather-work and metallurgy, together with an understanding of astronomy and mathematics came with the Buddhist priest;
No, archaeology disproves that. Their knowledge of weaving goes back at least 20,000 years -- far older than Buddha. Metalwork and the others developed at different times.
That the root of the earliest Mexican religious philosophy, the dual principle, stems from the Chinese Yin and Yang, the positive and negative theory, and came with the earliest Chinese explorers, more than 4,000 years ago.
Uhm... "earliest Mexican religious philosophy?" There's no "positive and negative theory" there.
Originally posted by RedBird
reply to post by Blarneystoner
How could there have been a "Buddhist priest" 4000 years ago? Buddhism itself is only about 2600 years old. Siddhartha Gautama was born ~600BCE.
And the concept of the "yin yang", is only about 2200 years old - the notion of a balance between feminine and masculine energies originated with the Confucian school ~200BCE.
I am not at all opposed to the hypothesis of ancient Chinese exploration of North America, and there may very well be evidence for that, but the narrative that you have presented is very, VERY, inaccurate.
Originally posted by tetsuo
I doubt mainstream history would be willing to even re-examine the evidence and see if there is anything of substance in this area, though, much less accept that India has been around for so much longer than currently considered.
First Peoples in a New World: Colonizing Ice Age America by David J. Meltzer www.ucpress.edu...
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
Thanks for the link. I'm always on the lookout for a good read. Now are you saying that the Chinese couldnt have visited the Americas post ice age pre columbian era?
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
I'll look into the book. Thanks again. I believe there is enough circumstantial evidence that the Chinese may have visted. It sounds like the book has convinced you otherwise. I say there was plenty of time for all sorts of visits from many cultures both from the Atlantic as well as the Pacific.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by tetsuo
I doubt mainstream history would be willing to even re-examine the evidence and see if there is anything of substance in this area, though, much less accept that India has been around for so much longer than currently considered.
Sigh. Academic suppression again? Don't you know that the world is full of grad students eager to make their names by shattering paradigms? This statement is simply stupid, and defines the ensuing argument as stupid.
Having to actually prove a notion is not equivalent to suppressing it. Ignoring that simple fact is to promote a scientific idiocracy.
Originally posted by Byrd
"The general consensus of the Chinese scholars is that these are legends and they mention some common legendary animals."
"After over 20 years researching of >, Chinese Scholar Mr. Wang Hong Qi pointed out, the content of was composed of three books in the four different periods. They are > in “Yu ”Dynasty (About 4200 years ago), > in “Xia” Dynasty (About 4200 ~ 3500 years ago), > in “Shang” Dynasty (About 3500~3000 years ago) and “Zhou” Dynasty (About 3000~2200 years ago).
In the book there were recorded a total 447 mountains in 26 mountain ranges; 258 water systems; all kinds of physiognomy in 348 places; diverse of minerals in 673 different locations, various plants in 525 different locations; all kinds of animals in 473 different places and also the human activity in 95 different places. All these record were based on the results coming from the exploration campaign carried in the “Yu” Dynasty."
Originally posted by Byrd
"Uhm... no. There's no accurate descriptions of any geography in the books. Peanuts and maize have not been found at ancient Chinese sites."
Originally posted by Byrd
A definite "no" on that. He doesn't begin to be associated with the idea of "bearded white man" until about the time Cortez shows up: en.wikipedia.org... Before that, all references are to feathered serpents.
Originally posted by Byrd
There is some indication that the Spanish came up with the "bearded white man" version. This could have been done through misidentifying the figure of the "vision serpent" (a serpent that carries the head of a man (and sometimes hands) in its mouth) On the Wikipedia page, the picture of the "vision serpent" is not a man in a ceremonial costume with snake legs... it's actually a head and hands emerging from the mouth of a very traditional looking snake. We don't recognize the item as a snake because it's heavily stylized, but if you go look at images of Mayan snakes, you'll soon begin to see the elements."
Quetzalcoatl was described as a white man, with a beard, who wore long robes, and who gave a message of love, forbidding the blood sacrifice, teaching of the One Supreme God, and giving the Toltecs many material things of their culture, such as the calendar. He left the Toltecs because of the enmity and persecution of powerful religious leaders, but promised one day to return, as he had left, from the East, over the ocean.
"One goes forth as ambassador. Another awakens Itzamna Kauil (God of the Heavens) in the west."
Also, on the same page, it says:
"The temple receives its guests, the bearded ones from the lands of the Sun (the east). They are bringers of a sign from our Father God: blessings in abundance!"
Originally posted by Byrd
No, that's strictly Christian stuff. Really.
Originally posted by Byrd
Buddhists don't have Flood stories