-TinFoil Contingency Plan-

reply to post by hadriana


true, one of the disadvantages to transmitting something is anybody in range can receive it.

code languages and cryptology would make a comeback.

although its a bit interesting to note that one of the FCC's only conditions for doing this is you cannot transmit anything encrypted or coded...


the chicken has left the coop. i repeat, the chicken has left the coop...

decentralization would be hard. Having a system for the entire population to use - you need the resources of arpanet to make a new internet....

Still old ways seem the best to me. In WWII they had rouge radio operators with mobile transmitters that would set up at the drop of a hat.

If you wanted it for the public, well...maybe combine the idea of rogue operators with pirate radio and a retrans type system - IE instead of using crypto with OTPs predistributed, use a OTP that is just frequencies to bounce to, and when. Only distribute so many days in advance.

reply to post by Emptiness Dancing


your correct, the average joe has to be able to get in somehow.

in my mind i was thinking each locality would have its own operator, but the more i think about it the more im convinced that centralizing it even locally isnt the best idea.

ive heard they have RLAN routers you can buy, but never looked into it.

this is why i think it would help to have the ability to broadcast shortwave, because all people would need to do is know where to tune in to in case of emergency, and receive instructions from there, whatever they may be.

Originally posted by hadriana
If you wanted it for the public, well...maybe combine the idea of rogue operators with pirate radio and a retrans type system - IE instead of using crypto with OTPs predistributed, use a OTP that is just frequencies to bounce to, and when. Only distribute so many days in advance.

If TPTB are cutting methods for the people to communicate in the name of National security - everything and anything setup to communicate would become a security threat and made illegal. So ... everything would be "rogue."

Crypto would definitely rise again for secrets.

another issue is the callsign.

to use amateur radio you are supposed to be licensed and receive a unique string of numbers and letters that is used to identify you when your on the air.

during regular transmission the operator simply says their callsign aloud, but in packet radio i believe its tied to the packetdata.

im not sure how enforced it all is. but i dont really see anything stopping anybody from just making one up. im ignorant to how all of that works, im not an operator. i just scan

Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
another issue is the callsign.

to use amateur radio you are supposed to be licensed and receive a unique string of numbers and letters that is used to identify you when your on the air.

during regular transmission the operator simply says their callsign aloud, but in packet radio i believe its tied to the packetdata.

im not sure how enforced it all is. but i dont really see anything stopping anybody from just making one up. im ignorant to how all of that works, im not an operator. i just scan

As I wrote above, if TPTB are crushing communications any effort like discussed in this thread would be rogue and ignoring laws and regulation. Call signs would be irrelevant.

Another subtopic of all this would be the ability to use the same rogue networks for disinformation.

Right - and that is the problem with distributed gnutella like system - node poisoning. Even in a darknet system, if they get one node, they can corrupt whatever is transmitted from it.

If they ever make communication illegal, we're screwed anyway. Time to null and void the laws because they would have become unquestionably tyrannical.

good points.

i didnt think of the disinfo aspect, although i guess it wouldnt be anything much different than what we deal with on the net.

one thing to note is this only applies to the US. so im wondering if somebody on the border of canada would be able to simply broadcast over to the other side and have a gateway to the rest of the worlds internet.


unless canada is shut down too. which could more than likely be the case.

Is there any way for them to track where a HAM radio signal is coming from? If so, mobile units might be a good idea.

Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
Greetings conspiracy buffs.

there has been growing concerns surrounding the "kill switch" that is being implemented to shut down our internets. it would be foolish for one to think they would go to all this trouble, and not use it. So at this point....after all the "maybes" and "what ifs"... i think its safe to say we need nothing short of a full scale backup plan.

Communications are a necessity. And now that our main means of long distance communication has been compromised, we need a new means of congregating ideas, and relaying information. This infrastructure will be crucial during a SHTF scenario, so it must be established beforehand.... and trust me when i say....they will shut the net down when we need it most...

Now then....the subject of Alternative communications has been discussed many times, and out of all the brainstorming there was one particular idea that stood out in my eyes as possibly viable. i would like to discuss specifically "Packet Radio".

in the early 80's there was a lesser known faction of the Amateur radio scene called "Packet Radio". PR was essentially the first "wireless internet", and worked by transmitting data packets over the air.

one would setup a special modem to their PC, and a transceiver (big walkie talkie) to the modem. with the necessary software, one could easily transmit HTTP data, FTP, email, etc... now-a-day they have whats called a TNC(terminal node controller) that does everything for you but its a little more costly @ around $100.

once transmitted, the signal is received by either another terminal or a repeater station. the signal is then repackaged and re-broadcast further down the network.each packet of data is simply relayed from terminal to terminal.

Short of a power failure, this cannot be "shut down". the infrastructure already exists throughout the Ham networks.With a few volunteers in key regional areas, one could easily set up a functioning network. a simple Bulliten Board System would suffice.

ideally, at the heart of this network would lie the main hub. Alex Jones and infowars is a perfect example of an ideal main hub, because they are located right in the center of the nation(austin) and they have the ability to broadcast via shortwave. one could broadcast instructions over shortwave, and reach everybody who knew to tune to that frequency in the event of a Net-Kill.

(PROS)
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-we would have our own internet that could not be shut down, whilest the rest of the nation sits in the dark.
-no service fees

(CONS)
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-slow
-insecure
-takes logistical effort
-must purchase necessary equipment
-supposed to have callsign. im not sure how enforced that is or will be during a SHTF



to put it into perspective, the network as it stands right now is already vast. you can also access the real internet through a gateway at the university of california - san diego (although that would be inaccessible during a netkill). The point is the network already exists. we simply have to join it.

What say you ATS?

viable continuity of internet plan?

or overkill/lost cause?

keep in mind they can keep the internet down for i think up to 6 months

edit on 23-10-2010 by RelentlessLurker because: spellering

They will NEVER be able to shut down the WHOLE internet. Unless it was done country by country. One by one.

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I also believe that the time will come when we will no longer be able to use the Internet to communicate. A time when we will no longer be able to confer with our ATS brethren. The solution for this is not to find a way to create our own Internet; as the OP stated, our own ad hoc networks would be vulnerable to tapping.
Instead, I suggest you all find like-minded individuals in your own communities. In case of a SHTF scenario your online comrades will be of no use to you.
While the Internet has done amazing work in connecting us to people across countries and oceans, it has disconnected us from our own neighbors just feet or miles away from us.
I hesitate in doling out advice but I'll say this: find a few people you can trust that you can contact no matter what happens. If the Internet goes down, there's a chance you may not be able to use your cellphone either. So in addition to having physically close allies, have a rendezvous location in case you need to get out of Dodge.
I believe these are just basic survival techniques, but our addiction to technology has prohibited us from thinking about all of the angles. Plan as if you will have nothing; that way anything you do have will seem like a blessing and will give you an advantage.
It reminds me of grade school when I was in chess club. My teacher use to make us start out the game with no queen. It makes you think about things differently and decreases your dependence on such luxury items. Because let's face it, if TSHTF, cell phones, computers, even cars may be a luxury.
So get up from the computer every once in a while and go for a long walk too.

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You can bet that if the net is shutdown we'll all still get bills in the mail...

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reply to post by ltdan08


the internet as we already know it is vulnerable to "tapping".

and this is a netkill scenario, not Armageddon.


but hey i appreciate the reply.

If the internet is shut down you'd best get ready for some serious # to follow. With all the crap that goes on right in front of our faces without concern there would have to be something really serious planned.

If they really want to stop communications and shut down the internet ...

>Any centralized hub would be targeted/shut down. (BBS, Packet hubs, etc ...)

>Cell phones could be made useless. Here in NY during 911 many circuits were reserved for emergency communications and the average person could not make calls. (or found it very difficult, though texts did go through)

>Most common channelized forms of radio communications in use by civilians could easily be disrupted. (CB, FRS, GMRS, MURS, Business "DOT" frequencies, etc ...) All of those combined are only realistically a handful of specific frequencies.

>Any non encrypted communications are easily subject to interception, but more importantly, you leave yourself easily open to disinformation. If *I* were to hear my enemy communicating in the clear I would let them continue. I would just feed misinformation to them and set a trap.

The only option I see is a non centralized ham radio network with the capability of using encrypted packet on multiple bands and frequencies. The people, equipment, and knowledge is already in place. It would just take some coordination.

Another option I have looked into briefly is microwave communication of computer networks. We already have common wireless routers operating at 2.4ghz. The problem is their low power. A small amplifier, good antenna, and a high place to mount it can mean many miles of communications. Unfortunately, this suffers the same problem of only using a handful of frequencies so it's fairly easy to disrupt.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't TPTB hitting the kill switch be like cutting their own throats in more ways than enraging the GP? Practically EVERY business in the US is run by computers and networking and that electronic idea that passes for money crosses the world via the web. This would effectively put every modern business and most banks out of business, or am I not seeing the bigger picture here? Enlighten me, please.

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Essentially their kill switch would most likely only shut out the GP. Government recognized organizations and businesses would be "allowed" to operate on the net. As a previous poster stated that during 09/11/01 the networks were reserved for emergency service communications. Likely after communications are seized Martial law will probably be invoked, guns confiscated, NWO established.

Interesting thread.

reply to post by Primordial


thanks for all of the relevant info.

im curious as to how they disrupt the citizen bands. wouldnt they need to be literally everywhere?

Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
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thanks for all of the relevant info.

im curious as to how they disrupt the citizen bands. wouldnt they need to be literally everywhere?

Depends where you are.

If you have access to height, it's easy. A high power transmitter mounted on the Empire State Building (or other high skyscraper, which most large cities have at least a few tall buildings) set to transmit constant noise on the CB frequencies could easily make communication difficult over a few hundred miles.

Or, if we're talking serious crap hitting the fan.. a few high flying planes over the US could wreak havoc on comms. They could do it here just like they do it over hostile territory now.

Me personally .... I have my amateur license with various radios able to transmit from 1.8Mhz up to 450Mhz along with a few CB's, GMRS radios, scanners, computers, data interfaces, software, etc, etc, ...

I think I have the basics covered. I would like to get a few encrypted radios but can't really afford the big price tag.

The internet acts as a babysitter and in times of crisis it tranquilizes the subscribers. The last thing the PTB wants is people running around locally taking real action in the streets during a crisis. Much more effective to steer all the emotional types into wasting time typing on forums like Wikileaks where you can track their response.

That being said there obviously are surgical strike page level censoring mechanisms available for rogue Hannibal the Cannibals. I'm not a great believer in public key encryption. One time pads work but trying to distribute keys like they did with SIGSALY is not only expensive, the UPS guy can map your network.