Republican congressional candidate says violent overthrow of government is 'on the table'

Originally posted by Misoir
I think before we could honestly consider overthrowing the government violently they must first be harming all of us directly. Not just because an election doesn't give you the results you want, that is 100% childish and immature, I truly believe people like him should be locked up in jail for treason.

It's a good thing people like you are not in power, oh yeah..they are. Sedition is a right and just cause in the times we face and, to the begrudement of you ilk, protected under that pesky 1st amendment...for now.

After careful review of the article and giving it alot of thoughts the following questions do come to mind.
This country was founded on certain principles and ideas. The founding fathers at one time were all very loyal subjects to the British empire. The monarchy and the parliment, treated the people of the colonies like second class citizens, those under that rule rebelled and decided that enough was enough, wrote a formal declaration, explaining the reasons why the seperations was justified and needed, and then proceeded to engage in an armed conflict. The next time the country would be put to the test for the very ideas under the consitution would be during the civil war, then again during the civil rights movements.
Since the founding of the United States of America, there has always been a system of checks and balances, to prevent one branch of the Federal Government from overstepping its bounds, the very nature of each branch is clearly defined. The Legislative branch makes the laws, the President enforces, and the Judicial branch determines what is and is not permissible under the Constitution, to where it is applied equally and fairly to all of the citizens of this country. In the many years that some of us have been alive, we have seen the best and the worst of this countries governments. Many problems that are occuring today is not the fault of the current adminstration, rather it comes from past adminstrations., as many of the laws and bills were passed, thinking it was the correct action at the time, but many did not fail to see the ramification for the long term. Combine that, with too many congresses and adminstrations that governed unwisely, and the difficulty of removing either a law that is no longer needed or is out right wrong, then the small problem starts to become a big one.
The question that is at hand, and has been put forth is about violently overthrowing the government. Yet no one has really explained as to why and at what point should that really be an option, beyond we do not like the other guy or party. Very few of the groups or individuals who advocate this has ever sat down and explained why, or where the line in the sand is to be drawn, or at what point should it become necessary to do such.
Revolutions and civil wars may seem like a good option to explore, but the reality is that it is neither a good option or an easy one to do. Nor has there ever been the discussion on how to clean up the mess that is left in its wake, and to help the country heal from this horrid wound that will leave a scar on many generations to come. The last armed conflict, the civil war, it took a good 100 years for the scars to finally heal, and yet there are those who would pick and pick at the healing scar, to never let such die down and be forgotten, this keeps it alive and never really ending.
Any civil war or armed conflict that happens will tear the country apart, as such has never been justified, or fully explained as to why this is needed. We may not like the current government and may feel that it is governing unwisely, however, the will of the people cannot be ignored. The best thing that could happen is that at the voting booths is for the people to get out and vote. If the elected official goes through and steals the election by fraud, then it is for we the people to demand a recall and to remove that politician from office.
If there is a problem with the politicians that are in office, ultimately this started with we the people, as we did not do our homework, or choose not to vote. I have met and talked to many different people, who all stated, what is the point of voting, when it appears that their vote did not matter in any election.
If the politician wants to make a change for the good, and for the will of the people to be known, then he needs to inspire people to get out and vote, not to just ignore that fact, or to complain on how badly officials are doing at their jobs.
Right now, this year, is going to be a historic year, as many people are going to get out, during a midterm election and actually vote, and are going to be looking very carefully at the canidates that are wanting the job. That is where the change begins, that is where the real power of our political system exists.
But often, as I sit and watch, I must wonder, what is the line in the sand that would cause normal every day people to actually take up arms against their government to overthrow it in an armed civil war, that would pit brother against brother, tear families apart, and cause another deep wound to happen. What would be reasons and issues that would cause this to happen.

I say "bring it on" ..

The DOI (declaration of independence) allows for us to overthrow our own government branches, to "oust the contributors to the growing government", and replace them with actual representation of the "people", not the corporations and specific individual desires, up to and including "lethal force" which is why the 2nd amendment is so important..

The Declaration Of Independence says:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[72] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.""


Created June–July 1776
Ratified July 4, 1776

If people really wanted to make this happen, they have the right, and the responsibility to make it happen, otherwise, we will fall as a nation far sooner then anyone predicts, and it will come "like a thief in the night"..

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This is your quote " Clinton didn't say that banks and other mortgage lenders have the right to lend money" , but in all actuality, Bill Clinton did in fact mandate that the banks needed to loan out monies so that all could reach the american dream. Sadly, in his decision, he failed to place regulation upon it. Which allowed these financiers to decide the rules and ultimately the negative outcome of the market.

Jefferson said every generation should have its own revolution. Inciting violence over election results is not the way to go, however, revolution should not be unconsidered when the dollar collapses and the gov't begins to forge the North American Union. Our FF fought for sovereignty. Such an amalgamation into a supra-national state would dissolve the inalienable rights and freedoms we so fervently fought for for the sake of national security/the interest of the NWO/the bankers of the world.

Being a slave ain't fun,

IMHO.

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Your comment is based of off what? Your opinion. You stated that the Republican party screwed this country up enough, and yet any politician of either party will agree, and any person of political party ( that is knowledgeable of historical facts ) would agree that during the 1980's, which by the way was spear headed by Ronald Reagan, was the most prominent time of fiscal responsibility, and the most financially profitable for all working citizens. So, one can clearly see that your comment is severely biased, and further supports ones arrogance.

What do ATS members think about this option?



What I think is that here is a church guy who is used to saying whatever he wants from the pulpit. So seldom does anyone object or question him that he is spoiled like a little kid. So it is no surprise that a dork like this comes up with a remark like that.

Hey rev I think Jesus would roll his eyes at you buddy. You need to remember that in the church you are safe 'cause half the people don't care what you say and the other half are asleep but in public there are adults listening so be careful and think before speaking. D'oh.

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Originally posted by Misoir
I think before we could honestly consider overthrowing the government violently they must first be harming all of us directly. Not just because an election doesn't give you the results you want, that is 100% childish and immature, I truly believe people like him should be locked up in jail for treason.

In jail for treason? When a socialist or communist party takes over a free nation, United States, which law is based upon the Constitution and these laws are broken, then it goes a little something like this “ A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. ” Our founding fathers put that into the Constitution because they knew someday tyranny would return.

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Well hold on cowboy, lets not go all the way back to the 80's. We're talking about the current financial recession and republican lock step policies that caused a financial crisis in this country that has been the worst since the depression. If you want to say I'm biased, I would suggest you read the entire reply. I called for the corrupt (2) party system to be dis banned, and also suggested that the Obama administration is one of the same. If you can't look beyond the failings of your own party than I guess you my friend are bias. The republican party took a hold of this country for the previous 8 years and called for fiscal responsibility, yet they clearly over spent and got us into 2 wars. (1) war may I say, was completely illegal and an attack on a sovereign nation. If you agree on the precedence that the Iraq war was legitimate, your bias is with you my friend. If you want to defend any party in this country, you're defending the elite and politicians who really don't have your well being in mind. If you think otherwise your fooling yourself. When the supreme court can overturn and allow corporations to contribute to campaigns, that alone should tell you who our courts and our government are in bed with. Have you taken any notice the amount of money for political campaigns that have been circulating for this coming election No, I'm not biased I just call a duck a duck.

Originally posted by Misoir
I think before we could honestly consider overthrowing the government violently they must first be harming all of us directly. Not just because an election doesn't give you the results you want, that is 100% childish and immature, I truly believe people like him should be locked up in jail for treason.

i think what he means is if a new different type of government isnt elected soon then things are going to get much worse which will then lead to violent overthrow..you think him saying that is treason? your the exact person we could all do without

Originally posted by Aggie Man
Regarding Stephen Broden's comments, what an un-American thing to do. Don't like the election results, then overthrow the government. A favorite tactic of 3rd world countries and bratty kids that don't get their way.

One thing is certain, this guy won't get elected now.

i wonder how many people misunderstood what he meant...he wasnt saying if an election produces wrong results then overthrow it...hes saying...if elections dont produce a new type of leader to put an end to the freedom killing money grabbing goons we got now then a violent overthrow is a deffinate option.

most people prey for better leadership...you can just sit in the corner and vote for your morons while everyone else tries to make real change.

Violent protesting may happen anyways,some people go overboard.It is not that bad.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


Hi everyone,i'm new here but have been reading for quite some time.

I am by no means a republican but I really see no alternative to saving our country,not for republicans or democrats but for WE THE PEOPLE..the big banks and the fat cats who control everything need to be dealt with and voting for democrats or republicans won't work anymore there all on the take one way or another,and the new ones get there ass handed to them by the establishment..
Violence is of course a last resort/last straw decision but I see no way out of this mess...

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Why won't Texas just secede? It could be that other states would eventually follow suite. Secession has been something that Texas has always brought up, but it hasn't happened yet. I wonder why?

reply to post by shai hulud

But often, as I sit and watch, I must wonder, what is the line in the sand that would cause normal every day people to actually take up arms against their government to overthrow it in an armed civil war, that would pit brother against brother, tear families apart, and cause another deep wound to happen. What would be reasons and issues that would cause this to happen.

I think one of the facets that have exacerbated the present problems we face, is the lack of trustworthy information. At every level of government and society, information is filtered to the benefit of those presenting the information, until it becomes so biased, so changed that it isn't information anymore, it is propaganda. The news media certainly plays a huge role in this misrepresentation of information. Congress and the President, of course, have their own mouthpieces of propaganda. The Presidential press secretaries would put Joe Goebbels to shame. When citizens are told that they only way they can find out what is in an extremely important piece of legislation is to pass it, so they can see what is in it, it shows how twisted the entire political process has become. Both parties play the same game. For the last 2 years, it has been the Democrats, the prior 8 is was the Republicans, and on and on.
Instead of a Representative government, we now have essentially a dictatorship, consisting of the three branches of government, with all three branches guilt of the crime. Judges no longer make decisions based upon the Constitution and laws of the US, but rather based upon politics, and favors owed. Congress does not represent the people any more, but rather represent the lobbyists, and the President no longer leads based on the good of the people, but rather upon the good of the corporations and unions.
It is no wonder some have come to believe that violence is the only way. Although personally, I have a hard time justifying violence, as the only people hurt will be the average citizen, but I certainly understand the frustration of some, if not many people, who feel that violence is the last resort.

The process is so truly corrupted from bottom to top, that trying to "fix it" becomes an impossible task, since the system is rigged against major changes.In addition, any meaningful attempt requires substantial amounts of money, a resource not available to the average citizen. Look at the money being spent by candidates who are wealthy. That money could probably balance state budgets if pooled together, but instead it is spent on propaganda and negative ads, which in most cases, are not only lies, but concentrate on issues not even connected to the office the target is running for.

It was the utter disgust with the system prior to the American Revolution that caused the overthrow of the King and the British troops. Whether we have reached a similar point, time will tell.

A Pastor, separation of Church and State.This is why I feel religion is not about what it should be preaching but has become a political organ of a certain party, and therefore should be taxed.We rail on about how Islam is a faith of hate and bloodshed then someone says something like this.Who are the terrorists?