Iraqi leaders not following US advice on gov't

Iraqi leaders not following US advice on gov't

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American influence has so dwindled in Iraq over the last several months that Iraqi lawmakers and political leaders say they no longer follow Washington's advice for forming a government.
Instead, Iraqis are turning to neighboring nations, and especially Iran, for guidance — casting doubt on the future of the American role in this strategic country after a grinding war that killed more than 4,400 U.S. soldiers.

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With all of the accusations of empire building that have gone along with the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, this story seems to cast doubts upon either the validity of that belief - or in the efficacy of the US to accomplish it.

My personal view was that Iraq was more stable under the regime of Saddam Hussein than it has been since the regime change, and than it will be for foreseeable future.

With Iraq apparently moving towards tighter relations with Iran one could argue that our presence there has stabilized the region to some degree. Of course it's just as easy to argue that this is the sign of anything but stability. I suppose only time will tell.

So.... two wars and nearly ten years of conflict. Washington leaving the picture with limited influence which may dissolve to none...

Was our excursion into Iraq worth the American lives lost in the endeavor? Did we serve our best interests, those of the Iraqi people, and of that region, and the world?

Beats me, but I hope it was not all in vain.



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Bumping before bed - Content of the article is very important IMO

Hardly surprising really...would you want to take advice of the US or (insert many other countries here) on how to run a government?

Not he greatest role models really are they?

Lies, corruption, fleecing the public, greedy, ruthless, selfish....all traits i would not want to replicate should i ever want to form a government.

CX.

reply to post by Hefficide

Well! What do you expect? The American form of government is not for everyone! It's chaotic, relies mainly on private investors funding their candidates of choice (not unlike the allegations of corruption being levelled at the Iraqui and Afghanistani political systems)... It has a human rights system that mirrors China under Mao! It has a terrible track record of racism and poverty exists side by side with stunning affluence... I don't agree with anything Hitler said, except that America was a degenerate democracy! Not surprising then that Iraqui politicians are giving you the boot!

I want to see the Iraq abandon all oilfields for foreign contractors.
Force foreign entities out of its countries, and then rebuild the oilfields and fund things themselves.

Kick those f'n american and british corps out.

Well one way or another Iraq is going to have to deal with the Iranian problem . Iran's leaders fear Iraq becoming a successful democracy even more so in the face of the mass protests that took place in that country .
Besides on a fundamental level why would Iraq take political advice from the USA a country whose government is arguable designed not to function ?
Not to mention the fact that all the Senate really does is aim to get re elected every two years .

Cheers xpert11.

This is to be expected. Iran is a regional neighbor as well as other neighboring countries. I hope they don't relegate themselves into be a puppet or satellite state of Iran. However, if they can coexist on equal footing and with mutual respect, I see no problem in it. What is alarming to me, is what the Prime Minister, Nouri Al Maliki, has up his sleeve regarding Iran? Tehran has given him their blessing and support.He has recently visited Tehran, meeting President Mahmoud Ahmadenijad, the Mullahs, and the self exiled Iraqi cleric, Moqtada Al Sadr, in the Iranian holy city of Qom. Al Sadr was allegedly responsible for violence and sectarian killing before the surge in 2007. His Mahdi Militia was defeated by both US and Iraqi Forces in 2008. Al Sadr would later disband his militia, refocus his efforts on politics, and move to Iran where he remains.

Al Sadr's party gave Al Maliki the much needed seats to usurp the efforts by the secular Sunni backed, Iraqiya Party, to appoint the Prime Minister and form the government given their narrow majority over Al Maliki's Shia political parties. For the past seven months, Al Maliki has been dragging his feet and putting up obstruction as he makes deals with the Kurds and other Shiite affiliated parties to gain a majority after the fact. Iraqiya leader and former Prime Minister, Eyad Allawi, has made some bold statements about Al Maliki's State of Law Alliance as well.

Al Maliki seeks Iran's backing for government

"We know that unfortunately Iran is trying to wreak havoc in the region, and trying to destabilise the region by destabilising Iraq, Lebanon and the Palestinian issue," Allawi told CNN on Sunday.

"And this is where unfortunately Iraq and the rest of the greater Mideast is falling victim to these terrorists who are definitely Iran-financed and supported by various governments in the region."

The US has remained mum about the manipulation of the Iraqi political process during this period of political gridlock. This new government when it forms, will not be a government appointed by the people, but a government put together by the politicians through backroom deals, bribes, and who knows what else? So, personally, the spark of democracy in Iraq has fizzled out, because of one politician's reluctance to relinquish power in accordance to the March 2010 parliamentary election results. The cost of war in Iraq: 4,000 KIA, a trillion or so dollars, scores killed or displaced, a resurgence of terrorism and extremism, and the further destabilization of the region; priceless.

Hardly unique.. anyone remember Vietnam? despite the USAs' best effort of dispatching millions of souls, enough of the people said "no" to both: being led by a foreign puppet, or occupied. Oh, you mean hier bush, wolfwhiz and the neo-clown liars didn't include any scenario where foreign masses rejected laughable incompetent GOP & DNC leadership, so called, and recycled failed ideas?.. bush never gave an Iraqi POV ?.. his crew only spouted happy talk of cheap cakewalks Iraqis would happily pay liberators for!!.. whatever talking points polled best eh? lmao...

The man can only fool and/or bribe some of the indigenous people, if the Iraqi masses, like the Vietnamese, don't buy into US party leader lies and or whatever the lapdog puppet has to say.. the DC elite lose. And they are losing.. well another war anyway.. war profiteers raked in billions and politicians enjoyed the drunk from double shots of purse string influence.. lol..

The whole war on terror is such a farce