The Messiah Complex

Originally posted by nakiannunaki
Indeed. The real question is does the Messiah have a Messiah Complex?

Considering that the psychological term came about two thousand years afterwards, then I'd say no. But if time is irrelevant here, then yes. I personally believe Jesus was an amazing entity, an enlightened individual, and yes, he did have a "divine" mission. Furthermore, he was an ET Soul who came to help humanity advance.

But I'll tell you more. I am sure many human beings are amazing entities too and some may be quite enlightened individuals as well, and yes, many also have "divine" missions to carry out. Not to mention some of them are also ET Souls.

The problem is when people think there must be just one Messiah, or when people think they are that one Messiah (and thus, no one else can share that title).

All in all, I don't understand why so many negative connotations are given to the Messiah Complex.

I think even negative oriented entities can be Messiahs in their own right.

After all, Messiah, Saviour, Christ, Buddha, Gobbledygook, Whatever, they are just words. And people have a tendency to fight over words and get stuck on their literal structure, failing to grasp the true meaning/message/teaching underlying them (take metaphors for example).

People who have the Messiah Complex have a reason to do so, otherwise they wouldn't have it. So I say, don't shun it, embrace it, and just do what you came here to do.

Originally posted by nakiannunaki
Messiah Complex, in short, it is when a person feels he/she is the chosen World Messiah.

Or that they are specially chosen by God for a mission and they are the only ones that can do it, or that they are to be the messiah to a certain segment of the population ... that sort of thing. It can be from any religion, not just Christians.
Even a stand alone faith .. one that the person came up with him or her self.

Click here to see a Perfect example of delusion .. a person thinking that they have been called by their god to bring people to believe just like they do .. or those people are evil and going to hell.

Originally posted by catwhoknows
Anyone with the Messiah complex is mentally ill,

Yep. Thankfully it is possible to find cures for mentally ill people.
Cures ... or at least medication to help them be more stable.

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I read something one of the saints said .. can't remember which saint ... that every soul is a universe unto itself. That is soooooo deep. And it's soooooo true.

Originally posted by RKallisti

Originally posted by nakiannunaki
Indeed. The real question is does the Messiah have a Messiah Complex?

Considering that the psychological term came about two thousand years afterwards, then I'd say no. But if time is irrelevant here, then yes. I personally believe Jesus was an amazing entity, an enlightened individual, and yes, he did have a "divine" mission. Furthermore, he was an ET Soul who came to help humanity advance.

But I'll tell you more. I am sure many human beings are amazing entities too and some may be quite enlightened individuals as well, and yes, many also have "divine" missions to carry out. Not to mention some of them are also ET Souls.

The problem is when people think there must be just one Messiah, or when people think they are that one Messiah (and thus, no one else can share that title).

All in all, I don't understand why so many negative connotations are given to the Messiah Complex.

I think even negative oriented entities can be Messiahs in their own right.

After all, Messiah, Saviour, Christ, Buddha, Gobbledygook, Whatever, they are just words. And people have a tendency to fight over words and get stuck on their literal structure, failing to grasp the true meaning/message/teaching underlying them (take metaphors for example).

People who have the Messiah Complex have a reason to do so, otherwise they wouldn't have it. So I say, don't shun it, embrace it, and just do what you came here to do.

edit on 11-11-2010 by RKallisti because: Spell-check corrections.

Exactly and could it not also mean that having A Messiah Complex is a prerequisite of true enlightenment? Perhaps as humanity evolves we will begin rising to the surface and more and more humans will be experience this condition.

And yes i agree it seems that all it has recieved is bad press when in fact it is very much something to be embraced.

I think if we can define the intent of the person we can safely assume what their goal would be ie if their intent was benevolent then there goal would be a peacful one and vice versa.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by nakiannunaki
Messiah Complex, in short, it is when a person feels he/she is the chosen World Messiah.

Or that they are specially chosen by God for a mission and they are the only ones that can do it, or that they are to be the messiah to a certain segment of the population ... that sort of thing. It can be from any religion, not just Christians.
Even a stand alone faith .. one that the person came up with him or her self.

Click here to see a Perfect example of delusion .. a person thinking that they have been called by their god to bring people to believe just like they do .. or those people are evil and going to hell.

Originally posted by catwhoknows
Anyone with the Messiah complex is mentally ill,

Yep. Thankfully it is possible to find cures for mentally ill people.
Cures ... or at least medication to help them be more stable.

reply to post by Gazrok

 

I read something one of the saints said .. can't remember which saint ... that every soul is a universe unto itself. That is soooooo deep. And it's soooooo true.

edit on 11/11/2010 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)

I think it is a wrong assumption to just box people with a messiah complex into the mentally insane catagory as it is slightly more complex than that. Also the link you provided was not an example of someone claiming to be a messiah or someone exhibiting the messiah complex. Raj Patel has time and time again refuted the claims of being any kind of messiah so i personally dont think he has a messiah complex.

Originally posted by nakiannunaki
I think it is a wrong assumption to just box people with a messiah complex into the mentally insane catagory as it is slightly more complex than that.

Mental health issues is different than being 'insane'. Anyone who thinks they have been given a direct mission from God and can hear the voice of God give him/her the 'mission' ... that is clear evidence of a possible/probable mental health issue. Hearing heavenly voices giving a mission? Sure, God could do it. But usually .. not.

the link you provided was not an example of someone claiming to be a messiah or someone exhibiting the messiah complex.

The poster has over and over again said that he has been called by God to spread his version of religion. Thinking you have been directly hired by God to go out and spread a false gospel .. that's a perfect example of someone with a messiah complex.

Raj Patel has time and time again refuted the claims of being any kind of messiah so i personally dont think he has a messiah complex.

I didn't say Raj Patel had the messiah complex. I'm talking about the person who started the thread. Read through it. Look at the wording he uses. Brainwashed and/or messiah complex. VERY possible.

Actually we shouldn't consider this dissorder as being like a mental illness.
If a person feels like he is powerfull enough to change something this should be encouraged (ok if its in a bad way then that person should be treated a bit .. but who knows maybe bad things change other things into good ...) because if all people would feel like they count and that they can make a difference this world would be a lot more different.

Not to mention that the huge masses of mindless zombies would decrease in size. (mindless zombie = a person that goes about minding his own business not caring about things happening arround him and is only interested in his own welness)

Hope i made my point clear and i didn't confuse any of you in any way.

Exactly and could it not also mean that having A Messiah Complex is a prerequisite of true enlightenment? Perhaps as humanity evolves we will begin rising to the surface and more and more humans will be experience this condition.

I wouldn't say that it is a prerequisite for true enlightenment, but it could be a sign. I just believe different people have different roles to play on Earth. No, I don't believe in destiny. But I believe in past lives and life after death, so people are either directed to carry out a particular purpose before incarnating and/or they volunteer themselves to do it.

I tend to hold myself from throwing "insane" people into the asylum, because I'm sure there's a reason as to why they feel the way they do. I don't believe in science or doctors. They know things, but their knowledge is most of the times partial and limited, as they themselves are constantly drawing conclusions while studying/examining/analyzing the subject. It's like, "what fits better with the book?", "well, this person here has this and that symptom, so let's sum up the points and see what we get", "oh, look at that, according to the rule book, he must have the Messiah Complex", "alright, good job people, we solved another case".

But I'm also aware that possessions and such things are also possible. Then again, the spirit overtaking the host body could have a mission to carry out.

I think if we can define the intent of the person we can safely assume what their goal would be ie if their intent was benevolent then there goal would be a peacful one and vice versa.

Problem is, like I always say, that people only tend to see things from the "good" side without ever considering the need and purpose of the "evil" side. Just because you stand here firmly believing the Bible is the word of God, there may be someone else who seeks to serve Satan because it just seems better for him (that's just an example, don't take it literal). The purpose of human beings in this 3rd Dimension is to polarize themselves, to decide their orientations as to what path they will take: Service-to-Self or Service-to-Others (and neither path is wrong).

Finally, anyone could be a Messiah. Although, sure, as far as I know, there was just one who was recognized as such by the people and later crucified on the cross for his people. If that is a requisite to be a Messiah, then I don't think anyone is one.

i just read a post that said the messiah is not on Earth. How do you know? your ridiculous bible??? thats funny. You guys really dont know who to expect or how yet you speak with such empty authority. When Jesus revealed himself, he too was called crazy. Some1 will be the Messiah. And she will surprise the world. Let no man deceive you..coming on the clouds could mean many things..coming in dreams, coming via the internet, coming in a spaceship etc etc The question you must ask these wanna be Messiahs is what will the new world be like. Do not accept any biblical response for the true Messiah knows this truth well.

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Perhaps somebody with a "Messiah Complex" is one who has faced hardship as if being tested mentally and emotionally, helps influence people through a way other than preaching a message and helping people achieve betterment of themselves (either spiritually, physically or even a medium such as becoming a better actor, writer or the like through advice, people constantly coming to that person, flocking to them for that reason)?

This person may also suffer a lack of real friendships, family connections but yet have people again coming to them for advice on something, seeing them as the best of the best in that field.

The person may also have no real understanding of why they exist due to the lack of emotional connections to others but at the same time feel love for others emitting from them, be sympathetic and empathetic to others and boost their ego, make people feel appreciated. Maybe even feel that despite everything such as the isolation, they have an inkling of a higher purpose although what that purpose is they do not know yet.

Those are just my thoughts on the issue. Interesting thread though.

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there sure are alot on this list>>> en.wikipedia.org...

her we have another nut claiming to be Jesus with his followers getting 666 tattoo's www.youtube.com...

Interestingly, few people who have a Messiah Complex seem to be Christians. Maybe it's because a) they have a healthy respect for Jesus and wouldn't dream of being him; and b) because it's been hammered into them that they're inferior beings who are only saved from fire and brimstone by the grace of God.

I've known a few people with a Messiah Complex (most of them guys) and they all came from the New Age community. IMO, the reason may be that a) a lot of New Agers have no concept of reality and are completely immersed in some esoteric la-la land; b) by emphasizing ideas like Jesus as an "Ascended Master," the concept of "Christ Consciousness" and "YOU are God," godhood seems a lot more attainable to New Agers than believers from orthodox religions.

I personally have known a guy who refused to get a job because he was "doing God's work." He had a kind of "saintly" demeanor and would always hang around in local bars and coffee houses and preach to everyone and anyone, whether they wanted to hear it or not. His favorite phrase was "The heart is the key and the key is the heart," coming from some enormous revelation he ostensibly had out in the desert one day.

This guy had two ex-wives and one child that lived in the same, small town in Arizona, but he neither paid child support nor did he ever visit his daughter... because he had to do "God's work." Since he didn't have money (no job = no money), he'd always find new, gullible women who'd be raptured by his drivel and would take him under their wing and provide for him. At the same time, though, he was incredibly possessive and jealous, and kept his "providers" like slaves. Of course that wouldn't go well for long, so he went through women like clean shirts.

The last I heard of this guy was that he was on his way to the Hopi to introduce himself as the "Great White Brother." If you don't know who that is, it's basically the Hopi's version of a messiah, a savior who will come and right all the wrongs. And it wasn't even fraud or anything; this guy truly believed that he was the Great White Brother.

Interestingly, a very good psychic/astrologer that I was friends with back then told me she had seen the "Messiah Complex" in his natal chart; she said that he would never get rid of it and, by the makeup of his chart, was incapable of learning from his mistakes and would one day meet a very sad end.

Another New Ager in Germany wrote a book about his visions of the White Buffalo Woman who, he believed, was contacting him through various crystal-encrusted buffalo skulls he had obtained from a mineral dealer. He actually believed that he was a reincarnation of both Quetzalcoatl and the Great White Brother (who he believed to be one and the same person), because he'd seen an old depiction of Quetzalcoatl that looked similar to himself. (David Wilcock, anyone?)

He, who had never met a "real Indian" in his life, was planning to teach the Native American tribes in the US about spirituality and help them regain their old wisdom. It was hilarious -- compared to what the traditional NAs know about spirituality, he was a worm, simply put. What a hubris, what an audacity!

Anyway, I do believe, as RKallisti said, that each and every one of us has a slight version of this. I have to say that it's very easy specifically for New Agers to fall in this trap because many of us perform all kinds of spiritual practices to "raise their vibration," and boy, does that work! If you do such practices, you WILL at some point see things "ordinary people" can't see, hear things ordinary people can't hear, feel things ordinary people can't feel, know things ordinary people can't know, and DO things ordinary people can't do. Let me tell from my own experience, it's incredibly tough to feel so "special" and stay completely humble at the same time, if not impossible.

Originally posted by sylvie

Anyway, I do believe, as RKallisti said, that each and every one of us has a slight version of this. I have to say that it's very easy specifically for New Agers to fall in this trap because many of us perform all kinds of spiritual practices to "raise their vibration," and boy, does that work! If you do such practices, you WILL at some point see things "ordinary people" can't see, hear things ordinary people can't hear, feel things ordinary people can't feel, know things ordinary people can't know, and DO things ordinary people can't do. Let me tell from my own experience, it's incredibly tough to feel so "special" and stay completely humble at the same time, if not impossible.

I dare say, nothing is impossible. But if impossible WILL ever become possible then whats to say that there is no such thing as possible?

Here's an entire forum of people who display that special mix of fantasy based thought, grandeur and bipolar which spawns the messianic complex. www.starseeds.net...

Originally posted by RKallisti
All in all, I don't understand why so many negative connotations are given to the Messiah Complex.

I think even negative oriented entities can be Messiahs in their own right.

After all, Messiah, Saviour, Christ, Buddha, Gobbledygook, Whatever, they are just words. And people have a tendency to fight over words and get stuck on their literal structure, failing to grasp the true meaning/message/teaching underlying them (take metaphors for example).

People who have the Messiah Complex have a reason to do so, otherwise they wouldn't have it. So I say, don't shun it, embrace it, and just do what you came here to do.

edit on 11-11-2010 by RKallisti because: Spell-check corrections.

So do you consider yourself a god metaphorically or literally? Why is a god so upset about how us blind deaf dumb spiritual infant humans perceive gods worldview?

Are you suggesting words mean whatever you think they should mean in any given context? That's a really cheap trick homie, the metaphor trump card played whenever you need to make yourself right and everyone wrong and foolish again.

Originally posted by TheRedP1LL
I dare say, nothing is impossible. But if impossible WILL ever become possible then whats to say that there is no such thing as possible?

You're right, "nothing" is impossible.

Originally posted by catwhoknows
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Here are my thoughts:

Anyone with the Messiah complex is mentally ill, because no-one on this earth is the Messiah.

I think that history has witnessed a few people with this complex - Hitler for one.

Maybe Mussolini.

Napolean Bonaparte was said to be a sufferer of the Messiah Complex disorder.

Just my opinion but I don't believe it's a mental illness at all, just seems like when somebody feels lost and alone in the world, they may have their brain trick them in a way into thinking that to make up for the perceived ignorance of others to their existence, they may indeed be the Messiah.

Just as a sort of coping mechanism that makes them reach out to others and even if they tell others and be seen as crazy or whether they remain silent about their apparent thoughts, at least they then make contact with the outside world and the trait could then wear away once they have others to talk to and share ideas with.

EDIT - Wow, I honestly didn't remember replying to this thread the first time, apologies if I sounded like I repeated myself

The messiah complex you say ? Hmm i only heard of the its diametric opposite :

'the normative complex'

in which a person believes themselves to be ordinary, non individual and possessing no unique traits, often doubting there own significance and undermining any redeeming qualities they may have while exaggerating non-desirable qualities. Often characterized with depression, loss of purpose and emotional turmoil.

You wont find it on google because i just made it up.