The Messiah Complex

Hi I thought I would start a thread with this title seeing as no has done so yet and that it is a fascinating topic to delve into especially in our current climate of "religiousness" and end time prophecy.

For those of you not familiar with The Messiah Complex, in short, it is when a person feels he/she is the chosen World Messiah.
The “Messiah Complex” does not appear in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders however there are many academics who believe someone with the Messiah Complex does indeed exhibit mental illness traits.

Now I have searched high and low online to find some valid sources on the topic of the Messiah Complex also known as the Messianic Complex and there are not many credible sources that delve into the subject matter in great detail or with evident case studies.

The reason I personally feel it is an important subject to approach is that more and more often I have noticed ATS members hinting at their viability as a world saviour or Messiah.

This is one of the very few interesting links which in a way summarises all the facets, from a personal perspective, that make up the messiah complex:

"The first human place in consciousness was to want to announce to the world that I AM HERE, believing that I AM THE ONE. What a foolish notion of a selfless mind. I read years later that a long-standing spiritual teaching is 'to know, to dare, to do and to be silent.' My personality could not handle the truth at the time. My soul had been ignited with a vision and I had not the spiritual maturation to remain quiet. I told my adoptive parents, my friends, my teachers and even went to the preachers just off campus to find out how they would respond to such an experience"

"How do we find, accept, and then live our own individual Path connected to the ONE? It is one thing to be self-initiated, the Path where many are called and few choose. It is quite another to claim to BE the ONE, as in the case of many professing to be the return of Jesus, Mohammed, Mary, Lucifer, Isis, St. Germain, Maitreya, or whomever. It would seem we have a spiritual epidemic of polyphrenia, many personalities, in that many past personalities are showing up in the claims of current cosmic corners"

Link: www.bethedream.net...

Some of you may be able to recall a one Mr David Icke appearing on the UK talk show hosted by a then popular Terry Wogan. Icke on that show came forward and told the audience and viewers that he thought he was the return of the Christ. He was ridiculed by Wogan and laughed at by the audience. Icke later stated that he was going through a spiritual transformation and no longer believed he was the chosen Messiah. I feel that Icke was experiencing, at the time, the Messiah Complex.

I often wonder what changes it would take to trigger or offset such a dramatic and life altering experience for many people in the world. There are documented accounts that people experiencing the Messiah Complex often feel totally connected to the” all” and almost God like or in direct commune with the creator. Some mention it is an inexplicable experience to translate and encapsulate as the very essence of the experience is lost in translation.

I think it is extremely important for ATS members to understand the sensitive nature of someone experiencing the Messiah Complex and at least educate themselves on the topic in the event they come across someone exhibiting traits associated with such a complex.

It is often too easy to ridicule someone with these types of beliefs but without a considered and sensitive approach you could be doing more damage than good.

None the less I still find this topic of the upmost interest given that we are in a sense converging on great earth changes and our evolution, spiritually, for many seems to be climaxing. I have little doubt that the closer we get to our destination and the more aware and conscious we become that all too familiar feeling of interconnectedness will bring about the Messiah Complex in many people around the world. Perhaps this is what the bible referred to when it spoke about there being "many antichrist" in the end days. Let’s remember it is easy to ascribe the attributes of the devil or antichrist to a Christ like figure. If you’re not sure what I mean simply Google Maitreya (The World Teacher), a figure that advocates sharing in a world of plenty to save humanity from extinction and see the two parallels that paint him in opposing lights.

Please if any of you know of any sources that cover The Messiah/Messianic Complex in detail or can point the way to any half decent documentaries on the subject then please do post them and please flag this post so it can get the exposure it needs.

Always the optimist.

I'll start reasearching this... ill keep you posted

reply to post by nakiannunaki


Here are my thoughts:

Anyone with the Messiah complex is mentally ill, because no-one on this earth is the Messiah.

I think that history has witnessed a few people with this complex - Hitler for one.

Maybe Mussolini.

I just finished reading a book by Colin Wilson called Rogue Messiahs: Tales of Self-Proclaimed Saviors. The publisher is Hampton Roads.

It was pretty interesting, maybe check it out

Would Jesus have had the messiah complex? Was this complex around before Jesus? If Jesus was never around or popular, what people with this complex be like? While I won't deny or accept the claims of people who claim such things, I would love to pick at their brains. It would more than likely be easy to deconstruct their claims showing them why they can't be the messiah. This would likely have 2 consequences that I can see. They will either become further "enlightened" and drop all notions of religion and continue their studies quietly or break down into the simplistic nature of a blind believer. Except in this case they will blindly believe in themselves.

Originally posted by ScRuFFy63
Would Jesus have had the messiah complex?

Interesting question. Critical thinking at it's finest.

What if every human has a God/Messiah Complex?
What if every human is the "chosen one"?
What if every person alive is, in fact, waiting for themself?

Blasphemy!

reply to post by xiphias


prexactly! you know I get this bologne alot when I tell of the voice and angel I've seen and heard (two different times-did'nt ask and did'nt know the scriptures or read anything beforehand and in fact made fun of anything God or Christian), but that is not the case at ALL (it was not my voice nor was it a reflection in the window) I would say I'm probably just a little more aware of my sinful natured humanity than most if anything due to those things and prefer Charmin when I can splurge!(lol) while at the same time cannot help but feel very compelled to say the least in telling people, especially seeing the times appear to be very dangerous now and possibly worse on the horizon and sorry if someone does'nt like what the scriptures, Jesus or Apostles say-it is much better said than any attempt of explaination by me, plus they'll always be around

His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.-Daniel10.6

we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.1Timothy4.10

The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ.-1Corinthians12.12

he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.-6.17

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
-John6.63

And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy!-Matthew26.63

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.-John3.16

Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.-Revelation5.6

See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone-Zechariah3.9

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female-Gal3.28

the head of every man is Christ-11.3

For I know that my Redeemer lives,
And He shall stand at last on the earth;
And after my skin is destroyed, this I know,
That in my flesh I shall see God,
Whom I shall see for myself,
And my eyes shall behold, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!
If you should say, ‘How shall we persecute him?’—
Since the root of the matter is found in me,
Be afraid of the sword for yourselves;
For wrath brings the punishment of the sword,
That you may know there is a judgment.-Job19

where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all-Colossians3.11

For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.-1Corinthians13.12

For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.” Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.-Romans11.27

Therefore if there is any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and mercy, fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others.
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.-Philippians2

For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.-John3.17

So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.-John8.36

I would probably be diagnosed as having 'the Messiah Complex' however that is not how I perceive myself in relationship to other people, nor to God. I do however, think of myself as someone who will be seen as a Messiah in proper time, not by my revelation according to what I say, but by my revelation to others in what I am going to do. They often called this type of person, the highest or great scribe, Moses, Enoch, and others. I have been called for a reason my entire life, and it has been made known to me that my training is complete and the phase in which I begin building upon the foundations of the Kingdom of Heaven and leading others to the truth of God is beginning. I can say all this in words, but words without actions are usually without merit. It takes a person of action in leadership to make people believe in a person as someone who is worthy of trust amongst both men and women and of God. Therefore I disbelieve that anyone claiming they are the messiah isn't entirely crazy, but experiencing an enlightenment.

reply to post by nakiannunaki


I am curious myself.
I will definitely check into this more.

Let's face it...the most important person in the Universe is (to you), YOU!

You live with your own ideas, failures, triumphs, etc. 24/7 365 days a year. YOU are the star of your own show, where everyone else in the world is just a supporting player, in for a few scenes or more.

Therefore, we ALL have such a complex. It's even more surprising when someone claims they DON'T have it, then when they do...

I think the Messiah Complex is a very real part of the ego. The truth is, given the nature of humanity, to become corrupt and destructive, it would seem beneficial for the human being to be implanted with the concept of becoming a messiah. I would suspect, many people have a period of time in their lives where they perceive themselves as a possible saviour to the world, and that would be part of our evolution, because the truth is, we need messiahs, if humans didn't experience this effect, no one would ever have the ego or the belief to go through with things that do indeed benefit society as a whole. Although it is not listed as part of the DSVM, it's part of almost every psychotic break from reality, I would suggest, this is part of being human, at some point in your life, you'll get a calling which asks you to become more than you are. The sad part is that only some of us have the courage to go through with the calling.

I also suspect, that as things get worse in the world, more and more people will be afflicted with this complex, and there's a part of me that believes this is Earth/life calling out, c'mon, somebody step up.

It's evolution & protective, it should be classified as a God given gift to humanity that once in a while, somewhere, sometimes, your brain steps in and says, you, could it be you, and will you help.

And then they step in and medicate you, just to think how many saviours of benefactors of man we could have had if people would just trust their own minds & bodies, instead of waiting for an external voice to override the internal.

reply to post by nakiannunaki


I am pretty sure anyone who gets through all the ranks of free masonry thinks they are some sort of god already.

Its just that they hide this from you, and the use films and media to ridicule, what the elites and hollywood see as natural.

Messiah complex is a fubby one, and supposedly happens alot after peopel goto israel,a nd come back reborn again, or what ever that is called.

Everyone normal should just thank heavens for being so, and not some ego maniac like the people who run society, but who in fact do not really know as much as they claim.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Let's face it...the most important person in the Universe is (to you), YOU!

You live with your own ideas, failures, triumphs, etc. 24/7 365 days a year. YOU are the star of your own show, where everyone else in the world is just a supporting player, in for a few scenes or more.

Therefore, we ALL have such a complex. It's even more surprising when someone claims they DON'T have it, then when they do...

I couldn't have said it better.The truth is i believe that is important for a person to feel special or the Chosen one,if you like,maybe they would achieve more things in life and do more good than the ones that feel just "little ordinary humans with no power at all".
Of course if the messiah complex is combined with ambition and thirst for power then we have examples like Hitler and that is dangerous.
Otherwise if someone wants to believe that he/she is Jesus or Buddha that is not causing any harm to anyone,i don't see any problem.

I would probably be diagnosed as having 'the Messiah Complex' however that is not how I perceive myself in relationship to other people, nor to God.

DITTO

I think the Messiah Complex is a very real part of the ego.

DITTO

For those of you not familiar with The Messiah Complex, in short, it is when a person feels he/she is the chosen World Messiah.

Not quite. In my opinion it's just a strong (and not so easy to dismiss) personal intuition, feeling or belief that one has (and maybe had most of their lives) of a purpose (divinely invested or not) involving the saving of mankind; whether in general, as an all-encompassing global event; or of the saving or leading to "salvation" of a few selected individuals, or an "elite".

reply to post by RKallisti


I think you will find that anyone that goes through all degrees of free masonry will think they are this sort of person with purpose, and a destiny and they are here to do somthing.

Its just that those peopel are left alone to live there life, but others are tortured and told that is garbage.

Right.!!!
There are not many Sources available. But upon searching found this links :

1. The Messiah Complex

Sometimes a complex is national - namely, it belongs to a collective of people. To the extent that we can speak about the aims, hopes or dreams of a nation, we can also speak about complexes that belong to this nation and affect it. There are nations that are afflicted by paranoia. There are some that have superiority complexes; and some that have inferiority complexes. Sometimes it is possible to give an adequate historical explanation why there may have developed a certain complex or a certain madness in a certain nation. At other times there seems no clear and rational explanation. In any case, these national complexes, like other national characteristics, have to do with the collective. It is possible to say that when the large majority of people of a certain nation act with a certain uniformity, a certain unity, then there appear certain characteristics which are mental attributes or modes of behavior which belong to the collective as a whole.

2. Bush´s Messiah Complex

When George W. Bush ran for President in 2000, he said the United States must be "humble" in the world. Now he has cast humility aside and replaced it with hubris. Supremely confident in his gut instincts, wrapped up in a fundamentalist belief system, endowed with the most powerful military of all time, and unchecked by Congress, Bush feels he can "rid the world of evil"- at the barrel of a gun. A picture emerges from the President's public statements-and even from such adulatory accounts as Bob Woodward's Bush at War and David Frum's The Right Man-of a President on a divine mission. Call it messianic militarism.

3. Messianic Complex (John 1:6-8, 19-28)

The messianic impulse, the assumed role of rescuer of the other, can be an egoism that diminishes and destroys. And the disempowering reciprocal expectation that this special person will be one savior is not limited to the private and personal spheres of life. These are issues in international relations, in the interplay of social movements and classes, and in political appeals. We have seen dangerous faith placed in false and flawed messiahs. Many of us are praying very hard now over the particular messianic arrogance that often drives our own nation and its policies.

4. List of People who claimed to be Jesus

Hope that helps you a bit.

Not all who have the Messiah Complex claim to be Jesus, or Christ, or even wish to be related to him.

Originally posted by RKallisti
Not all who have the Messiah Complex claim to be Jesus, or Christ, or even wish to be related to him.

Indeed. The real question is does the Messiah have a Messiah Complex?

Originally posted by Seed76
Right.!!!
There are not many Sources available. But upon searching found this links :

1. The Messiah Complex

Sometimes a complex is national - namely, it belongs to a collective of people. To the extent that we can speak about the aims, hopes or dreams of a nation, we can also speak about complexes that belong to this nation and affect it. There are nations that are afflicted by paranoia. There are some that have superiority complexes; and some that have inferiority complexes. Sometimes it is possible to give an adequate historical explanation why there may have developed a certain complex or a certain madness in a certain nation. At other times there seems no clear and rational explanation. In any case, these national complexes, like other national characteristics, have to do with the collective. It is possible to say that when the large majority of people of a certain nation act with a certain uniformity, a certain unity, then there appear certain characteristics which are mental attributes or modes of behavior which belong to the collective as a whole.

2. Bush´s Messiah Complex

When George W. Bush ran for President in 2000, he said the United States must be "humble" in the world. Now he has cast humility aside and replaced it with hubris. Supremely confident in his gut instincts, wrapped up in a fundamentalist belief system, endowed with the most powerful military of all time, and unchecked by Congress, Bush feels he can "rid the world of evil"- at the barrel of a gun. A picture emerges from the President's public statements-and even from such adulatory accounts as Bob Woodward's Bush at War and David Frum's The Right Man-of a President on a divine mission. Call it messianic militarism.

3. Messianic Complex (John 1:6-8, 19-28)

The messianic impulse, the assumed role of rescuer of the other, can be an egoism that diminishes and destroys. And the disempowering reciprocal expectation that this special person will be one savior is not limited to the private and personal spheres of life. These are issues in international relations, in the interplay of social movements and classes, and in political appeals. We have seen dangerous faith placed in false and flawed messiahs. Many of us are praying very hard now over the particular messianic arrogance that often drives our own nation and its policies.

4. List of People who claimed to be Jesus

Hope that helps you a bit.

Many thanks.

I too found these links during my search. It is a mind boggle how there is not more extensive research done in to such a profound and interesting subject.