Introduction to Lucid Dreams

I want to start Lucid Dreams because I have been wrestling with some stress issues and I want an outlet where I can make my own reality and burn off some excess anger.

Yes I have used that bloody boolean search and the the threads I discovered were all to large and cluttered to provide a clear gateway to Lucid Dreaming.

If someone could outline what you need to do and or steps to Lucid Dreaming I would be very grateful.

Lol, I'd be happy to try and help, i was here when a lot of those lucid dream threads were made. They werent too helpful except for the links spread throughout. Here is what i managed to pull from my memory and a bit of googling.

Things to help get you there:

--keep a journal of your dreams, try to remember as much as possible

--start being more aware to things around you. Lucid dreaming is just dreaming and knowing you're dreaming too, so you need to start noticing if the things around you are normal or not.

--keep asking yourself "am i dreaming?" One method i've heard of is something like this(cant remember too well and cant find the site). Check your watch often. Look at the time, wait 8 sec, and check again. then wait ten seconds and check again. the first and second times should be the same time, but the thrid should be more than a mintue different. What also works about this method is that if you tell yourself the watch will be different when you are dreaming, it WILL be different when you are dreaming.

--Tell yourself "I WILL have a lucid dream tonight" when you go to bed

--Give yourself common intervals to ask yourself if you are dreaming (i.e. everytime you walk through a door, or greet a new person, or think about sex...which i've heard happens very often in the male half of the human race)

Once you are in a lucid state:

---keep calm, getting excited can wake you up

--spin to change location. Or tell yourself, "when i turn this corner, i will be in _______" spinning can also help keep you lucid when you feel yourself waking up.

--DONT FORGET YOU ARE LUCID. That is the one i have the most trouble with. I start having so much fun in my dream i forget i'm dreaming and lose my ability to control my dreams



I also found this site: members.aol.com... which purty much lays out the basics to lucid dreaming, so i wont copy it all over.

Good luck!

---pineapple

All I do is tell myself what I am going to dream, a lot of times that will work. Sometimes when I am feeling a strong emotion in a dream, I simply tell myself to wake and I become conscious in my dream, not really sure how I become conscious.

From other people, I've heard a couple things, 1. set your alarm clock sometime in the middle of the night, stay awake for about 15 mins and then go back to sleep again. 2. Remember to look at your hands while you are dreaming.

Basically, what I have deduced is that lucid dreaming requires someone to constantly remind themself while they are awake and especially right before they sleep, that they will change your dream. Try to blast into your subconscious.

So, if you are stressed about something, remind yourself to visualize your source of stress in a dream that night and tell yourself you will change it. Then when your source of stress is manifested in a dream, you will probably feel intense emotion, hopefully you will berate yourself enough to stop feeling the emotion, which is when the lucidity will kick in. Then you can manipulate the dream from there.

But remember to remind yourself about what you want to dream about and/or do in it. Do not let the dream carry you away, but take the dream into your own grasp.

You can always use hypnosis to help get it into your mind too...

*Warning* The following website contains adult content (adult advertising banners containing nudity)...so if ya not old enough or will get inta trouble if ya get caught going there...dont go there... YOu have been warned. *warning*

visit www.warpmymind.com... and download the CurseLucidDreams2 file. Also if you havn't done hypnosis before i suggest listening to Train Susceptibility and Deepening and even Deepening2.

With the curselucid dreams 2 do you have to lisen to it while you ARE Sleeping for it to work? or is it designed so you use it before ya go to sleep then switch it off while ya sleep?

I cant remember where I heard this but I remember seeing this guy on TV talking about lucid dreams and how he had had sex in them with Pamela Anderson MANY TIMES.

I also remember something about how you have to keep reminding yourself before you sleep this, "im going to wake up in my dream", keep thinking about waking up inside your dream.

This really fascinates me because I know it can be done.

It happened to me twice. Only for seconds and only for the amount of time it took for me to suddenly realize I was conscious inside my dream.

The last time was quite recent. I remember realizing I was conscious and then seeing this vast landscape of rolling hills. This place in my dream was huge. Then it was over.

It�s made me think again about the power of the mind because of the scope of what I saw. Good luck. Keep us informed.

Want to lucid dream?

Watch "Waking Life"...you'll never know if youre awake or not for the rest of your life!

But seriously, i've got a system if youd like to try it. It sounds funny but you just have to do it. Every time you see a pen or pencil sitting somewhere, in your mind, tell the pen to float. Say (in your head) "the pen is floating" when you look back at it....it will probably still be laying on the counter. Do this so often until it becomes habit and you dont have to think about it....until one time...you do it and the pen DOES float.

Then you know youre dreaming.

It only works if you make it a habit though, so it takes a bit. Tons of f un though.

Sounds interesting. Are there any side effects? Is this dangerous? x_x

Yes...and yes...

You can get stuck ina lucid dream, or never be aware as to whether or not you are awake. Some people arent quite used to it yet and wont know of any tell tale signs so show them they are dreaming or in reality, and constant paranoi ensues because they arent aware enough to train.

Before you do anything crazy in your dreams, like change the world, get good at it and know your boundaries.

Originally posted by Agent47
I want to start Lucid Dreams because I have been wrestling with some stress issues and I want an outlet where I can make my own reality and burn off some excess anger.

I would suggest exercise and meditation for stress relief.

That being said, I do have a great deal of experience with lucid dreaming. Whether this experience can be used to help you learn, is another matter all together.

First some background about my lucid dreaming experience.

I have a sleep disorder that causes me to dream during any sleep stage, not just REM sleep. I go to sleep, I start dreaming. When I wake up, I stop. I mention this simply because I don't know how 'normal' dreaming works and that may reflect in my discriptions.

As a child I had problems with nightmares. Controlling dreams for me began as a defense mechanism against these nightmares.

For me, the first step to lucid dreaming was recognizing it was "just a dream" and forcing the dream to end before the terror started by making myself wake up. Obviously this isn't quite lucid dreaming, but it is an accomplishment for a 4 year old. Nightmares are radically different than reality, and that makes it much easier to recognize as a dream. Eventually I stopped needing to wake up and just "switched the channel" during a bad dream.

Sometime in my pre-teen years, I came to the conclusion that all dreams all dreams could be controlled. What I did all those years ago is not so different than the advice pineappleupsidedown gave.

Awareness of surroundings and conviction to control your dreams.

Every night I would repeat to myself "I will control my dreams." It was almost a mantra as I went to sleep. But before you can control your dream you have to know you are dreaming. The key here is recognizing when something isn't quite right. For me, this often happened when a dream shifted to a different dream. Reality doesn't "change channels" that way, and that would be my opening. Of course, there were also nightmares which were an instant Lucid dream for me.

Eventually, "something isn't quite right" started happening as soon as I went to sleep. I would be someplace other than in bed going to sleep. That would be enough of a change in reality to allow realization I was dreaming.

The other advice pineappleupsidedown gave would likely help, as the key is realizing it is a dream.


I would still suggest exercise and meditation for stress relief.


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Edit: a question was asked while I was deciding what to write in this reply.

Sounds interesting. Are there any side effects? Is this dangerous? x_x

Addiction and Depression.

There should also be a warning about entities that are attracted to a "higher state of awareness". Some (most) of these 'things' are not very nice. To those who say they do not believe in such things let me assure you neither did I.


[edit on 28-6-2004 by Raphael_UO]

Originally posted by Crash
With the curselucid dreams 2 do you have to lisen to it while you ARE Sleeping for it to work? or is it designed so you use it before ya go to sleep then switch it off while ya sleep?

No. You dont have to listen to it while you are sleeping or before you go to sleep. You just get into a deep trance and let the hynotist give you suggestions (aka hypnosis).

Although, using it while in bed drifitng off to sleep can also help strengthen t, simply because it's in your mind before going to sleep, you're listening to it while sleeping, and you're in ur hypnotic state before falling asleep getting told suggestions that yes it is going to happen...


And no there are no side affects from lucid dreaming that i know apart from you wanting to sleep a little longer than usual. I find that if i had 9 hours of sleep before i even knew about lucid dreaming, 9 hours of sleep and i'd feel i had a nice sleep, was good enought o do whatver in life and wasn't waking up tired. With lucid dreaming, i find that 10 hours is enough and a good night sleep.

[edit on 28-6-2004 by DaRAGE]

Originally posted by Scat
Watch "Waking Life"...you'll never know if youre awake or not for the rest of your life!

That movie 0wnz. (Google search for '"Waking Life"') for anyone who wants to see the movie.

Originally posted by Raphael_UO
Edit: a question was asked while I was deciding what to write in this reply.

Sounds interesting. Are there any side effects? Is this dangerous? x_x

Addiction and Depression.

There should also be a warning about entities that are attracted to a "higher state of awareness". Some (most) of these 'things' are not very nice. To those who say they do not believe in such things let me assure you neither did I.


[edit on 28-6-2004 by Raphael_UO]

Does that mean you can be possessed whilst in a lucid dreaming state?

Originally posted by Blackout

Does that mean you can be possessed whilst in a lucid dreaming state?

Honestly, I do not know.

Some things I do know however:

For lack of a better term, I call them dream demons. They are evil. They lie. They can hide their true self from you. I have never seen anything while lucid dreaming that was not either "dream stuff" (part of your dream) or one of these things.

These things are not all created equal. Some are more powerful than others.

They are not a creation of your dream. Control over your dream does not equate to control over them. You cannot will them out of existance as you can everything else in your dream. However, the weaker ones will leave when they are all that is left in your dream world.

Powerful ones can take control of your dreams. You can have full knowledge you are dreaming and be powerless to control anything they create. They can prevent you from waking yourself from a dream as well.

It never works for me

Even tho i have tryed it numorus times

it sounds intresting and that is what makes me desire it

So if any 1 can guide me in the right direction/guide me to it please feel free to u2u me

[edit on 28-6-2004 by Crash]

Originally posted by Raphael_UO

Originally posted by Blackout

Does that mean you can be possessed whilst in a lucid dreaming state?

Honestly, I do not know.

Some things I do know however:

For lack of a better term, I call them dream demons. They are evil. They lie. They can hide their true self from you. I have never seen anything while lucid dreaming that was not either "dream stuff" (part of your dream) or one of these things.

These things are not all created equal. Some are more powerful than others.

They are not a creation of your dream. Control over your dream does not equate to control over them. You cannot will them out of existance as you can everything else in your dream. However, the weaker ones will leave when they are all that is left in your dream world.

Powerful ones can take control of your dreams. You can have full knowledge you are dreaming and be powerless to control anything they create. They can prevent you from waking yourself from a dream as well.

er.... thats pretty scary stuff, I hope I never encounter these entities... makes me want to not lucid dream now...

(side note: is there anyway to stop these entities from entering your dream?)

Originally posted by Jake_

Originally posted by Scat
Watch "Waking Life"...you'll never know if youre awake or not for the rest of your life!

That movie 0wnz

. (Google search for '"Waking Life"') for anyone who wants to see the movie.

Sweet! There are several other movies similar to Waking Life I want to see but dont know titles

Do you have any suggestions?

I've had lucid dreams while staying up really late (like 4:00 or 5:00) and basically reluctantly went to sleep,which is kind of odd, but I'm sure I've had lucid dreams this way. I haven't tried any of these other methods though...

Originally posted by Raphael_UO

Originally posted by Blackout

Does that mean you can be possessed whilst in a lucid dreaming state?

Honestly, I do not know.

Some things I do know however:

For lack of a better term, I call them dream demons. They are evil. They lie. They can hide their true self from you. I have never seen anything while lucid dreaming that was not either "dream stuff" (part of your dream) or one of these things.

These things are not all created equal. Some are more powerful than others.

They are not a creation of your dream. Control over your dream does not equate to control over them. You cannot will them out of existance as you can everything else in your dream. However, the weaker ones will leave when they are all that is left in your dream world.

Powerful ones can take control of your dreams. You can have full knowledge you are dreaming and be powerless to control anything they create. They can prevent you from waking yourself from a dream as well.

Wow, that might be a good explanation why some dreams are so scary.

However, dreaming is a very personal experience and therefor would be hard to take control of, in my opinion. Maybe these demons could also be another part of your subconcious. (I could be wrong, however. There are many things that happen that we don't know about very much)

A lot of times (also in real life) when people try controlling something too much out of fear, it comes right back at them. Like when countries opress people, people will turn against the government. Also like when parents are trying to control a child too much.

I don't remember a lot of my dreams myself, maybe i really remember 1 or 2 a month or something. I forget a lot of other dreams in a couple of seconds after waking up.

[edit on 29-6-2004 by michielkroon]

[edit on 29-6-2004 by michielkroon]

I was avoiding adding more to this thread, as I am not completely comfortable talking about my experiences. There is quite a bit I do not understand. But, I thought it would be responsible to answer questions and perhaps clarify my experiences a little.

Originally posted by freedom_88
(side note: is there anyway to stop these entities from entering your dream?)

I don't know.

Prayer seems to prevent them from exerting control over your dreams. I cannot tell you if they are still there. Once my dreams were no longer controlled by these things, I avoided exerting any control over my dreams. I simply didn't go looking for them.

Now the prayer thing may sound like a "no-brainer", except I didn't beleive in God at the time. There is quite the story there, which I am not willing to share yet. But I will say, I said my first prayer to God in over 10 years in a dream, and it stopped a year of hell.

Originally posted by michielkroon
However, dreaming is a very personal experience and therefor would be hard to take control of, in my opinion. Maybe these demons could also be another part of your subconcious. (I could be wrong, however. There are many things that happen that we don't know about very much)

Complete control over your own dream is extremely difficult to accomplish. I would imagine this is true for these things as well. Which is the reason I said the powerful ones could do it. Personally, I have only encountered one of these things that could do so.

As far as it being a part of my subconscious, I doubt it. Don't get me wrong, I have spent many years telling myself just that. But I have yet to be able to rationalize that idea with the events as they took place.

A lot of times (also in real life) when people try controlling something too much out of fear, it comes right back at them. Like when countries opress people, people will turn against the government. Also like when parents are trying to control a child too much.

I guess I could give an approximate timeline of events just to put what I am saying a little perspective.

Age 4: began willfully waking from nightmares.
Age 6: no longer had to wake up to escape a nightmare, I simply "turned the channel"
Age 11: began practicing control over non-nightmares.
Age 14: Had complete control over dream stuff. I did it nightly. I was lucid in any dream that didnt begin with me waking up in bed.
Age 21: First experience of one of these things taking control of my dreams, leaving me completely aware I was dreaming but powerless to exert control over any dreamstuff. This was the beginning of a year of pure hell for me, as control would be taken from me nightly.

I cannot rationalize the subconscious waiting patiently for 7 years and then spend a year driving me to the very brink of insanity.

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