Why Are EVPS So Scary?

reply to post by Gradius Maximus


Reminds me off a chinese proverb.

Dont look for death or death will find you.

I agree, you need to treat spirits with respect, the same respect that you'd expect from people.

reply to post by snowen20


Not really, for the best part Rods have been explored and explained.

EVP's on the other hand havent. People have theorys, but non that have been proven. I think the most shocking thing about EVPs is the fact that they're sometimes intelligent and appear to answer what you ask of them.

A lot of EVPs ive heard sound like nothing more than static that can be interprted as words, Others are clear as a bell and definately sound, not just like someone speaking, but answer the very question thats called out. Which is amazing. Im not sure about Ghost box sessions though.

just curious, why are there no evps where a spirit speaks ancient Babylonian? Are they all in English? Would anybody be able to translate one in an ancient language?

Because the dead truely are dead, and every spirit experience is not your loved ones but fallen spirits/angels who only want to deceive.

reply to post by GeisterFahrer


Ive thought about this myself and ive came to the conclusion that, spirits that spoke another language like ancient babylonian. Would'nt be able to understand what was being said or asked in EVP sessions and so might not even know that its someone trying to comunicate.

Maybe if you done one in their lands and in that language you may get results.

Would actually make an interesting experiment.

Good point geisto. perhaps death,as it actually is,is another place that we know is one removed from THIS one and it makes us angry. or,it is LITERALLY a 'living' nightmare to be there? can anyone contact a spirit and ask? id like to know.

An experiment in an Egyptian tomb maybe?

perhaps we should all try and illicit nicer replies. or ask WHY they mostly seem angry,nasty or grumpy.

reply to post by GeisterFahrer


Somebody has to have done that before surely.

If not then why not?

If you did and actualy made contact with someone who spoke ancient babylonian. That might just prove that your spirit is connected to Either the place you were born or the place that you died. It would also suggest that you only carry with you, the knowlege you had when you died.

I wish i could speak another language and i could fund a trip somewhere. There has been cases where foreign languages have turned up on EVP's and had to be translated. Just adds another level of mystery if you ask me.

reply to post by ewokdisco


Maybe the spirit is just as shocked that it can hear us and to it, may just sound like a voice in their minds, which actualy upsets them and makes them angry.

curious point krpto, so are you suggesting we are all dead and only the mentally ill can hear the 'other side'?

reply to post by ewokdisco


Im not saying were all dead, but the difference between the two states could be less than we think. Maybe when were alive we always carry with us a connection to the other side. This may explain mediums for example. Maybe you could hear spirits all the time if you learned how to open up and recieve. I think you'd only be able to hear them with your mind rather than your ears. The same way you can hear yourself think. So maybe some crazy people have somehow unknowingly opened them selves up to this and just dont understand it, and so put it down to an illness. These people who claim that voices tell them to do things might be being controlled from another plane or dimension. Interesting when you think about it.

Maybe to them, were the ones who are dead like in that film the others.

Heres another one that may support this..

EVP.

Originally posted by ewokdisco
Good point geisto. perhaps death,as it actually is,is another place that we know is one removed from THIS one and it makes us angry. or,it is LITERALLY a 'living' nightmare to be there? can anyone contact a spirit and ask? id like to know.

You are living your life projecting what you see so that you can experience it. We are all part of a system that is here to allow for life so when we die, Its like we have turned off the tv, but we wont stop thinking about what we were just watching and continue watching that episode over and over again until someone reminds us about free HBO in the next room.

You get me?

The dead dont know their dead, thats what keeps them here in a majority of the cases ive studied.

Quite often they will be in denial until they can be assisted to comprehend or complete whatever is holding them back in this world.

-G

reply to post by Gradius Maximus


SO if what you say is true, and Im not saying it isnt, How would the world look to someone who was dead?
You say they dont know they are dead, so are they in kind of a scary twilight zone episode where they are the only ones left? Sorry for my childish view of it, Im not up to speed, but Im very interested.

I just have a hard time trying to understand how someone can not know they are dead. I mean what do they see, what happens when they dont eat, or does time not have a meaning to them?

For example they died 40 years ago but literally think a minute has elapsed at the most.
If they arein a house and the house changes over the decades do they notice, does this concern them?

Many questions.

reply to post by Gradius Maximus


I agree.

Theres plenty of cases where contact shows either, they dont know they're dead, They wont accept that the're dead or they know but are afraid to move on.

Maybe thats why they get hostile. When you make contact your proving that this world is seperate and that there no longer physicaly part of it. Some may think your trying to trick them in to moving on. Then theres the unfinished business theory. Some may never move on untill they get what they seek.

People definately need to have all this in mind, if they're going to try and make contact. Show a bit of respect if you get me.

Originally posted by snowen20
reply to post by Gradius Maximus

 

SO if what you say is true, and Im not saying it isnt, How would the world look to someone who was dead?
You say they dont know they are dead, so are they in kind of a scary twilight zone episode where they are the only ones left? Sorry for my childish view of it, Im not up to speed, but Im very interested.

I just have a hard time trying to understand how someone can not know they are dead. I mean what do they see, what happens when they dont eat, or does time not have a meaning to them?

For example they died 40 years ago but literally think a minute has elapsed at the most.
If they arein a house and the house changes over the decades do they notice, does this concern them?

Many questions.

When you are dreaming, do you know that you are dreaming? VERY rarely.

When a person is dead, do they know they are dead? VERY rarely.

Why do you assume it is a scary twilight reality?

Consider this scenario.

A woman comes home with chest pains after grocery shopping, shes angry, her husband is drunk on the couch, she begins putting away the canned goods in the upper cabinets, slamming the door each time out of frustration, the chest pains increase and her anger rises slamming the cupboards louder and louder.

She has a heart attack, and dies in that moment of anger, frustration and hatred.

Different things can occur, she may see the light and pass on into the next world, or she will refuse to accept anything else except putting away those groceries, again...and again...and again. Solely focused on that last bit of her human experience, held so strongly by her anger and hate and frustration.

When does it stop? Maybe when her husband dies, he comes to her, maybe when the house is gone, maybe her children tell her its oaky in their dreams or maybe she just one day accepts it all and moves on without assistance. Who are we to say the human experience ends immediately after death? The final lessons could often be the most difficult and the ghost could be a form of flex time in order to achieve understanding.

Yet all the casual observer may be witnessing is a feeling of anger and hate in the kitchen, angry slamming of the cupboards. If you're a man drunk on the couch maybe she'll start yelling at you because she thinks you're the husband from her life.

We can only speculate...but my personal opinion is as it relates to this post - They think they are alive, in that moment of death - perpetually.

Recently I heard two EVP's that helped me understand why there are so many dead amoung us. One was from a show Ghost Lab, I can't remember the exact question, but I think it was "why are you still here?" The response was "They saw the light" Well, that tells me for some reason that person didn't see it. Also, on The Haunted, a family moved into a house that was haunted so they called investigators. The man haunting the place was asked why he was being so nasty, and he said "I was miserable in life, and now I'm miserable in death"
Another one I just remembered was an investigation in a house where a man killed a child. During the investigation, they put a digital recorder in a closet and shut it. Later when they checked it, a voice said "Can you get us back"
So, to answer your question, I think a lot of spirits are trapped here for a variety of reasons. Don't know they're dead, bad/angry people, held here by bad people/demons, won't let go of life, afraid to cross over (that was the reply from one man when asked why he wouldn't cross over,he was afraid of being judged) or don't see the light (supposedly you have to look up to see it)
Messing around with the other side should never be done alone or without being protected. There are things on the other side that want to harm us. They lie and there's no way to tell who or what you're dealing with. They've even been known to follow people home after investigating.

reply to post by Gradius Maximus


I agree with what you say. Great example bye the way.

That only covers one kind of haunting. The residual kind. I dont think all ghosts believe they're alive and some even use the fact that they're dead to some advantage. Deliberatley freaking people out, and doing what we call evil. Only targeting women when they're alone. Throwing objects at people and even trying to posses them alltogether. You cant put all this down to people not acepting theyre dead and so just do what they feel comfortable doing. Theres a lot of mallicious intent to some hauntings.

Ive often wondered whether hell is infact being left here on this plane for the rest of time unable to move in to the light. Maybe theres ghosts that believe they will be instantly reborn and so dont want to face another physical existance yet. I dont think i would be so quick as to jump straight in to another life from this one. Even if that is the way its meant to go down.

Id probably be a lingerer. That is provided i knew i was dead.

My scenario applies to more then residual, the problem is no one really notices hauntings other then ones that they find scary or threatening. The only targeting of women and throwing objects could all be a scenario from when the person had died. Hauntings themselves are so rare that to say "A lot of them" means "In very few circumstances we find an angry ghost"

You're quote about the dead using their deadness to their advantage seems a bit silly to me, as there is very little to gain by being dead, its much better to be alive if you want to affect the physical world and its people. I have never encountered a single entity that was conscious of its situation beyond its cycle of behaviors, they are stuck.

Ghosts are not dead they are stuck in a cycle of dying - Once you die, you have breached the time and space barrier, you are theoretically everywhere at once and time does not exist, an eternity in a second and a second within an eternity where a conscious being can take as much time as it required before returning, perhaps what may feel like 10,000 years of existing on the other side, but only a moment before they are born again in this world to a new body to finish their experiences.

I believe this is why we dont remember past lives when we return, I can barely remember details from 20 years ago let alone what may feel like 20,000 passing by before entering another body "Auh,mmm huhhh who was I again?? uhhohh I'm hungry, time to move on"

I firmly believe that every human being is a conscious entity that is (outside of time) hundreds of thousands of 'years' old that has been learning and experiencing innumerable amounts of energy that rises...and rises until it becomes something "More then human".

Ghosts fail to remember, they have forgotten that they are not their experience, they are consciousness.

All we need to do is remind them through the universal superhighway that is love and compassion which reconnects them to their ancient self and the response I always get when doing psychopomp is "Oh my god"

They SEE it again, they REMEMBER and all this ceases to be of any worth, and they depart.

This does not account for all ghostly phenomena, but as for a large amount of lost souls who I have worked with.

reply to post by Gradius Maximus


I like the way you speak with confidence when all you are basicaly doing is guessing.

How does people using the fact they are dead, and using it to their advantage sound silly.
No one can see them. No one can hear them. So they're free to do what they please and some do. Some choose to do this malliciously was all i was saying.

How do you know that the ones you've came in to contact with are actualy who they claim to be and are'nt just playing up to your expectations or playing games with you.

Ghosts may be void of time and matter, but only because they lack physicality. They will still move through that time at the same rate as us as long as they remain attached to this dimension. Otherwise they would'nt be here. They would be in another dimension.

As for remembering past lives, it all depends on whether you believe we are reborn or not. Maybe when we step in to the light we are recycled. Our energy disapates and gets spread amounst variouse different functions. part of it becomes a tree, some a beetle etc. Maybe stepping in to the light signifys the true end of your known existance. I dont know. You dont know. We can only ponder.

I guess everyones interpretation is different. Thats what makes this such an interesting topic to discuss.