Cleveland Clinic vs. Micki D's

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd


Orange juice? Vitamin C, thiamin, potassium. Yes, it contains sugar, but it is natual sugar. Not nearly as bad as refined.

Pancakes do contain many calories, including those from carbs. This does not make them bad. If they are prepared from scratch, they can be very healthy. Especially for kids, who need energy for running around all day. McDonald's has no redeeming food value. It's not the worst thing in the world once in a while, but it should not be in a hospital, where people are recovering from illnesses and surgery.

reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


If you squeeze the orange juice yourself, fine. It's natural. It's still irrelevant. Sugar is sugar. It's still a mix of fructose and glucose. And that many carbs in one sitting is THE reason why kids are becoming obese at alarming rates.

Every hospital I have ever been in offers cheesburgers and french fries in their cafeteria. I think an issue here that hasnt been addressed is the potential for lost revenue that the hospital might take if an alternative to their own cafeteria is available. If there is a McDonalds available in the lobby why would visitors venture down to the hospital run cafe to get the same product? Perhaps there really is no race card, no healthy eating issue and the real issue at hand revolves around the almighty dollar and the facility's bottom line.


ps i really want a big mac now, thanks everyone haha

Originally posted by Alora
McDonald's is owned by a black man?

Hardly. McDonald's is owned by share holders. As of 2004 (the most recent article I could find), the CEO is white.

CNNMoney Article on 'New' CEO

You beat me to it. McDonald's is a Publicly Traded Company and has been for a long time. It is true that MCD is publicly traded, but they lease the right to own a local McDonald's franchise. The article points out that this particular franchise location is owned by an African-American. However, since McDonald's franchises are a 20-year Lease with a $45,000/yr Lease Payment, I can't imagine the owner of this local franchise would be to happy about being kicked out of his location and having to find a way to make that Lease Payment to MCD. Perhaps I'm a little naive though, but I'm going to call Shenanigans on the Race-Card in this instance (as Larry Wilmore of the Daily Show with Jon Stewart has put it "In tiny letters at the bottom of the back-side of the Race-Card it says "Card not valid during a black presidency.").

And I don't believe that *ANYTHING* McD's serves could ever constitute "healthy" by any stretch of the imagination (I'm sorry but a salad made of wilted iceberg lettuce with 1500 calorie dressing does not constitute a single serving of "vegetables"). Still, I like their Apple Pies and French Fries every once in a while even though I know they are bad for me.

I personally don't think that any kind of restaurants should be in a hospital, let alone vending machines. However, if a hospital chooses to open up their food-courts to outside vendors, then they shouldn't be able to discriminate, especially after the fact. If their lease were up and a new lease with provisions for dietary requirements was negotiated, then it might be a different story...but as there are no such provisions in the term of their lease currently then it would be a breach of contract on part of the hospital to terminate that lease due solely to the type of food served at McD's.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross

 

Orange juice? Sugar. And you're telling me that adding eggs to a meal of pancakes (starch) and syrup (sugar) is healthy?

Let me show you what's wrong with this....

2 Pancakes w/ Butter and Syrup: 520 Cal
- 14g of fat
- 90g of carbohydrate
- 8g of protein

2 cup of Orange Juice: 220 Cal
- 1g of fat
- 50g of carbohydrate
- 2g of protein

So...without the eggs, we have a total of 740 calories, 140g (420 cal) of which are carbohydrate. 'Nuff said.

edit on 18-10-2010 by DevolutionEvolvd because: (no reason given)

Thanks for giving us the skinny on pancakes and orange juice....but here's a thought...I can give ya a recipe for low carb pancakes and flax seed with OJ and it will only be a total of 36 g of carbs/383 total cal. At this rate you can factor in using real maple syrup and still be well below your count of 740 calories. Point is plain down and dirty "hunger" does not make informed choices. Ever hear don't go grocery shopping when you are hungry?

Ingredients
1/4 cup Flax seed Milled
1 eggs
1 tbsp heavy cream
1 teaspoon butter, melted
1/8 teaspoon baking powder

Read more: caloriecount.about.com...


Calories-271
Total Fat-23.7g.
Total carbs-9.0g
sugars-0.3g.
serving size: 90.4g. (one good sized pancake)

on the OJ:

Calories-112g
Total carbs-27g
serving size: juice glass serving

ETA: a little restraint on serving size goes a long way. You have that ability when you make your own food instead of depending on others to do it for you.

~holly

reply to post by Holly N.R.A.


Not really sure why you posted that...good info though. I'd rather just eat the fat and avoid all those sugars and carbs.

The point I was making originally was that hospitals serve foods that are just as bad, if not worse than McDonalds double quarter pounders.

I posted it to prove to you that pancakes could be healthy food. You seemed bent on proving that they were not.

As for trying to prove that hospital cafeterias are selling food as bad as McD's, I will continue to beg the differ with ya. Don't know which cafeterias you have recently visited, but I do know for a fact that there are more healthy choices such as fruit, healthy deserts with low carbs, salads, hot food such as soups, roast beef, veggies, etc. If one MUST have a burger, they will make one for ya, although it is with low fat beef and wheat buns.

The cafeterias are run by hospital dietitians who do make sure the foods are within, as they put it, nutritional acceptance.

As was mentioned earlier, yes, Starbucks as well as other coffee kiosks are in some of these lobbies. Then again, it is all personal choice. But it has been proven, that even coffee, in MODERATION, can be healthy.

~holly

Originally posted by Holly N.R.A.
I posted it to prove to you that pancakes could be healthy food. You seemed bent on proving that they were not.

Sure, pancakes can be healthy if it's made with flax meal....or coconut flour. Generally, though, pancakes are made with wheat or white flour.

As for trying to prove that hospital cafeterias are selling food as bad as McD's, I will continue to beg the differ with ya. Don't know which cafeterias you have recently visited, but I do know for a fact that there are more healthy choices such as fruit, healthy deserts with low carbs, salads, hot food such as soups, roast beef, veggies, etc. If one MUST have a burger, they will make one for ya, although it is with low fat beef and wheat buns.

...don't forget juices and drinks served with plenty of sugar. And the low-fat meals served to diabetics.

The cafeterias are run by hospital dietitians who do make sure the foods are within, as they put it, nutritional acceptance.

Nutritional Acceptance? The last few dietitians I spoke to were at a loss for words when I brought up the latest in nutritional science. "Oh...but I the text books said this and the doctors I work with say that." And biochemistry....*facepalm*.

Just an example...I went to the hospital to visit my grandfather who had been admitted a week earlier. He's type 2 diabetic but doesn't rely on medication. When I asked how he was he told me his blood sugar has been acting up so they put him on glucose lowering medication....and I thought WTF? Turns out, whoever was in charge of his diet decided it best that he take a bottle of Ensure (high protein nutritional supplement drink) with every meal. I'm the one that had to bitch at the doctor about...explaining to him that his blood glucose is out of control because of the enourmous amount of SUGAR in each bottle.

Diabetics should not be fed a high carbohydrate diet like one's most prescribed by dietitians in hospitals. Period.

As was mentioned earlier, yes, Starbucks as well as other coffee kiosks are in some of these lobbies. Then again, it is all personal choice. But it has been proven, that even coffee, in MODERATION, can be healthy.

It hasn't been proven. There are plenty of papers that suggest regular coffee consumption may be benefitial....but the jury is still out. The data is all over the place.

....and just for giggles..

www.starbucks.com...

Nutrition Facts Per Serving (16 fl oz) Calories 540 Calories from Fat 170

Peppermint White Chocolate Mocha

Total Fat 19g 30%
Total Carbohydrate 80g 28%
Dietary Fiber 0g 0%
Sugars 76g
Protein 14g

How anybody in there right mind can think that's healthy is beyond me.

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd


OJ vs. a Dbl Cheeseburger for nutrition and you choose the burger?

reply to post by staple


Every single time.