Your NY UFO's for anyone who still thinks they were Aliens!!

reply to post by up up and away


Alright...well Ive seen many of planes in my day including military cause I currently serve in the army and those "lights," your talking about that arent blinking are called landing lights and every single plane has them. Also every single plane turns them on when they get within a certain proximity of an airport. If it was a black ops military craft I highly doubt they would be broadcasting it to the world over a major city like New York.

Im not a debunker by any means, in fact I believe we are being visited but come on this stuff is getting out of hand. Its stuff like this that makes us look like fools in the first place. Im not a proponent of ignorance, and that is exacty why I joined ATS.

reply to post by splint


NO they are not credible to me.

More than half the planets 6 billion think there is a god.

But cant prove it.

Does not mean they are right, no matter how much they think.

In order for something to become real it must be verifiable, not just a story.

I believe the daytime sighting to be balloons. But I'm not sure about the nighttime sighting. Unfortunately you cannot make a solid conclusion with the webcam footage provided. It's difficult to determine if there's anything unusual because of the low frame rate.

False or real, I'm glad that this "event" made the many witnesses question our state of solitude in this universe.

Originally posted by obzerv
Balloons?

If those are 'planes', then why is the glowing object in the upper right hand corner hovering in the same spot for about 4 mins? I mean it could be coming straight on, but then wouldn't it get brighter? Just a thought...

I don't know why some people are so against it being ufos... personally, i think it'd be great. It'd give the government a big headache to deal with, which i would find hilarious.

reply to post by MrRed


i think mr red is a mib and wants to lull us back to sleep.....shhhhh.....shhhhhh.....shhhh juuuust kidding

Originally posted by MrRed
I have gone through all the reports of the NY UFO's last Yesterday.[/img]

You went through all the reports. OK then. And wasn't last yesterday before the event in question?

Have a great ATS day,
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reply to post by up up and away

Originally posted by up up and away
Why aren't those "planes" lights flashing like all the the planes that fly in and out of the airport not more than 5 miles from my house?

Why aren't those "planes" lights flashing like the countless planes i watched coming and going at night when i lived on numerous military bases when i was younger?

Why? Because you're looking at time lapsed video and trying to interpret it the same way you perceive full-frame-rate live video and reality perception . There's a BIG difference there and you're literally missing a LOT of information.

The EarthCam seems to refresh every 7-8 seconds. The time stamp on the GIF shows it was recorded between 9:33 and 9:38 and there's only a total of 23 frames. Here's a breakdown of frames per minute in the GIF:

9:33 - 4 frames
9:34 - 2 frames
9:35 - 3 frames
9:36 - 6 frames
9:37 - 4 frames
9:38 - 4 frames

There could have been a total of around 40 frames from that duration and refresh rate but you still wouldn't have been able to see any flashes although you may have perceived lights appearing and disappearing. Standard video has almost 30 frames per second so for the same 5 minute duration there should have been around 9000 frames. You're literally seeing less than .003% of the available information.

www.cbsnews.com...

Did you see the story that all flight departures and arrivals at all three NY airports were delayed by 30-60 minutes on October 13th because of "fumes, smoke and odors at the regional air traffic control center."

Right... fumes, smoke and odors. Could all of these departures and arrivals been delayed at all three NY airports because of the "balloons" that were seen in the skies?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

It sure is getting old seeing these so called self proclaimed "skeptics" trying to make themselves appear intelligent and knowing more than others in these types of threads. They go after the most easily explainable incidents with the least amount of evidence and documentation like flies on poop...They then proceed to proudly claim that all unidentifiable aerial phenomenon are figments of peoples imagination.

Sad.

I doubt it to be airliners of any sort. If they were ordered to circle around an airfield they would be flying in different "layers" in the air to avoid collisions. Especially when they are flying over a major city in which 9/11 took place in. These "planes" are too close to eachother in my opinion.

The laser on the balloons theory would require quite some equipment to make it look like that. First of all, they are quite high up, which would make it hard as h*ll to hit the balloons with a laser. You would need some kind of tracking device to do that at that altitude. And that would either be one heck of fast flying balloon or ALOT of balloons to cover such a big area in the sky. So the laser/balloon idea seems to me to be rather lame theory.

The day pictures could ofcourse be balloons, they sure look like it. But we just don't know that for sure, do we?
We can only speculate in what seems to be the most "real" and logical explanation to it all. And that is all we can do atm. Speculate. So to me they are still UFO's ( Unidentified Flying Objects ).

reply to post by coastalite

I agree it could be a cover for something else but what do you have to suggest otherwise on topic besides "balloons" and Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmns?

reply to post by Jocko Flocko
Do you actually have anything intelligent to add to or besides the "most easily explainable incidents with the least amount of evidence and documentation like flies on poop...?" I see people at least trying to deny ignorance while you're not doing anything to assist. Maybe I'm just reading your words wrong.

reply to post by Akezzon

How can you decipher their relative altitudes or distances from the EarthCam? Athought I can't vouch for its reliability, here's an airport moniter site. You can select Newark and then enter the date and time (10/13/10@21:33 when the GIF began) and see planes that would have been visible from mid-town at the time. You can also click on individual planes and get information including altitude. I'm not saying it's an answer to everything but it adds to the credibility of airplanes which I believe it was.

I agree that it could be balloons and personally I almost absolutely believe it was ballons during the day and airplanes at night. I also fully agree that we just don't know for sure. And I'll even add to that we don't know anything for sure. In the end it all comes down to belief, plain and simple. I don't believe in much of anything a hundred percent because honestly, anything's possible in my mind and everyone has to make up their own mind.

Originally posted by Three_moons
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Originally posted by up up and away
Why aren't those "planes" lights flashing like all the the planes that fly in and out of the airport not more than 5 miles from my house?

Why aren't those "planes" lights flashing like the countless planes i watched coming and going at night when i lived on numerous military bases when i was younger?

Why? Because you're looking at time lapsed video and trying to interpret it the same way you perceive full-frame-rate live video and reality perception . There's a BIG difference there and you're literally missing a LOT of information.

The EarthCam seems to refresh every 7-8 seconds. The time stamp on the GIF shows it was recorded between 9:33 and 9:38 and there's only a total of 23 frames. Here's a breakdown of frames per minute in the GIF:

9:33 - 4 frames
9:34 - 2 frames
9:35 - 3 frames
9:36 - 6 frames
9:37 - 4 frames
9:38 - 4 frames

There could have been a total of around 40 frames from that duration and refresh rate but you still wouldn't have been able to see any flashes although you may have perceived lights appearing and disappearing. Standard video has almost 30 frames per second so for the same 5 minute duration there should have been around 9000 frames. You're literally seeing less than .003% of the available information.

i made that gif
as i was watching the cam i took a screen shot and then pasted to paint and returned to the cam page then took another screen shot an so and so on for 23 frames

the exact times of the frames are here if you want them

i will make a gif with adjusted times to clarify

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reply to post by Three_moons


Well, I figure that if they are gonna keep the distance required you shouldn't be able to see so many of them in the same view. But by judging by the speed they have they do seem to be on the same altitude.

[Edit "Adding text"] But then again... it just as much could be planes anyway. We can't really tell by the images. And they seem to be back. So chances are bigger now that they really are planes. =)

reply to post by MrRed


and aliens are just in costum up for halowen...

Well this looks like the perfect thread to post all those eyewitness reports I gathered. ( I HOPE YOU INTELLIGENT FOLKS READ ALL OF THIS AND NOT SAY TL;DR LIKE THE LAST TIME I POSTED THIS )

These were all collected from ATS, comments on the Huffington Post article and 1 eyewitness I actually got to talk to myself. I thought he was making it up, until he uploaded 2 brand new pictures I hadn't seen on the internet. Plus, you haven't seen them either. They were never uploaded to any site or forum.

I just joined this site looking for a forum to tell about what I saw today, I live near 23rd and 8th and just went out to catch the ABC and NY1 reporters who did there report that you can see online or TV. Again, I feel compelled to write about what my girlfriend and i witnessed today. Make no joke about it, they were not balloons and the reports speak nothing about the formations that were formed and then broken between the smaller objects or about the “mothership” looking objects. I spoke to the ABC reporter after he finished his report and he was sarcastic and joking about it, and the report of course comes off that way. Nothing about the military fighters that I and several other people saw. The military did scramble jets at high altitudes without a doubt. The guys I spoke with were older blue collar guys that saw the jest with me as did my girlfriend. Their contrails and speeds were definitive. Also, the patterns and the quantity of the smaller objects and their separation and then their union were beyond belief. They were not normal. They covered several hundred miles in seconds to unite and then breakaway from each other. I only witnessed one, near the ending of the entire event, smaller object proceed from a standing holding pattern across what must have been miles of sky to unite with a larger object. They were not balloons. They stop and moved. Scattered and formed. The military fighter (s), was as I said extremely high, well above the commercial air traffic. Their was something up, and it was not normal.

Well I am am the guy who called into the Jack Blood show. I saw these UFOs, whatever the hell they were with my bare eyes. I live on 34th btw 9th and 10th in NYC. We got a call from a friend who was shopping in Midtown. I went out side and didnt see #. Went up to our fire escape and sure enough these were these silverish glowing orbs that changed position, stood still at times, and vanished and appeared spontaneously. I don’t give a # if anyone believes me, I really didnt feel like typing this crap up. I have better things to do… but it made me laugh after I did a google search on it to see what was being said. Anybody who says it was ballons is talking out of their ass. These things had to be at 50,000 ft. I worked on A-6 Intruders in the Marine Corps, VMA 224, 2nd MAW out of Cherry Point, NC. I can gage these things pretty well. I believe they were some kind of military eye in the sky type of craft. I dont believe in aliens. Even if a craft landed in front of me and a little green man walked out I would still suspect the government. But that didnt happen.

Omg Omg Omgg!!!!!!!...I frean saw 2ufos ...I was bridge near harrison and newark, It was just starting to rain before it turned into hail. I was looking towards east which was towards nyc. At first it was quite clear how two objects strted moving in circles at incredible speeds. once or twice collapsing into single object and bursting into two again....damn ...it was so exciting...tried to take pics but the lights were quite dim to be captured by my iphone...they were there from 730pm est and happened till 8pm or so...the clouds were getting thicker and thicker and it was very difficult to locate them....but damn they WERE there!!... I can honetly confirm guys...I SAW it ...two objects ....moving at incredible speeds...and i tried to locate any flash lights just to be sure but there were none...!! this was my first ever!!

I went out to 23rd and 8th during the daytime like everyone else to see whats going on. There were several objects up in the air, about 20-30 and they came and went pretty quickly. They did look like balloons thought but the shape seemed to change a bit. They were yellow and were in the air for hours. They basically hovered. At one point there was a group of about 15-20 and one came closer to that group as if it was going to join them but it went around them instead. They did not make sharp turns, they moved with intent unlike a floating balloon in the air. When they were hovering they did not move at all much. They moved in many directions and at one point there was a cluster of them. Some seemed to be near each other but moved in different directions, if they were balloons I don't think they would have been doing that. My friend who was with me was convinced they were balloons but they were there far too long and moved in such an interesting way that I doubt they were balloons. I was watching this whole thing for about 45 minutes.

yes there was about 50 people or so gathered on 23rd street and 8th ave, my girlfriend and i and many of us witnessed white objects in the sky very high around 1pm, looked like 2 motherships white ballooned shaped, being at times merged with up to 30 to 50 very small round white objects. They were not weather balloons and they were way above commercial air traffic. We saw a military jet pass at high speeds well below the objects altitude. I personally saw one object still in position for 10 minutes then move across the sky and merge with one of the larger objects. My girlfriend, before I arrived witnessed a formation of around 10 smaller objects merge with a larger one. A man she spoke to had been there 2 hours prior and witnessed what he said was over 20 objects merging. No accounts on news. Anyone?

we have video from bad cell phone, we just watched and you cant see the objects. the frog video is about the same. We are very freaked now, as we new nothing about the oct 13th predictions, i googles "ufos manhattan 0ct 13th" and got the link to the predictions of fulham for today! It's unreal. Whatever was in the sky was not of this earth and they were not military. I am not going to guess their altitude but they were at least thousands of feet above the highest aircraft. we are kicking ourselves for not running home and getting video camera but then again the altitude may have denied any good pic. So frustrating. But I ama skeptic and an agnostic and so is my girlfriend and we know that what we saw was very very unusual.

I stood and watched them for about 40 minutes moving into formations backwards and forwards in the sky. The strangest thing that happened in that time, that I haven't seen anyone yet report was the appearance of a triangle shaped fighter jet, which raced across the sky and seemed to circle near them 4 or 5 times before seemingly disappearing into thin air! It was without doubt the strangest thing ive ever seen in my life. Anybody else see it? A few people stood with me on the corner of 23rd and 8th Ave saw it as well. 2 questions... 1. Why would the Air Force scramble a fighter jet to check out balloons and 2. How and why did the said jet vanish into thin air in a clear blue sky?

I was in mid-town early this evening and there was a lone helicopter hovering in one spot extremely high in the sky. It caught my attention because it was in a stationery position and frankly, I've never noticed that before so I stared at it for aboout 3 minutes and it didn't move. I chalked it up to the news covering traffic on the westside. I was on 5th Ave and 39th Street near Lord & Taylor. May or may not have meaning but 39th and 5th is not that far from 23rd and 8th Ave. Not liking the possibilities. As if we don't have enough going on.

I was there. It was very unsettling to watch. There's no rational explanation to that spectacle in the sky. They stood together, in the same relative position to each other - you could call it a formation - and in the same spot in the sky, with very minimal movement for a long time. Small bright perfectly formed dots, against a perfectly blue sky. Surreal. Much too far, too bright and too stationary to be balloons, though I'm open to that explanation if someone can prove it to me. What I saw was unnerving - still is. There were two crowds of people, one watching a formation visible to the East and another crowd the formation to the West. I did not see the one to the West, because the Eastern one was enough. It took a while for the eye to focus on the dots. They were so far away. The one to the East had 5 objects in it. All stayed put with very little movement for about 20 minutes or so except that at one point, three of them formed a perfect triangle, the fourth one moved a bit to the upper tip of the triangle and the fifth one moved farther away to the right. Then they kept that position for a while. It got to be disconcerting. I have no rational explanation and was hoping the news would post something logical about military exercises, etc. No luck!

It's strange really, some of them say they are clustering. Even on the FOX news report, the first person they interview ( the bald guy ) he says the same thing. " They were clustering..." and thats when they cut him off.

Here is him saying they were clustering, skip to 1:16.




Also there are mention of aircraft scrambled and helicopter. I actually have a video of the NYC 13th sighting, with a black helicopter flying nearby.


You can just faintly see the white object in the middle of the screen.

reply to post by MZYYY


Can i see these pictures

The best part of this NY tale for me was seeing them use the Earthcam images above in a Fox news (I think) report. Which means they got their news from this ATS board Which is thrilling. And I managed to catch the thread saying to look there and saw the images everyone has been posting live. Which makes it an EVENT!

A couple of nights ago, whilst drearily reading through some threads here, I saw three planes approach Heathrow at 5.30am ish. First they rose up beyond the horizon, and there were three of them, which lingered just like the Earthcam material and then went round to the right, about a minute apart.

A little investigation (which anyone can do, and once is enough) proves (in my situation) they're just coming in and decreasing altitude from the East which is beyond the horizon and my eyesight and then appearing over the hills as they approach the particular flight pattern/path - which even has a name, but I can't remember it or find it on Google - and then presumably land, but I can't see that much.

So, beside the big blob which I guessed was the moon it was quite clearly just planes, taking off, landing, whatever...following prescribed flight paths. Then last night I was watching TV, I can't remember which programme now, but saw the exact same shot and angle in a completely un-related documentary or something and lo and behold there were plane lights in the background. Albeit a short shot. My point is, you can probably get the name of that flight path used by the "NY earthcam UFOs" and theoretically someone would probably have been able to confirm on a free online flight radar and control tower/aircraft streams what the aircraft details in the vid actually were. But I doubt anyone bothered. I know I didn't.

The rest, yeah, balloons. Co-incidence that it happened mr Major Booksellingoppurtunity's date. ATS' imagination let loose - kapow. At least it was interesting activity, and all the more reason for a sequel to his book. Shame little more than a string of angry threads happened on Oct 15th 2008. Well, here's to the next one which I assume is now a two yearly event, Oct 13/14th 2012. Which I hasten to add is in my new book, UFOs, Balloons and Recurring Dates in October. Available never.

Skepticism aside, the clump of balloons image & the big "moon" blob in the earth-cam footage continue to intrigue me. As do the three planes I saw land at Heathrow at 5.30am, a time when planes don't land or take-off in the UK. Ooooh. PM? But sitting on a fence as I do - I'm leaning toward the gritty, suburban truth side. Planes, balloons and lanterns and air shows. But because we and the media were tuned in and on the ball I also think we'll get our smoking gun footage in the not so distant future. Of a balloon

Oh and hey call me crazy but a few every-day people keep taking a crack at sending iphone's up into the atmosphere on a balloon to record them and then collect them with a GPS. How they manage to avoid rivers and just go straight up I don't know, but if more people got into it - we'd have our own public, free edge of space archive footage. Some of it looks amazing, and it's completely uncensored. And with HD video phones around the corner...

Originally posted by casijones

Originally posted by obzerv
Balloons?

If those are 'planes', then why is the glowing object in the upper right hand corner hovering in the same spot for about 4 mins? I mean it could be coming straight on, but then wouldn't it get brighter? Just a thought...

I don't know why some people are so against it being ufos... personally, i think it'd be great. It'd give the government a big headache to deal with, which i would find hilarious.

Well it looks like the MOON so that could be the reason ,really simple if you actually LOOK at what you are watching.

reply to post by wmd_2008


its not the moon in the top right hand corner
i have checked the location and size and luminosity of the moon in that location on the day
if you look at the footage it enters in the top of the frame at the top right
it (not the moon) is more luminus then the planes flying in the back round
in fact mant people thought at first that this object was the moon because it was so bright
then they said venus ok how venus as bright as the moon?
if it was the moon i would have seen it at night on the same cam over then next week
well i have been watching that cam like a hawk for one solid week and have seen neither moon nor venus
the only thing i have seen is one or two planes flying right to left
and the odd helicopter
there is a second object of interest in the middle of the screen
and yes there are planes inhabiting the same area of screen
the objects originating from the right hand side of the screen are planes they fly towards the camera on the left hand side and then turn and climb from left to right

the object that appers to be hovering that was more luminious than the planes was constantly in screen for at least half an hour and i watched the refreash rate of 10 frames per second and this object was present the whole time not a time frame effect but acually in all the frames with no planes flying from the position
the planes from the left continued to take off create a fixed dot then turn and climb from the left to the right exiting the screen
there were no planes exiting this more luminious object and it was a constant in all the frames for aprox 27 mins

when the closest large object that was the most luminious started to transition out of frame and was reduced as a light source for the camera the main object was seen to absorb three small lights and as each light joined into the object it grew in luminosity

so if its planes at least four planes were on the same vector or flight path and they all combined into one dot of light and they all turned to climb right after climbing left initially and ALL FOUR PLANES then changed directions while climbing at exactly the same time

i watched these two things for an hour in amazement

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