Is Free Thinking A Mental Illness?

This should be a final warning to anyone who still believes that psychiatry is anything resembling "science" that is here to help mankind.
Yet another tool for the PTB to suppress individuality (very bad in a fascist state!) and further herd us all into the groupthink mentality.
God save the weird!
They are the world's last best hope.

Can their real agenda be any more blatant?
Do you have to be caged in barbed wire to start thinking for yourselves?
I pray that is not the case or we are SKROOD.

So I googled ODD...

It looks like people are kind of twisting this. It seems like ODD only applies to children, and even then its not "free thinking" children, but kids who won't listen to their parents and throw tantrums. aka brats

Sounds more like bad parenting than a mental disorder to me.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


I like this. It is direct. I think the OP is intended to be humorous.
Thinking is free by it's nature. The idea of one type of thinking being free and another unfree is the real misconstrual here. It's like saying "You have free will but do you want it"....energy flows where attention goes and right now there is alot of attention online, which whether we like it or not is just the new television....the new numb-er.

If you really want to think freely then you need to get offline, go outside and be whatever you want to be cos until then your choosing to be a geek and and just because your online talking above top secret stuff TPTB know exactly where you are, what you are doing and they sleep very soundly indeed.....
I should take my own advice.

New mental illnesses identified by the DSM-IV include arrogance, narcissism, above-average creativity, cynicism, and antisocial behavior. In the past, these were called “personality traits,” but now they’re diseases.

Above average creativity? Can they be serious?

reply to post by crimvelvet

That may actually be a genuine behavior disorder, but the misuse of the label especially by school systems and the government is what is worrying.

Yes that is worrying, I do believe that psychologists do over-diagnose, but that is more of a problem with psychologists own greed than a problem with children.

Notice that "creativity" is also listed as a "Vice" This type of thinking on the part of educators is understandable once you know its origins. It also explains why government education has been continually degraded over the years.

What you should also notice is that a lot of people are self diagnosing. Which is an issue. People shouldn't assume just because of threads like this that people who think for themselves have some sort of mental illness or that the "government" is out to get free thinkers, frankly the amount of people who haven't actually shown critical free thinking skills in this thread alone is far far more frightening.

reply to post by Le Colonel

i also noticed that not many people actually searched for their own info and just went with OP.

This has nothing to do with being a "free thinker", and well to jump to conclusions means, thinking was not really used at all LOL

But many of these same people that just went with the OP claim to be "free thinkers" when in reality they are acting a lot more like the proverbial "sheeple".

reply to post by BobbinHood

So I googled ODD...

It looks like people are kind of twisting this. It seems like ODD only applies to children, and even then its not "free thinking" children, but kids who won't listen to their parents and throw tantrums. aka brats

Sounds more like bad parenting than a mental disorder to me.

Pretty much, but many parent's today don't take an active roll in parenting, they rely too much on schools and psychologists and medication to raise their children for them.


Cmon people, look this up for yourselves, this isn't a mental illness that affects adults who think for themselves, it's a childhood disorder. I seriously doubt that any of you have this disorder at all. And if "free thinking" was a mental disorder, seriously? Many of you who just went with the OP as if it were the gospel truth, sad to say, you certainly don't have "free thinking disorder".

Caution strong language, but somes up how I feel about this subject.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


Please people, if you can't research claims for yourself at least read the entire thread to see if people have answered your questions. As I have already stated all of the "disorders" this article mentions are either not in the DSM or completely misrepresented. There is no listing in the DSM for creativity and no disorder where creativity is a symptom. The only thing I can figure is that the author read the articles that link schizophrenia with creativity and then from that came to the conclusion that creativity is the only symptom for schizophrenia.

reply to post by whatukno

What you should also notice is that a lot of people are self diagnosing. Which is an issue. People shouldn't assume just because of threads like this that people who think for themselves have some sort of mental illness or that the "government" is out to get free thinkers, frankly the amount of people who haven't actually shown critical free thinking skills in this thread alone is far far more frightening.

Unfortunately the facts do not agree with your thinking. The number of kids "diagnosed and treated" in schools systems has gone up so high that it is a topic of discussion among parents when I do entertainment for kids (My day job)

...Since children are frequently treated with Ritalin because of behavior disorders observed in the school setting, one of the significant issues is drug effect on scholastic and behavioral variables....
www.jstor.org...

In 1970 over 200,000 elementary school children were drugged to make them sit still in class. The situation prompted Congressman Galleger to hold hearings on the practice. (note it is the 1970's AGAIN)

The book: Teaching the Restless: One School's remarkable no-Ritalin Approach to Helping Children Learn and Suceed estimates there are 6 MILLION kids diagnosed and on drugs throughout the USA today!

My ongoing work with young people has convinced me that extraordinary things can happen when kids work and play together in a community that tolerates personal differences...

Here are the real causes:
Teachers are using drugs as a crutch for rotten teaching skills, dumbed down curriculums and no legal methods of discipline.
Parents are discouraged from disciplining their children for fear of legal repercussions and therefore allow them to get away with murder here in the USA. (I lived overseas what a difference!)
Corporations fill the schools with candy and caffeine filled sodas.

Yes their are a minority of kids with real problems that need medication but many are perfectly normal except for bad learned behaviors. I saw a classic example in my neighbor's four year old. She refused to actually discipline the child until the little girl almost killed her baby sister. However the kid never gave me any problems because I was onto her antics and she knew it. I finally got the kid and the mother into behavior modification therapy and they are now doing fine.

In another example I watched the two worst actors in my class in grade school turn into model students when they were placed into advanced classes that challenge them. Today they would be stoned out of their minds on drugs.

As I said I work with kids all the time their behavior is more influenced by the parents' culture and attitude towards discipline than anything else. Believe me it is VERY noticeable as you go from one culture group to another.

reply to post by mcrom901


"New mental illnesses identified by the DSM-IV include arrogance, narcissism, above-average creativity, cynicism, and antisocial behavior. In the past, these were called “personality traits,” but now they’re diseases."
Ain't it a shame ! Most everyone in Washington including our President carry these "traits".Most especially the first two.

reply to post by Jamjar

...I do however twitch when TPTB start diagnosing children, to me that is plain wrong unless there is some MAJOR inccidents - abuse, violence, etc

That is my whole problem with the subject too. As far as I am concerned behavior modification should be tried first and drugs should be the last resort unless you have a very obvious problem such as the use of lithium in the treatment of bipolar disorder.

Because behavior modification is hard work and can be frustrating, I am afraid drugs are used as the easy way out by the establishment, teachers and even parents.

Originally posted by mcrom901


the latest trends in psychotronic warfare?

i have no doubt that any and all 'personality traits' will shortly be cataloged as various diseases....

is somebody trying to prove we are all crazy?

the article reads...

"New mental illnesses identified by the DSM-IV include arrogance, narcissism, above-average creativity, cynicism, and antisocial behavior. In the past, these were called “personality traits,” but now they’re diseases."

i know many who fall under that category....

anywhoo.... all sufferers please raise your hands....

offthegridnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

AHAHAHAHA!
Dude, thank you so much. For the last year or so I've been suspecting that the government is making freethinkers "Crazy" and whatnot by identifying them as ADHD, OCD etc.
Mainly noticed because I was reading the news and all the "bad guys" are described much like myself. haha.

*RAISE HAND*

Originally posted by Kailassa
And when PETROLCOIN poted about his experiences of actually living with this disorder, his message was ignored because it was not what folks here wanted to hear.

I apologize, but I believe you misinterpreted my post.

I have never been diagnosed with this disorder. I only spoke as if I have the disorder because the intention behind the creation of this "disorder" by the medical industrial complex was to label anyone with an opposing view to that of the status quo as being mentally ill. Since I do have an opposing view to that of the status quo, in their eyes, I am mentally ill.

I was simply, sarcastically, and ironically mocking their attempts to label open-minded individuals like myself as mentally ill simply because we choose not to conform to the ignorance of masses.

I do apologize. I speak in a very complex form of sarcasm, as can be seen in my first post. I am a free-thinker - and therefore have this "disorder" - but claiming I am "struggling" with it and living a "troubled" life was purely sarcasm in an attempt to mock their efforts to label me mentally ill.

I believe, as others stated, this is either a ploy for increased pharmaceutical sales or perhaps a way for the government to label and discredit otherwise credible, but dissident peoples. Very frightening indeed.

reply to post by 59demon


I have stated this multiple times now, this information is 16 years old and is going to be out of date in 3 years at most. In other words the DSM IV has been out since 1994 and the DSM V is scheduled for release in 2013. So, all of you are claiming that this is clear proof that the government is trying to outlaw free thinking, yet if it weren't for this sensationalistic article you wouldn't even have heard of oppositional defiant disorder. You know why? Because it isn't anything like everyone in this topic thinks it is and it is very rare. On top of the diagnostic criteria I posted earlier I should also point out that the disorder most commonly presents itself at home. A child may behave fine in school or in social situations, but if they're home with only their parents, that's when the symptoms appear. That doesn't sound like a disorder that's sole purpose is to lock up "free thinkers."

Wow! I just don't what to say about researchers and their endless pursuit to decribe normal behavior of Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

It is my belief if this disease never existed, we be a happy bunch living in caves and fighting hungry wolves for food.

Some give these researchers a cure for their findings.

Again let me reiterate, the op's linked article is incorrect. This supposed mental illness is a childhood condition. If you are not a child, this shouldn't apply to you at all. So, unless we have a slew of feisty 6 year olds posting in this thread, this disorder is not describing you.

Free thinking is not a mental health disorder, and if it was, sad to say, those of you in this thread that have taken the OP's link at it's word and have attributed it to yourself without independent research of your own have failed in having the primary symptom of free thinking which is to think for yourself.

Look up his "disorder" for yourself, you will see it doesn't actually describe free thinkers at all, but instead bratty children who throw temper tantrums and bully their parents.

Not thinking for yourself and incorrectly diagnosing yourself with a mental disorder that you don't understand? = free thinking fail.

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
--- Nietzsche

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

--- Bernard Shaw

Originally posted by TokiTheDestroyer
reply to post by mcrom901

 

Great, I wonder what kind of new 'wonder drug' big pharmaceutical companies are going to 'develop' to 'cure' this 'illness'.

A lobotomy.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals

New mental illnesses identified by the DSM-IV include arrogance, narcissism, above-average creativity, cynicism, and antisocial behavior. In the past, these were called “personality traits,” but now they’re diseases.

Above average creativity? Can they be serious?

It's true though... There is a very fine line between the eccentric genius and the criminally insane...

Keep in mind though that lots of positive things come from illness...

reply to post by Kailassa


First of all, PETROLCOIN's post was satire. Second, I won't argue that the title of the article is worded to be intentionally provocative and most people who read it won't be doing independent research, but I think the point is that even if there is such a mental disease, where do we draw the line? You might say trained Psychiatrists are qualified to draw this line, and then I would refer you to the
Rosenhan Experiment