U.S. Alarmed by Harsh Tone of China's Military

Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

“Unfortunately, the two militaries are locked in a classic security dilemma, whereby each side’s supposedly defensive measures are taken as aggressive action by the other, triggering similar countermeasures in an inexorable cycle,”

Can anyone else see the profit here? Come on, this is a military industrial wet dream. I am sure there are rooms full of wealthy people high fiving one another in celebration of a new cold war.

Exactly.... With China so heavily invested in the dollar, the liklihood of an actual war breaking out is slim, the only thing I could see happening besides the MIC fatcats getting fatter, is china using the debt they hold as an excuse for invasion, but that would be foolish unless the second amendment is repealed, regardless of how many soldiers they have.

Unless they can team up with Mexico it would be a logistical nightmare getting their troops here.

Jaden

Anybody ever have the experience of discussing "current events" with friends or co-workers, and realizing you ALL have exactly the same limited information from reading the exact same story in the exact same newspaper? That all of you are trying to seem informed by parroting the same handful of "facts", then using them to reach the conclusion that the editors of the newspaper directed you toward?

The standard chestnuts of China/US conflict:
1. China has no naval power
2. China holds US debt
3. Will never happen - too much economic interdependence

While I know nothing, really, about anyone's true military capabilities, (and if you think you do, please consider the importance of dissembling and disinformation in warfare), it's worth remembering this:

Money is an exchange medium. True wealth is physical and mental. If your economy is in ruins, but you have control over resource-rich areas, willing or coerced labor, and good strategists, your ability to make war still exists. If the world economy grinds to a halt, this doesn't cause ships to sink. It doesn't cause crops to fail. It doesn't prevent your existing stockpile of bullets from firing. Furthermore, if you have raw materials, and your labor pool is willing to work for nationalist sentiment or the fear of death, you have the capacity to make more bullets, etc. Granted, some resources are available only in certain areas, but foreign nations may also respond to non-economic incentives to share those resources.

Wartime economies are robust because the war itself provides a ready "market" for goods. Rather than producing consumer items, productive capacity is shifted to manufacturing weapons, whose "market" is their capacity to be "consumed" through firing. You don't need an export market for speakers and microwaves when your factories have been converted to making field radios and radar...the battlefield is your market.

Slightly off-topic, remembering that money doesn't float ships or grow crops is useful in cutting through economic B.S. If they tell you we're in a "depression", ask yourself how it is that people can go hungry while farmland lies fallow. Ask yourself how it is that with people who are dying to work, the same amount of land, water, oil, and sunshine available, somehow a system that WE CREATED to facilitate the exchange of goods and services is now preventing us from exchanging those goods and services. We talk about the "laws of economics" like they're the laws of physics, but they're not. They are artificial, and the vast majority of economic theory serves primarily to confuse and obfuscate the truth - that the reason people are going hungry and becoming homeless is that property owners are withholding our right to work for our own survival on the planet we all share.

Originally posted by babybunnies
It will be Economic in nature. China will collapse the US dollar and call in debt all at the same time.

USA would collapse within a week.

Who's going to collect the debt, and with what force? I've always wondered that, when I see these posts about China collapsing the U.S. economically. What if we just tell them to F themselves? The entire world financial system is dependent on the U.S., China's more than anybody else, and when it really comes down to it, might is what matters. What's the count on U.S. nukes vs. Chinese? Super carriers? What about the weapons we have that none of us even know exist? We know they do exist, we just don't know what they are. All that money is going somewhere. If it comes down to this war to end all wars that so many threads year after year state are just around the corner, you can bet those secret weapons will make their debut. Sure, Russia has alot of nukes too, but are they going to sacrifice their country for the Chinese? I doubt it, Russia's leaders don't want to rule over a smoldering wasteland anymore than ours do, or China's. The elitists of all the major powers play these mind games to keep the populations of their countries angry at the leaders of other countries, so the populations of their countries don't have time to see how royally they are f-ing them day in day out. Works pretty well too.

reply to post by PocketRevolution


Excellent post. My thoughts exactly, I'm so tired of reading all the crap like the Chinese have a button they can push to bring the U.S. economy down. I know many people wish that, but their governments have them snowed too, and they're playing along like good little drones, with their anger being directed exactly where it's supposed to be.

reply to post by 27jd


Agreed with both of you, and stars for both- him for writing that, and you for pointing it out.

But do we really have a choice? All we get is the MSM news plus a bunch of independent stuff, and either way, it is the only information one has to work with. But it takes coming to a site like this to get the real lowdown and read between the lines.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
But do we really have a choice? All we get is the MSM news plus a bunch of independent stuff, and either way, it is the only information one has to work with. But it takes coming to a site like this to get the real lowdown and read between the lines.

I hear ya. At this point in history, the world is a scripted pro wrestling match, and the MSM is nothing more than paid announcers. It's maddening to think about how 2% of the population controls the vast majority of the world's wealth and resources, and the other 98% are so easy to control, they allow it to be that way and serve those masters, some enthusiastically. WHY?! Why do we allow children to starve in 3rd world countries, while a few elitists own multiple personal aircraft and multiple million dollar homes? This world's resources belong to all of us, but a few greedy, evil men around the world have mastered the ability to play people against each other so well, that people somehow think they deserve everything.

Interesting is that china has the largest navy in the world but most people in the US don't understand that.

There container ships and roll-on/roll-off ships of the merchant fleet are and can be used as a amphibious fleet capable of transporting large numbers of troops in the million man range.

There navy officers rotate between the military and the merchant and fishing fleet so they know ports around the world from the inside out.
There fishing fleet is also a intelligence gathering fleet.
www.americanthinker.com...
educate-yourself.org...

reply to post by ANNED


Read your links. Container ships are just a tad bit different than lets say Carriers, destroyers, Trident subs, so on and so on. Deployment will always be a problem for China...lots of disposable bodies that the PLA has, but no means to transport those several million bodies where needed. Let's face it....we would all see them coming.

I am astounded at the shear ignorance I hear about China being such a super power and potential threat..lots of folks out there including the PLA are ramming this down the throats of the West. Why?

With the nifty little weapons deal that Taiwan has with U.S defense contractors..the small island of Taiwan could inflict some serious damage on China.www.globalresearch.ca...

China supposed economic power is built out of producing toxic trinkets for the PEA BRAINED "GOTTA HAVE IT NOW SHOPPER" then the PTB ratchet up the Chinese threat so they can lul us into greater conflict.

Nothing like bending over and taking it at both ends.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


I starred your post and will have to reply in a little bit. You made a good point but I gotta go do laundry