Oregon county decriminalizes heroin, meth, cocaine and shoplifting, among others

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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The current laws dealing with illegal drugs are very clear and precise.

Possession of less than 35g of Marijuana is a misdemeanor
Possession of more than 35g of Marijuana is a Felony
Possession of any other illegal drug in any quantity is a Felony
Possession of prescription narcotics not in the original bottle is a Felony
Possession of prescription narcotics that do not belong to you is a Felony

There is no individual right to do illegal drugs.

The Supreme Court has ruled the FDA, its creation and oversight, are valid. The FDA makes the list of drugs based on medical use, and has discretion to approve, unapprove, remove, or add those drugs to the list.


The war on drugs does not work. We need to concentrate on treatment and decriminalization of some drugs.
Failure to get treatment, or failing treatment multiple times should result in a prison sentence.

There are many medical studies done that show what these drugs to the the human body, which is why they are illegal, or tightly controlled under medical supervision, and by prescription only based on the diagnosis. People ignore these studies because of something called denial. Doing drugs is an addiction, and people who claim to be able to control this behavior would go bonkers without the drug.

If you don't want to go to jail, then have the law changed, or don't get caught by the police.

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Originally posted by Xcathdra

blah, blah, blah, yakety, yak, yak, meek meek, and merk merk.

The 9th Amendment in the Bill of Rights of the Constitution for the United States of America is clear:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

I have in several posts in this thread cited State Constitutions, (You know those documents you like to pretend have no meaning?), showing how they too have a Section that echos the language and meaning of the 9th Amendment. What is clear is that unalienable rights belong to the people and you don't get to decide what those rights are, or are not. Nobody has granted you this authority, and if you disparage or deny a person those rights, you are a criminal, with or without a badge. The only thing saving you from consequence of that crime, (you know that course of action that comes with personal responsibility?), is the immunity Clause conveniently placed in the State Constitution you so love to pretend doesn't have any weight.

The People are getting sick and tired of petty little tyrants such as yourself, and certainly tired of the absurd tyranny of the FDA. The Supreme Court once ruled that the 18th Amendment was Constitutional, but that didn't save that ridiculous Amendment, did it?

The war on drugs has been a war waged on people, and you have been a willing soldier, not much different than a Nazi soldier, all too willing to obey the orders to trample all over the rights of people. Your empty rhetoric that drug laws need to be "decriminalized" and forced treatment be used under threat of imprisonment, on "some" drugs arbitrarily picked by you, does not in any way play as benign. Your tyranny is evident, and I have seen plenty of wolves wear sheep's clothing far better than you wear it.

There have been many medical studies that have shown the harm that processed sugars cause the body. Many medical studies that have shown the harm that smoking tobacco causes the body, many medical studies that have shown the harm that drinking alcohol does to the liver and other organs, many medical studies that show the harm cholesterol does to the body, and of course, you won't stop at drugs, in your relentless drive to criminalize peoples behavior. You will find any reason you can to criminalize people, disingenuously pretending you only do it to protect them from themselves, but in truth, you do it for motives that are self involved, and have nothing at all to do with respect for others.

Your unfettered arrogance is demonstrated regularly, but this remark in particular reveals just how profoundly arrogant you are:

If you don't want to go to jail, then have the law changed, or don't get caught by the police.

You obviously assume I am using drugs, simply because I argue that people have the right to use drugs if they so choose. You're a fool who operates on baseless assumptions, and such behavior makes you a very, very, very, dangerous law enforcement officer.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Jezus
Getting high is not a problem...

It is for other people, which is a problem

Wrong, you are mistaking correlation for causation.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Jezus
Drug use is not intrinsically attached to other negative behavior.

You guys can ignore the stats all you want, and use the counter websites to support that position. I can show you, and have, stats that say other.

Wrong, you are mistaking correlation for causation.

Part of the reason the correlation exists is BECAUSE drugs are illegal and it forces drug users to deal with criminals.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Jezus
Why is it appropriate to arrest all drug users because SOME can't use them responsibly?

How were these people arrested? Implying we arrest all drug users is a joke and you know it.

You aren't dealing with the issue.

Why is it appropriate to arrest drug users because SOME can't use them responsibly?

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Jezus
Why is it appropriate to arrest all drug users because SOME can't control themselves?

Why are these people who have the drugs stupid enough to have a forced contact with Law Enforcement, putting themselves in that situation?

Again, you aren't dealing with the issue; you are just attempting to rationalize it...

Why is it appropriate to arrest drug users because SOME can't use them responsibly?

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Jezus
Ridiculous comparison.

Using drug does not infringe on other people's right.

You have no rights under Law, or the Constitution, to do drugs.

Pursuit of Happiness.

And again, we are debating the illegality of drugs.

Repeatedly saying "drugs are illegal" is not a logical or moral argument.

This is called circular logic.

Originally posted by Xcathdra If drug use was a violation of a guaranteed individual right, the judicial system would of ruled on it by now.

WHAT !?

You are actually claiming that the law is right...because it is the law?

You need to do some critical thinking...

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Jezus
People have a right to do what they want as long as they do not infringe on other people's rights.

And again what were people doing when they were arrested for drug possession?.

Again, you aren't dealing with the issue; you are just attempting to rationalize it...

Why is it appropriate to arrest drug users because SOME can't use them responsibly?

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Jezus
MANY people do drugs without incident; and yes even hard drugs...

and MANY more people do drugs, even hard drugs, that have disastrous, life altering, life ending results.

All its takes is once.

The most dangerous part of doing drugs is law enforcement.

Originally posted by Xcathdra If drug use was a violation of a guaranteed individual right, the judicial system would of ruled on it by now.

This kind of thinking is extremely dangerous.

This is literally why atrocities happen.

Just because something is so, doesn't make it right.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
There are many medical studies done that show what these drugs to the the human body, which is why they are illegal, or tightly controlled under medical supervision, and by prescription only based on the diagnosis.

This is completely false. This is not why drugs are illegal.

They are illegal because of greed and ignorance.

Big tobacco lobbied against marijuana and politicians used it to gain power.
Paper companies lobbied against hemp.
Drug companies lobbied against the free use of heroin and coc aine.

Now we have the criminal industrial complex (private prison system) that profits from this "War on Drugs" and it is so giant and entrenched in our public policy because it is connected to many people's paychecks.

It is all about money and it is sustained by spreading ignorance.

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Uhm right.. How come convicted Felons loose their right to vote then? How come the USSC has backed that decision.

The Constitution does not guarantee a right to take drugs that are outlawed by the Federal Government. No matter how much you think this infringes on whatever perceived rights you think you have by ignoring case law and Federal Statute.

But good luck.

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Its not dangerous in this regards. And I posted links one page back to studies that have been done in relation to this topic.

Just because people do drugs when they don't agree with FEderal Law, doesn't make it right.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
The Constitution does not guarantee a right to take drugs that are outlawed by the Federal Government.

This is circular logic.

The point is, according to the constitution, they should NOT be outlawed by the Federal Government.

The "War on Drugs" is immoral but more importantly it does not even work to prevent drug use.

It creates violence. It empowers criminals. It creates ignorance about drugs.

This ignorance only fuels abuse and addiction issues; and this is really the only problem with drug use in the first place.

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Your insistence on framing rights as only being that which government allows say's all we need to know about you, sport. You are woefully ignorant of the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Part of the reason the United States has the highest percent of our population in prison is because of the "War on Drugs"

The sad thing is many of these people are nonviolent drug offenders.

"The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world at 754 persons in prison or jail per 100,000 (as of 2008).[6] A report released Feb. 28, 2008 indicates that more than 1 in 100 adults in the United States are in prison.[24] The United States has less than 5% of the world's population[25] and 23.4% of the world's prison population."

"Violent crime was not responsible for the quadrupling of the incarcerated population in the United States from 1980 to 2003. Violent crime rates had been relatively constant or declining over those decades. The prison population was increased primarily by public policy changes causing more prison sentences and lengthening time served, e.g. through mandatory minimum sentencing, "three strikes" laws, and reductions in the availability of parole or early release. These policies were championed as protecting the public from serious and violent offenders, but instead yielded high rates of confinement for nonviolent offenders. Nearly three quarters of new admissions to state prison were convicted of nonviolent crimes. Only 49 percent of sentenced state inmates were held for violent offenses. Perhaps the single greatest force behind the growth of the prison population has been the national "war on drugs." The number of incarcerated drug offenders has increased twelvefold since 1980. In 2000, 22 percent of those in federal and state prisons were convicted on drug charges."

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Originally posted by darkdays4u

Alcohol is more dangerous than illegal drugs like heroin, ecstasy and crack coc aine, according to a new study. Researchers rated alcohol the most dangerous substance based on the overall dangers to the individual and society as a whole.

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The one thing you can almost COUNT on when you find someone with drugs on them, is a criminal history involving such things as Domestic violence, assault, car prowls and burgs among other things. Unfortunately, people that are involved in drugs are almost always also involved in criminal activity. They can't hold a job to support their habit so they do anything they can to get their next fix and they don't care who they hurt to get it. For a lot of these drug addicts, spending some time in jail is the best thing (and the safest place) for them.

Wow