The 13 Crystal Skulls Brought Together on 10/10/10

AHH the old crystal skulls again, very controversial
and a clever hoax for most if not all of them.

not that i would not mind to have one in my possession
they are kind of cool great craftsmanship there for sure.

But one never really knows the truth about them all i
suppose. how many more are there out there?

There is one of them that does appear to show
a saucer shape inside when it is held up to the
light but then it could mean nothing more than
a trick of the light and the shape of this skull.

Originally posted by predator0187
Did you really expect there to be some cosmic event?

As you previously stated one may not be authentic, and also if something were to happen maybe it sent out a message at the speed of light to the originators and we have to wait a whole bunch of years for a reply.

Who knows?

Thanks and good to know that they placed all the skulls together.

Pred...

It should only take about 2 years and 2 months for the reply.

reply to post by Chamberf=6
It's a load of garbage and the British Museum doesn't send items of the collection to wacky mystics and New Agers in NY fashion universities (www.fitnyc.edu...).

Sometimes, I wonder just how crazy an idea has to be before it won't be a thread on ATS.

reply to post by Kandinsky


Actually, I think the original subject of the thread, that being the article about the "event", how they brought 13 skulls together and nothing happened, is a perfect subject for a thread on ATS.

I wasn't claiming belief in the skulls, I was just reporting information.

found a wooden skull once, and if you filled it up enough you could get many experiences from it.

they have these ceremonies pretty well each year and no great messages have ever come about by bringing any of those skulls together, they are nothing more than cool, inanimate works of art. just a spiritulist mindgame where they channel and use certain props for an added effect.

www.soundsofsirius.com...

Rocks are special, they are the foundation of the world.

What is crystal? It is the condensed carbon from a collection of organic matter.

Organic matter that may have at one moment in time been sentient, conscious, alive.

It now comes to us in the form of crystal, that alone is marvelous and a miracle of nature.

Our ancestors knew the power held deep within the stones of this earth, they arranged them in circles, patterns, buildings and monuments but we have forgotten what they were truly used for.

These people deserve props for trying to remember the wisdom held within stones.

Even if it does seem kind of hoakey

I suspect nothing happened because ultimately they are just shaped crystal .. aside from looking pretty and being great pieces of craftmanship, they aren't much more..

I don't know of any real solid history on the things, I know after reading up on them that in a lot of cases they are known forgeries and that a lot of the mysticism surrounding them is also false.. I remember reading about a number of tests done on one and how it always stayed room temperature regardless of the environment it was in which turned out to be a false claim.. as was every other test it was supposedly subjected to.. They'd even found evidence of machining done to that particular skull where it was claimed otherwise by the owner at the time.. it's for reasons like those that I don't put any weight in the crystal skull legends..

Where did these people get the idea that something would happen when they brought these skulls together anyway? reputable links anyone? I'd be interested in reading more on actual history of these things..

Edit:

In my brief re-research of the topic just after my post.. None of the skulls tested have been proven to be older than the 19th century, each of the skulls tested show that they were created jewlers equipment ( rotary tools ).. the quartz used has only been found in Madagascar and Brazil .. the study concluded that they were manufactured in 19th century Germany, most likely in Idar-Oberstein which was apparently quite well known for crafting items made from imported Brazillian quartz during that time... Even the smithsonian skull was found to be made from the same processes and quartz as the British and Paris skulls ..

None of the remaining skulls in museums come from documented excavations which is odd wouldn't you say? you'd expect at least one would have been .. None of the skulls have shown to be of aztec or pre-columbian origin ..

The most famouse skull, the mitchell-hedges skull, is nearly a replica of the british skull except for a few slight differences .. Mitchell made no mention of this skull in his writings, neither did anyone else who were present at the time of the excavation .. this skull too shows evidence of mechanical grinding and none of the paranormal attributes claimed about the skull has proven to be true.. the very earliest reference to this skull was in 1936 ..

So we have at least four skulls that are almost certainly forgeries and can pretty much be traced to their origin .. we have no documented history, nothing in ancient writings that even talks about these skulls... yes mayans did write about skulls, depict skulls and use skulls in ritual .. but there's no mention of these crystal skulls anywhere ..

Sooo where did all this come from? that is still my underlying question.. where did someone get the idea that when brought together, something would happen?

I was under the impression that these skulls had been debunked. The mitchell skull- The woman changed her story several times.

Someone said they heard that several were fakes.. If by several, you mean 13.. I think you are right.

There was only one and it was stolen over 20 years ago. It was in the Archeological Museum in Mexico City. It was priceless and they had one sleeping guard protecting it. I suspect an inside job. It could not have been copied as it was perfect.

Originally posted by TheResurection
I was under the impression that these skulls had been debunked. The mitchell skull- The woman changed her story several times.

Someone said they heard that several were fakes.. If by several, you mean 13.. I think you are right.

Yeah, many of the skulls tested are modern fakes. They aren't ancient at all.

IRM

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
I have heard the "legend" that there were 13 crystal skulls, but last I heard only like 7-8 were even found.
Am I wrong? When were these others "found"?
Personal opinion: Bunk Bunk Bunk (repeat 10 more times)

edit on 10/11/2010 by Chamberf=6 because: (no reason given)

The number of "real crystal skulls" varies considerably, and as Wikipedia (and thousands of others, including historians and mythologists) point out, there ARE no Mayan/Native American legends of crystal skulls -- at least, none that existed before 1950. en.wikipedia.org...

All the ones currently known seem to be modern (by the way, the artistic style on them indicates that they certainly are NOT Mayan or Aztecan) en.wikipedia.org...

The "event" appears to be a promotion for a CD release: www.pr.com...

What *originally* triggered my skepticism (this was back in the 1970's, when I was very much into New Age things) was someone pointing out that the only "source" for this being real was someone saying that the skull just "showed up" with this story and although it came from an archaeological dig, the woman's father never reported it (it would have made him instantly world-famous and given him a cult-like status) and nobody else did, either.

Originally posted by Byrd
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The number of "real crystal skulls" varies considerably, and as Wikipedia (and thousands of others, including historians and mythologists) point out, there ARE no Mayan/Native American legends of crystal skulls -- at least, none that existed before 1950. en.wikipedia.org...
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While I'm well aware of the fact that most of the crystal skulls are fake, don't they date to at least the late 1800's, i.e. the skulls was fabricated long before the 1950's?

Edit - sorry, I reread your post. I take it you meant that there are no skulls that REALLY originated from South America pre-1950's? I.e. the South Americans saw that Europeans wanted crystal skulls, so they started making them?

Newsflash: Crystallized minerals carved into shapes don't have magic powers. The only thing they do is look pretty and scam people out of money.

I like the Mitchell Hedges skull as a work of art, I'm under the impression that it was carved from a single piece of crystal yet the jaw detaches as a separate element. The amount of skill and care that must've gone into that is what really amazes me. It's all so clean and smooth, much more impressive than the other skulls I've seen.

A long time ago I ran into a guy at a flea market that was selling crystal skulls. I asked him about them and he said he did a lot of carving and one day he felt the urge to carve some skulls, he said he had no prior knowledge of "The Crystal Skulls" until people started asking him about them.

Also, Dan Akroyd's Vodka has a crystal skull for it's bottle, it's neat looking but I hate vodka.

Originally posted by Gaspode
Edit - sorry, I reread your post. I take it you meant that there are no skulls that REALLY originated from South America pre-1950's?

There are a (very) few items that are 'stand alone' skulls from South America and the ones that exist and are genuine are stylistically very different than the famed "crystal skulls". When skulls (art) occurs, it's generally in a decorative context (necklace of a god, etc) and are carved in bas relief and not freestanding. One of the exceptions that I know about (VERY weird object) is a sacrificial knife shown at the bottom of this page:
www.latinamericanstudies.org...

They would decorate skulls, mind you... very unusual looking things:
anthropology.net...

I.e. the South Americans saw that Europeans wanted crystal skulls, so they started making them?

Actually, they're not made in South America (although they may have been within the past 30 years.)

Still to this very day there are things that have happened in the past that are indeed questionable.

The Nazca lines and how ancients knew where the leylines joined are just two examples.

However crafting these skulls doesn't seem to be an easy task and we are not sure on most of their origins.

But who knows who created these wonders, we can only speculate.

I can find no record of the crystal skull that I saw in the museo anthropologico in Mexico. They replaced it with a copy. None of the skulls I have looked at were anything like it. This is strange. I guess the internet does not have any information for me. Anybody else see it?

Originally posted by earthdude
I can find no record of the crystal skull that I saw in the museo anthropologico in Mexico. They replaced it with a copy. None of the skulls I have looked at were anything like it. This is strange. I guess the internet does not have any information for me. Anybody else see it?

They may have removed it because it was a fake.

The Aztecs and Mayans didn't carve freestanding skulls of crystal (for one thing, no crystal that big around there). They *DID* decorate human skulls with jade and turquoise and make some rather creepy-looking eye insets.

Now, post Spanish Conquest times, they do have skulls made out of all sorts of things for El Dia del Muerte... but that's a tradition within the past 300 years. The skull might have been a display of an "ofreda" or other materials associated with the holiday.

Originally posted by Gaspode
While I'm well aware of the fact that most of the crystal skulls are fake, don't they date to at least the late 1800's, i.e. the skulls was fabricated long before the 1950's?

Edit - sorry, I reread your post. I take it you meant that there are no skulls that REALLY originated from South America pre-1950's? I.e. the South Americans saw that Europeans wanted crystal skulls, so they started making them?

No, Byrd is saying the legend about bringing the skulls together originated around then.

Harte

Project Camelot interviews the current owner of the Mitchell Hedges crystal skull:



He also speaks of when the skull was brought together with a Crystal Orb, that the skull turned white and the orb turned gold; even a vague picture in the video where you can kind of see it.

Must have been fakes among those 13 skulls if nothing happened; when the orb and skull were brought together they changed color, claims the guy in the interview.

A must see!