The gaping hole in ancient alien theory

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


Yup the gilgamesh epic , he speaks of being taken into the outer atmosphere in a craft and being able to see the earth from the heavens and described the land and its shape as seen from orbit

reply to post by gncnew


Well, we also don't how the Giza Pyramids were built or who built them. They Egyptians had a written language. In fact, they documented just about everything they could think of in their society ... except their "crowning" achievement: The Pyramids at Giza.

Why, when a society will tell you about the crops they plant, the Gods they worship and the Kingdoms they ruled, would they fail to mention when, how and why they built one of the greatest achievements in ancient times?

Now, let me ask you this: Would Abraham Lincoln be such a "Great Man" today if the Confederate States of America had won the American Civil War? The answer is almost positively, "No". In fact, I doubt that most Americans would look at James Madison, Ben Franklin or Andrew Jackson the same way either.

History is controlled by those that are in power.

In fact, Tutankhaten, later to be known as Tutankhamun - or "King Tut" was nearly lost from all records by Egyptians.

I think a lot of history has been left out on purpose in all honesty. I think this was done to protect man from his self a bit and some to keep certain men out of the loop, maybe for power reasons etc. I also believe that cultures that did not have some type of written language have just been lost over time.

Some things just can not be explained. When you look back at the old days with magic and alchemy etc you know to some degree that it can not all be total bull. In the Bible you can read about the Pharaohs priests duplicating the acts of God in the old testament.

I think our brains are more then capable to do amazing things and at the same time I have no reason to not believe that we could of had some help as well in the past from beings beyond our scope.

As to the OP, that was a great read.

The best way to counter the AA disbelievers is to use their own weapon against them, the bible fairytale. If it is real there are so many UFO and alien being encounters it is unreal.

www.aolnews.com...

I also think the tower of Babel is an excellent story also, and the religous retards think the god is an almighty being LOL??? The god is actually a group of aliens. "Let US create man in OUR own image"...LOL

Originally posted by lifeform11

Originally posted by gncnew
I've read a dozen posts, watched the history channel shows, even bought into some of them for a bit...

But here's the big problem:
Nobody ever finds any evidence of anything saying in plain words: "Being got out of a craft and showed us stuff, then left"

your questions are valid, and nobody know 100% for sure that there were ancient aliens, it is just a possibility based on things from the past that seem 'out of place', looking at those things leads to some people believing that it is a possibility, a hidden pass. i don't think many would say 100% it is fact.

however a lot of your questions have not been thought out, they are valid but you would not be asking them if you actually thought about what the answers could be yourself.

you ask why no straight out word have been found saying "Being got out of a craft and showed us stuff, then left". why would they say that? if an event happened involving something you have no understanding of and have never seen in your life before, and you have no words in your language that accounts for that event or what is seen, then you would most likely compare it to things that are simular using things you do understand and can explain.

how do you think they would explain a car driving pass if they ever saw one? as a beast?, demon? a god? a giant insect? who knows.

i do know it would be very unlikely they would say i saw a car with beings in it and they showed me a spare wheel and a toolbox.

This is true to some extent, but the theory is not that AA's just popped in, and then disappeared. The theory is that they landed, influenced humanity for whatever motives, and now are gone. When the Europeans came to the Americas - the Native Americans had no idea about gun powder, metallurgy, or physics. But they did describe muskets as "fire sticks" that "shot fiery darts" and then drew pictures of those fire sticks and how they killed people. Then they actually started capturing them and learning about them.

This is what I'm talking about... we're seriously trying to say that AA's came here with all the glorious technology that was available to them and primitive man learned how to build impossbile structures from them - but the best they could do to describe them was to carve out a horse headed statue or a 3 inch figure that could either be wearing an elaborate crown OR a "space suit"...

Com' on Man!

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
Noah is the key to your answers,read real close.there is no gap.

Noah, eh? You mean Atrahasis?

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
Greatest wonder in the history of life was when noahs AKA ark,was found..guess who found it?
Germany.

Really now. Do tell.

LOL, I wouldn't go down that rabbit hole. Any time a web forum poster starts claiming to be anything other than a web forum poster like the rest of us... I'm pretty much on "ignore".

I'd hope that someone who was not of this earth, or realm, or plane, or dimension, or whatever... would have a better way to get their message out then on a tinfoil hat website.

Originally posted by MrsBlonde
okay I'm going to say this again

the past was like it now with the human race at different levels of civilization
settled farmers who were able to get a surplus and stayed in one place enabling them to have things like foundries ,and kilns and to write soson and so on

nomadic hunter gathers who had meat hides wool and things like that
but didn't do much in the of finished manufactured goods so the whole time civilization is cranking along there are always these primitives living in isolated or outland places

somewhere in the mix along came some ETs ,they had a kind of wandering nomadic Space culture they just go from planet to planet on a schedule and get resources here and there . They live on their Space Craft get this ,In Space!!!!!that's right their craft is their world if they ever came from anywhere they have forgotten that long ago. They can't live on Earth ! Or any planet any more ,they if they exist are Space Nomad/ Vampires whatever.every body is partly right
they didn't leave a huge footprint because they conned us into giving them whatever it is that they want food, mineral, resources, women so some say , whatever ,they are fully sufficient and can manufacture what ever their quirky culture wants or needs on their armadas of Space Ships,!! Why is that so hard to grasp? They if they exist are not that into us, they have a few specific things that they come here for and that's that. The rest is something called a Cargo Cult which is when a primitive culture comes in contact with wonders outside the capabilities of that cultures Technology and it leaves a huge imprint on the collective mind of that culture to point they develop a kind of wishful thinking religion out of the visitors and their technology.

I think truth is something on these lines not that I know every thread of the time line and emeshment of every life lived .but I think that's the general outline

they are Space living Space Things, and if they exist few if any of us will ever see them they can't just walk around on the Planet willy nilly if I read the fragments of ancient and current accounts of them correctly

You're seriously just making this thing up and then looking for evidence to back it up. This isn't a conclusion that you're led to by the evidence.

This is like me saying "John Smith shot JFK - I know it" and then saying "John always like the grassy knoll and was an expert shot - duh! case closed".

Originally posted by thektotheg
Not a single "point" you raised was worth me reading the rest of this thread. You also clearly contradicted yourself by saying how ludicrous you think it is that we could know so much and yet have such glaring misinterpretations of the meanings, symbols, and languages...and then you go on to use the exact same excuse (this time, because it helps YOUR argument) you just shot down a paragraph before, when you basically and rather lamely say "well how do we know what tools they had?" None of this is the least bit intriguing or even interesting. The fact that you got S&F's for this makes me want to throw my computer out the window.

It was a complete waste of time, with nothing compelling in the OP. Believe what you want, but when you've actually done the reading, research, and decided to turn on your Logic Meter, the AA theory is the only one that holds any water whatsoever.

Close minded assurance much?

Originally posted by CHA0S
I was expecting this thread to pop up any time...ok, lets get into it.

But here's the big problem:
Nobody ever finds any evidence of anything saying in plain words: "Being got out of a craft and showed us stuff, then left"

Ah, the old "I demand conclusive proof" tactic I see, a typical approach. I don't think it's worth wasting my breath on addressing this.

Nope, they were just poor dumb clucks that were making the best out of what they saw... it never occurred to them to ask a question like "where ya'll from?" or "how'd you get here?"

I'm sure there were those who did ask questions. But you seriously can't see how an advanced interstellar race could be misinterpreted as Gods thousands of years ago? *raises eyebrow* People don't even need to actually see these God-like beings anymore, just a book and some faith. And you're telling me you can't picture man thousands of years ago misinterpreting an alien visitation as Gods coming from the heavens?

There may actually be techniques and technologies that have long since been forgotten and never relearned.

That would completely defy and undermine mainstream science. According to science we "know" exactly what the Egyptians had available to them and what tools they might have used. That's why the mainstream theories on how they built the pyramids are completely bogus. Of course we don't know everything about how they and other structures were built and what tools were used.

the AA's where so advanced they were able to come here and develop entire societies in their image... but not advanced enough for themselves or what they built to last?

You're making all sorts of assumptions here. Who said they came here and developed entire societies? Who said they built a bunch of stuff that would last ages, besides the great pyramid? Who said they themselves didn't "last"?

the AA's were thought of as gods instead of aliens... but all the images of "gods" are either people or different animals.... so being around the AA's is like going the NY zoo? Just all kinds of different fun stuff happening and lucky for us it's all like creatures found on earth? Wow...

No...that's just another one of your assumptions...no one is saying is was like a zoo back then, with all their hybrid mythology actually being real. However, if the AA theory is correct, it can't be completely ruled out that Alien hybrids did exist back then can it?

the AA's where able to come to earth, show people how to build things - for whatever reason - dwell here for an indefinite amount of time - then mysteriously vanish... but we've got NOTHING from them? Just some stones that "couldn't" be cut by tools of the times and some little figures that look "a whole lot" like space suits?

And many other things. That's a rather quick summary of the evidence you've done there sir. And I wouldn't say some of these stones "couldn't" be cut and designed in the way some are with what tools they had back then, but we mustn't forget Occam's Razor which you are so intent on using as if Aliens represent a magical and fantastical element to any theory.

WTF are AA's doing wearing space suits? Enviro suits or breathing apparatus - sure... space suits? News Flash: Earth is NOT space... not a vacuum, and thus no need for the space suit. And what's up with the figures that are "not" in space suits?

Hmmm...maybe they wear space suits because they came from space? Who said they wore the suits all the time? And if they couldn't breathe in Earths atmosphere, why waste time making environment suits if their present suits could already do the job. Would our astronauts bring back-up suits or breathing gear for a specific planet or moon they may be travelling to?

Could horse looking AA's live outside of suits but the "snake" ones couldn't? What about the "bull" AA's? Or the "Greys"..... and why no humans in space suits? They'll show us how to build temples but not ships or other vehicles and things of actual "use"? *yawn

It's not very smart to go giving a primitive species advanced flight or space travel technology, that's just a ridiculous comment. And that whole criticism if built from your two other assumptions about what they look like and what they wear.

We dont know what the hell was going on back then, and it bugs the crap out of our "smart" people that these bumbling cave men may have figured out how to do stuff we still can't do today.

Exactly.

I mean seriously... we'll put our trust in the hand size figure made of stone as "proof" but not demand that someone show me a chunk of space ship? An actual piece of space faring vessel?

People make that silly demand all the time. And no one is putting a whole lot of trust into one figure made of stone.

... this whole theory just sounds cool - but it's got no legs... very "paper tiger" if you will.

Well lets just wait until I've finished my whole "Ancient Anomalies and Aliens" series, then we'll see how legless it is.

But something on this scale to only be left behind by the minutia of evidence defies any kind of serious scientific approach.

A minutia of evidence? That proclamation proves your entire opening statement is false, you haven't done nearly as much research into this as you claim.

reply to post by Pauligirl

 

Exactly. The mainstream stuff is no fun cause it doesn't have aliens. It's just real people doing real things and we know how boring that is.

"Real" things? I guess if we travelled to another planet with intelligent beings and stopped by to say hello or something, to the people on that planet we aren't real? Perhaps it is the other way around, alien stuff is no fun to mainstream science because it contradicts and invalidates a lot of what we think we know. In fact, it's just magical crack-pottery isn't it? No need to take a second look down that avenue...Humans did it all.

edit on 12/10/10 by CHA0S because: (no reason given)

I'm actually glad you showed up. You were the "muse" of my post...

You quote 17th century art as evidence of aliens.. but these guys were just about to hit the industrial age - and books were common then. Why do we have nothing but subjective interpretations of art from that time frame as "evidence"?

And I've read your threads, other threads, watched shows... Look I get it - it's a cool idea.

It definitely helps make some things fit into a clearer picture - but that doesnt make it the truth.

I'm proposing that modern science has no clue what so ever as to exactly what the Egyptians had. They know only what they can find remnants of. But finding a single hieroglyph that "kinda" looks like a space ship - or a kids toy that was like a bird (Da Vinci must have been an Alien!) does not a AA make.

We say it's a space ship figure... man it's freakin' bird. My 4 year old drew birds like that... guess what - I'm not an Alien.

ROFL - a guy with a big head and eyes must be a "grey"... did you ever read any of the ancient epics... Medusa had snake hair - was she an AA too?

What about Gilgamesh? AA?

As a matter of fact... I think you're right - Mona Lisa - clearly an Alien. No human can look at you from all angles like that....

Originally posted by BigfootNZ
Hmm havent read all the posts but its funny how the idea that the ancient aliens were in fact 'us' as in modern man, rather than some big eyed alien that fiddled with our evolution hardly ever gets mentioned. ie for all we know earth was or is a lost colony of some space faring humanity (yes thats all very Battle Star Galactica but the idea was around decades before even the first series of that show aired).

Its one theory i personally subscribe to, we werent made by aliens... we ARE the aliens. Given how the time line and evolutionary appearance for modern humans keeps getting pushed back 10's of thousands of years every few number of years with new discoveries its personally possible in my mind...

You then have some of those archaeological oddities no one likes to talk about (or that get used as examples by the bible based young earthers. I have no problem with young earthers I suscribe to that myself but NOT the super young earthers who try to link the entire time period into the bible time frame) items such as the rust proof fossilized pick hammer found buried in rock that would put it hundreds of thousands of years back. The fossilized human finger dermal ridges and bones visible within on X-Rays, the Paluxy footprints (granted who ever made them was not a normal human but giant-sized but the foot prints are basically human)... the ancient set of stone tools found encased in a coal seam or the numerous metal spheres with equatorial grooves and a single depression in one hemisphere that were found and were dated at being from a time before life even existed on the planet.

Theres quite a bit of evidence to say or at least cast a good bit of suspicion on what we get feed as 'ancient history and human origin' the mainstream view is all very pick and mix and anything that doesnt follow the status quot gets ignored, suppressed or buried (literally right after its found)... its unfortunate the study of it and the crusade for getting to the truth has all been high-jacked by alien new agers, and bible thumpers.

Thats my view of it anyway... the evidence either way is there you just wont ever get to see it.

I can swallow this more than I can swallow the AA theory.

There is a definitive and clear case for the assertion that there's some funky stuff in Humanity's past that we simply are just guessing about.

But the theory it was aliens is really stringing together some junk to fit somebody's goofy theory.

There are no gaping holes in ancient alien theory.

1ST Statement: "Being got out of a craft and showed us stuff, then left"

Reply: Before the ancient sumerians, there was not any known written expression of words, on drawn expression through 'pictographs'. Pictograph art just get to some basic points because that form of 'expression' didn't have the ability for details. And to think that the ancients just decieded to drawn people with helmets on their heads with no known point of reference is silly. They drew what they saw.

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2nd Statement: "This is what I've seen as the excuse we have no real "evidence" other than conjecture and speculation"

Reply: Lets say there was a mom & dad who where parents that got murdered. The murderer left the house & overlooked a child that was in hiding. Then the police arrive & find the child. The cops ask the child to tell them what happened, but the child is in shock and can't talk. So they give the child a piece of paper & crayons. The cops ask her to draw the person or persons who did the crime. So the child does & draws stick figures consisting of a scary man figure holding a gun shoting bullets at two other stick figures that look like a man & women representing the parents. NOW, does this mean that the drawing is speculation? DOES this mean the drawing is conjecture? NO, of course not. The drawing is the childs way of expressing what was seen through the childs eyes & the drawing represents something that happend.

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3rd Statement: "Really? So we understand enough of the ancient languages to figure out how they fed their animals, irrigated their farms, raised their kids, and governed their people... but this one little bit is just too hard to glean?"

Reply: The Sumerians cuneiform text did describe UFO's & Aliens, along with their behaviors.
In the Vedic literature of India, there are many descriptions of flying machines that are generally called Vimanas. Most ancient cultures around the EARTH who did NOT have known contact with each other & where thousands of miles apart from one another, all describe beings that came down from the Heavens to Earth. Not meteors, not bird poop, not someone on a giant kite. This was done though both story telling & text.

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4th Statement: “They didn't understand science like we do... never mind the complex and insanely accurate astronomic observatories - these cats new the earth was round and we revolved around the sun WAY before the Catholic Church was burning people for such accusations. Never mind that these guys figured out metallurgy and brain surgery - talk about some seriously advanced stuff. Nope, they were just poor dumb clucks that were making the best out of what they saw... it never occurred to them to ask a question like "where ya'll from?" or "how'd you get here?"

Reply: You say this as though every member of ancient society knew about astronomic observations, the world being a sphere, the Earth revolving around the sun, metallurgy & brain surgery. No, that is not the case. The majority where common folk & did ask things & describe things in common ways. No one cay say that the Star gazers & the brain surgeons in those ancient times where the ones who ran into the UFO's & Aliens. Just walk up to any person today on the street or in a store and ask them to describe how to abstract ore from rock, what temp to smelt it, how to purify it & how to make molds to pore molten metal into for making various forms like swords. Ask that person how to preform a brain surgery. Chances are, unless your lucky enough to run into a Blacksmith or Brain surgeon, your going to get dumb founded looks. And that is with today advance society, knowledge & technology in play. And don't forget, most people in ancient times could not read or write.

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5th Statement : “We point to a couple of things and say "no way they did that with the tools they had" but we forget that there are some distinct possibilities here that are overlooked: 1.) We don't know all the tools and methods they had... we only know the most primitive tools that have lasted through the years. You think a laser drill would last a couple thousand years in the ground? 2.) Believe it or not - we don't know everything about everything. There may actually be techniques and technologies that have long since been forgotten and never relearned.”

Reply: Some truth to that statement, however there are to many examples of above & beyond man's means to do many things. Examples...
The Megaliths of Europe. In Europe alone there are over 3,000 Megaliths scattered from the West coast of Spain into Russia. Many of the Megaliths have upright 20 ton rectangular blocks holding up as a roof 80 ton blocks. Really, how did they do that? If you took 200 men that could each lift an average of 200 pounds above there heads, you still couldn't do it. One because the 80 ton stone is 160,000 pounds. 200 men lifting 200 pounds each is only 40,000 pounds. Second because you could not get 200 men around the blocks to lift it. The first 60 to 80 would be shoulder to shoulder with others trying to reach over them to grab a chunk of rock. Many advanced structures & works such as the Nazca Lines can not be explained other then with a high altitude view.

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6th Statement: “the AA's where so advanced they were able to come here and develop entire societies in their image... but not advanced enough for themselves or what they built to last?”

Reply: This one is simple. When modern man goes into a many parts of Africa & meet with tribes living in straw huts, we show them how to build more modern looking & stronger structures using mud & straw bricks made from the surrounding area. Man doesn't always go to areas with building supply from Home Depo in hand, they use what surrounding materials are available.
And once man is done showing the tribes how to build modern & better, they don't always stick around. They move on or go home.

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7th Statement: “the AA's were thought of as gods instead of aliens... but all the images of "gods" are either people or different animals.... so being around the AA's is like going the NY zoo? Just all kinds of different fun stuff happening and lucky for us it's all like creatures found on earth? Wow.”

Reply: This is a egg before the chicken type argument. Ancient Sumerian stories tell of the aliens having created us in clay vessels originally as slaves to replace their revolting labor force. The Bible states that God created us in his own image. So yes, most likely we were created one way or the other in a somewhat form similar to the aliens (Gods) This being said, there was most likely other variations of DNA splicing. To many world wide ancient cultures & legends speak of & have pictures of half man & half beast type beings. Pan the Greek god was half man & half goat. The Minotaur (King Mino's Bull) was half man & half bull. The Hindu tales of the Naga was half man & half serpent. So on & so forth. There is nothing to say those creatures where not freaks of nature or DNA experiments, who by the way, may have been created on purpose to preform certain functions with their physical states. To back this up, below is a link to a real story, not fact, very real, of a Sheep Gives Birth to Human-Faced Lamb in Turkey. With picture.
english.pravda.ru...

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8th Statement: “the AA's where able to come to earth, show people how to build things - for whatever reason - dwell here for an indefinite amount of time - then mysteriously vanish... but we've got NOTHING from them? Just some stones that "couldn't" be cut by tools of the times and some little figures that look "a whole lot" like space suits?”

Reply: This goes back to the reply I made earlier about man going to tribes & showing them things, but not staying permanently. Man does not leave his guns & expensive tools laying around or behind with the natives. Also consider that space suit may have been a necessity for the aliens to be able to survive in Earth atmosphere. No one said that they could breath our air.

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9th Statement: WTF are AA's doing wearing space suits? Enviro suits or breathing apparatus - sure... space suits? News Flash: Earth is NOT space... not a vacuum, and thus no need for the space suit. And what's up with the figures that are "not" in space suits? Could horse looking AA's live outside of suits but the "snake" ones couldn't? What about the "bull" AA's? Or the "Greys"..... and why no humans in space suits? They'll show us how to build temples but not ships or other vehicles and things of actual "use"? *yawn

Reply: Wow-Do you think we need space suits on the Moon or would on Mars? It has already be prove that life here on Earth breaths different forms of gasses to live. Heck, fish can't survive out of water, they suffocate. Humans can't breath under water, we drown. Humans can't breath Martian air because it is only 0.13% oxygen, 2.7% Nitrogen, 95% Carbon dioxide & consist of other various gases. (So where told). It is very easy to think that aliens from another world or even another dimension don't always breath oxygen. Earth atmosphere is 21 percent oxygen. The no one to say that the aliens need 50% oxygen to breath or 90& carbon to breath or what ever. Regardless, they obviously needed something else.
Just on Earth, in the deep ocean there is fish & plant life thriving around hydrothermal vents. A hydrothermal vent is a fissure in a planet's surface from which geothermally heated water issues. Those fish & plant were not near those vents, they would die trying to live outside those areas in other parts of the waters. So yes it is believable that Aliens needs helmets.


I tend to consider not only the given evidence, but other reasons why that evidence exist and other things it could mean. There are many people of this world that are close minded and can not except other truths other then what they have been taught. People are like computers, they can be program since their beginnings to only except what has been written for them. People like computers have firewalls that do not allow different information to come in because it views it as an attacker on it's current software. The people like the computers with their pre-programing and mind set firewalls tend to be a Doubting Thomas & Trolls on forums. There is no statements or evidence on this post that abolishes UFO's & Aliens. They are real, they have been here in the past, they have influenced humanity and they are still around us in the Earth, on the Earth and above the Earth, and don't let anyone tell you different.

THANKS FOR PLAYING

Originally posted by adigregorio
reply to post by CHA0S

 

I wondered when you would pop in here.

I tried, several times, to discuss this posters thread. (The Anti version of this one.)

I had two theories that would account for both the "Helicopter Hieroglyph" AND "Renaissance UFO's"

Of course, as I suspected, I was tossed aside in favor of the magic.

Glad to see you tossing this thread aside too:

Originally posted by CHA0S
...I don't think it's worth wasting my breath on addressing this.

Funny, pretty much the same thing you said to my constructive and researched opinions on your thread.

I wish I could take my star back. Though I lied when I said I gave you a flag, since your thread didn't have much research. Just cut and paste images + the text from the source.

Great job!

Again, I rhetorically ask, what happened to discussion around here? Why are plausible ideas shot down in favor of "magic ones"?

I personally don't discount the "magic" of things. I would even be more open to a theory that ancient humanity was much more in-tune with the potential of metaphysics and parapsychology and psychical theories than dippy aliens.

Originally posted by Giovannetti44
reply to post by gncnew

 

You have many questions and i don't have the will to answer all of them. So ill just shed light on the "gaping hole" in your thread.
you say-"But here's the big problem:
Nobody ever finds any evidence of anything saying in plain words: "Being got out of a craft and showed us stuff, then left""
This is just common sense man, you seriously think our ancestors who didn't have the wheel, or just bearly obtained it would really know what an aircraft is? They would not have the slightest clue how a being could fly, as that was reserved for their GODS. So that's why they could not write that down for you.
Just look at it this way, if i went back in time with something a simple as a flashlight, i would probably be regarded as 'the bringer of light' and have a holy stature. These guys had ships capable of interstellar flight.
This is all assuming the AAT is correct, and you know no better than i do. But as for the rest of these questions you have, watch Ancient Aliens again and pay attention this time.
I can't prove the ancient astronaut theory and you can't disprove it.

So how did the Native Americans describe muskets? See above - I already answered that.

Oh, how did the Gauls describe chariots? What about Romans describing elephants?

We SERIOUSLY have enough evidence in researching history to know that humans may call it "gods" at first - but we're simply too curious and meticulous to just leave it at that.

reply to post by gncnew

You think a laser drill would last a couple thousand years in the ground?

Erm, yes.

My personal thoughts on this are that there is indisputable evidence that the ancients were visited by advanced beings (extraterrestrial/extradimensional), and that many of their interactions were recorded as religious experiences.

Would it be odd to consider that the appearance of angels to Daniel and other Biblical prophets might be a spiritually ascended race of beings, working for God as His emissaries? Or aliens with a special message to impart, a message of salvation from the power of the evil ones in control of earth?

I think that the fallen angels of myth are likely to be the ones who literally dwelt amongst us as overlords, an 'alien' species who declared themselves gods (the sin of pride) and who used technologies so far in advance of our own that we can only now begin to fathom how they operated. As in, their computer hard drives could well have been crystals, their means of transportation could have been set around the manipulation of space-time, they could have used sonic engineering methods to carve and move huge stone blocks. I don't deny that humans mirrored these building techniques wherever their ingenuity could find a way to do so, but I don't believe all ancient megalithic architecture was designed and built by humanity. There is no point in speculating that we will find a computer chip or a plastic bottle as evidence that they were here. They likely were so advanced that they kept their numbers low, and their power absolute. They controlled what people saw of them, they controlled their equipment and destroyed all evidence of their presence after they 'left' (went underground).

Whatever little remained as evidence has been swept up by the Vatican and various government agencies over the centuries, and many people are now in gainful employment for those same agencies, working hard to ensure that the subject is kept out of mainstream thought until such a time as the NWO (in league with the demonic overlords) decide that it's time to unleash Satanic forces of darkness, to beat humanity into submission. The NWO will believe it's a controllable depopulation exercise - they won't realise the overlords are aiming to sacrifice an entire world to Satan himself.

That'll be the armageddon described in Revelations then.. Anyone planning on taking a trip away from Earth any time soon - could you give me a lift? I have a feeling it's going to get pretty damn scary, pretty damn soon.

Wow - this thread has been well and truly 'owned' by sceptics!

I guess there's a few voices crying out in the wilderness, but the agenda marches on regardless.

See ya later folks.

Originally posted by miniatus
When it comes to ancient drawings and writings .. certain things dealing with planting crops and day to day life are easy to understand.. it's the things that go along with those seemingly mundane day to day activities that makes you wonder.

You have ancient cultures drawing images of hunting and other activities we know of that are nothing unique or interesting, but then in similar drawings you have strange beings and craft .. if the drawings depicting normal every day life are to be believed then why not these unexplained items? I think that is where they gain a little bit more traction..

As to what they are? who knows if they are ancient alien beings.. but the fact they believed them to be Gods or something doesn't make them morons .. this kind of thing still happens to this day .. ever heard the term "Cargo Cult"? .. it's very interesting indeed ..

en.wikipedia.org...

Here's a snippet:

A cargo cult is a religious practice that has appeared in many traditional tribal societies in the wake of interaction with technologically advanced cultures. The cults focus on obtaining the material wealth (the "cargo") of the advanced culture through magic and religious rituals and practices. Cult members believe that the wealth was intended for them by their deities and ancestors. Cargo cults developed primarily in remote parts of New Guinea and other Melanesian and Micronesian societies in the southwest Pacific Ocean, beginning with the first significant arrivals of Westerners in the 19th century. Similar behaviors have, however, also appeared elsewhere in the world.

I believe it comes down to two possibilities..

1. They saw something they couldn't explain, depicted it and it became part of their culture

2. They couldn't explain with their knowledge where life came from, why crops grew ( and sometimes did not ), so they filled in the gaps with imagination.. much like the birth of most creation myths..

There really isn't a lot of "mundane stories" that suddenly just have some space craft intertwined with them. I personally think that AA's would have had enough of an impact to actually get a whole cave wall devoted to them, or even a whole hieroglyph in the temples?

But no - we're supposed to believe the story reads like this:

"So we used a hoe to cut the earth up and then put some seeds in, then we milked the cows - oh! and a site note: gods came down today and asked us to build the biggest structure of all time with a really cool laser drill - but anyways, then we cut the chickens up and deep fried them in our clay pots...."

again:
Com' on Man!

Originally posted by Krummar
1ST Statement: "Being got out of a craft and showed us stuff, then left"

Reply: ...And to think that the ancients just decieded to drawn people with helmets on their heads with no known point of reference is silly. They drew what they saw.

How do you know what they say was an astronaut? Just because YOU think it looks like one?

Originally posted by Krummar
2nd Statement: "This is what I've seen as the excuse we have no real "evidence" other than conjecture and speculation"

Reply: Lets say there was a mom & dad who where parents that got murdered...

Straw men burn so well because they are made of straw.

con·jec·ture
   /kənˈdʒɛktʃər/ Show Spelled [kuhn-jek-cher] Show IPA noun, verb, -tured, -tur·ing.
–noun
1.the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.
2.an opinion or theory so formed or expressed; guess; speculation.
3.Obsolete . the interpretation of signs or omens.

dictionary.reference.com...

Where is the proof?

Originally posted by Krummar
3rd Statement: "Really? So we understand enough of the ancient languages to figure out how they ... but this one little bit is just too hard to glean?"

Reply: The Sumerians cuneiform text did describe UFO's & Aliens...Vedic literature of India,...flying machines that are generally called Vimanas....

Care to show where it says these are ALIEN SPACECRAFT and not vehicals of the "gods".

And if you can't do that, how is it not CONJECTURE/SPECULATION?

Originally posted by Krummar
5th Statement : “We point to a couple of things and say "no way they did that with the tools they had" but we forget that there are some distinct possibilities here that are overlooked: 1.) We don't know all the tools and methods they had... 2.) Believe it or not - we don't know everything about everything. There may actually be techniques and technologies that have long since been forgotten and never relearned.”

Reply: (Insert speculation and conjecture)

I think that says all it needs to, or do I need to go into detail?

Originally posted by Krummar
6th Statement: “the AA's where so advanced they were able to come here and develop entire societies in their image... but not advanced enough for themselves or what they built to last?”

Reply: This one is simple. When modern man goes into a many parts of Africa & meet with tribes living in straw huts, we show them how to build more modern looking & stronger structures using mud & straw bricks made from the surrounding area. Man doesn't always go to areas with building supply from Home Depo in hand, they use what surrounding materials are available...

Woah there! Like you said, man doesn't ALWAYS go to... but he does. Those "AAs" (so far) have NEVER done so.

Originally posted by Krummar
7th Statement: “the AA's were thought of as gods instead of aliens... but all the images of "gods" are either people or different animals.... so being around the AA's is like going the NY zoo?...

Reply: This is a egg before the chicken type argument...

You then go on to talk about STORIES. (Conjecture and speculation)

Originally posted by Krummar
8th Statement: “the AA's where able to come to earth, show people how to build things - for whatever reason - dwell here for an indefinite amount of time - then mysteriously vanish... but we've got NOTHING from them?...

Reply: This goes back to the reply I made earlier about man going to tribes & showing them things, but not staying permanently. Man does not leave his guns & expensive tools laying around or behind with the natives. Also consider that space suit may have been a necessity for the aliens to be able to survive in Earth atmosphere. No one said that they could breath our air.

No one said they were here either. You keep forgetting that part.

And do you know why we don't know if they can breath our atmosphere? Because our "evidence" is based off of SPECULATION and CONJECTURE.

Originally posted by Krummar
I tend to consider not only the given evidence, but other reasons why that evidence exist and other things it could mean.

You could have fooled me!

Though have a look at the posts I have refuting the AA in the art and hieroglyph. Take a look at that existing evidence, let me know why it is "wrong". Specifics please!

Originally posted by Krummar
There are many people of this world that are close minded and can not except other truths other then what they have been taught.

Hmm projection again? Seems to be a common theme around here.

Originally posted by Krummar
People are like computers...

Speculation, and or conjecture...

Originally posted by Krummar
The people like the computers with their pre-programing and mind set firewalls tend to be a Doubting Thomas & Trolls on forums.

Error, error NOMAD ERROR! Oh and thanks for the insult!

Originally posted by Krummar
There is no statements or evidence on this post that abolishes UFO's & Aliens.

None that prove them either

Originally posted by Krummar
They are real, they have been here in the past...

Proof?

Originally posted by Krummar
THANKS FOR PLAYING

You're welcome, I had a blast!

Originally posted by notsoperfect
reply to post by gncnew

 

The OP has a narrow point of view that all the living organisms in the universe should breath Oxygen.

The Pyramids( the main three of them) depite their collosal mass stay stable without sinking into the ground which even the most advanced modern architectural technology can not do.

The Sun looks like rotating around the earth if you don't think deeply.

Ego centric view does not allow you to understand the cosmic mystery at all. You simply remain ignorant.

Oh Yea, I heard that there is a "flat earth society" to this day. What a *$%^#$ !

Um, you have no idea what views of aliens and possible life out there is... I said they've got no images of them in anything but "space suits"...

And what on earth was the other gibberish you tried to put there? Are you seriously trying to say that someone who thinks the AA theory is junk is equivalent to people who believe in a flat earth?

This isn't about egocentric. This is about common sense. You are inventing realities to fit your dreams. You're pushing facts around to coincide with imagination. That's not science... it's science fiction at best.

I am a healthy skeptic open to the possibility to many things with proper evidence submitted. I have not seen anything solid to make the ancient astronaut theory a sure thing. However, I find it very interesting just the same. I think there is a great deal of conjecture and presumption but it poses many questions and some very cool things to think about overall. One thing I do believe is that ancients were far more advanced than we can prove to date. Maybe not as advanced as many may speculate but that's what's so cool about the ancient astronaut theory. It really let's one wonder and see things in many perspectives.

I think that anytime something that is posed to us where we can weigh both logic and fantasy it can bring us about to a point of real possibilities. I don't believe in the ancient astronaut theory but it has made me much more curious about our ancient ancestors and history for sure and that's a great thing. To search for truth is bliss for me.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Sorry OP I have to disagree. Right of the top of my head I can think of a couple instances where humans wrote or spoke about being taken into outer space "the heavens" or detailed experiences of out of this world visitations. The major one that comes to mind is the book of Enoch I will provide a link for a PDF of the book. It is a book about Noah's grandfather or perhaps his great grandfather. He explains viewing the earth and other planetary objects from outside the atmosphere. This book is not included in the regular mainstream bible of today but was derived from the dead sea scrolls. There are also a few references to Enoch in several books of the bible. I believe Genesis is the most detailed mention of Enoch. The link is www.hermetics.org.... I am sure that most of you who are familiar in the ancient alien phenomena are aware of this but I figured I should share this with the OP because this actually goes one step beyond aliens coming out of their ship and showing us stuff, but actually depicts a human being taken out of this earth on a spaceship well before the science fiction movies of today. His description is rather detailed and in my opinion and the only explanation could be going for a ride in a UFO. There are also many ancient civilizations who depict "gods" who showed them stuff. Some North, Central, and South American native tribes talk about beings from the stars who shared knowledge and life with their ancestors. I believe the same applies to some Australian, Middle Eastern, and East Asian cultures who explain in great detail about other beings sharing knowledge with their ancestors. Some of these beings were also detailed as being sinister. I see that the OP mentioned the ancient aliens show and that he is familiar with it. If he paid attention to the show he would see that all what I have just explained was also mentioned in the series. Of course I have no proof and these are only my opinions based on research I have done and information I have come across during my studies. Maybe one day soon we will have all this explained to us. Wouldn't that be great!!

And Revelations does the same thing. Spiritual realms are aliens are two different monsters. And either we take the Bible for a factual book describing factual things - which means you take all of it and it's actual message - or we discard it as fanciful myth.

But we can't take the Bible and pick out parts that fit our fantastic ideas but toss out the parts that put it into perspective for an actual message.

I can't take the book the Great Gatsby and read one chapter and then say - see there is proof that Gatsby was very happy, he was sitting on the swing on a sunny day!