DNA Evidence Can Be Fabricated, Scientists Show...DNA Evidence Like on 9/11? Yup.

With the trusters constantly pounding truthers with "What about the DNA evidence at the Pentagon of the passengers...?", people need to see this article from back in 2009 that seemed to escape the pages of ATS (did not show in search results). And it was in the New York Times, no less.

Scientists in Israel have demonstrated that it is possible to fabricate DNA evidence, undermining the credibility of what has been considered the gold standard of proof in criminal cases.

The scientists fabricated blood and saliva samples containing DNA from a person other than the donor of the blood and saliva. They also showed that if they had access to a DNA profile in a database, they could construct a sample of DNA to match that profile without obtaining any tissue from that person.

“You can just engineer a crime scene,” said Dan Frumkin, lead author of the paper, which has been published online by the journal Forensic Science International: Genetics. “Any biology undergraduate could perform this.”

Dr. Frumkin is a founder of Nucleix, a company based in Tel Aviv that has developed a test to distinguish real DNA samples from fake ones that it hopes to sell to forensics laboratories.

The planting of fabricated DNA evidence at a crime scene is only one implication of the findings. A potential invasion of personal privacy is another.

www.nytimes.com...

Now why am I not surprised this came from Israeli scientists? Anyone catching my drift? ALL EVIDENCE LINKING ISRAEL TO 9/11 IS CLASSIFIED.

But the bigger point is here that we have long suspected planted evidence at the crimes scenes of 9/11. And the DNA evidence can be a part of that as well, as this NYT article shows.

Like planting of evidence is so far-fetched, making truthers out to be some wackos? Evidence planting has been used for ages by corrupt law enforcement. The wicked stop at nothing to trap/kill their prey.

So no, it is not that far-fetched to imagine that DNA evidence could have been planted/falsified to further the Official Story agenda/coverup. The last vestige of truster sanctuary is pronounced dead at the scene.

YES, THE DNA EVIDENCE COULD HAVE BEEN PLANTED.

And oh, almost forgot- thread at CIT forums on this- MUST SEE:
z3.invisionfree.com...

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Great fabricate evidence so my guess they had the technology to do that like 15-20 years ago

I don't know if you guys are catching this, but this is a critical comment at CIT's forum:

So, in the weeks before the FBI took exclusive control of the retrieval of remains, mainly Pentagon victims were identified and coincidentally we start seeing more ´success´on the passenger remains.
They had a 99% success rate extracting DNA from ´fragments/tissue´ from the scene which had burned for 3 days, been contaminated with highly toxic smoke which also damages DNA through a process of mutation caused by said toxins.

Radiologists tell us that DNA may be disfigured by heat and cross-contamination.
They identify the Pentagon victims first and when the FBI is left to its own devices the passengers are identified.

And NOW we discover that DNA can be falsified. How long have they had this technology/method?
It doesn´t take the WHOLE of the FBI to be involved which detractors repeat over and over. The planted evidence can be carried in a briefcase containing vials of this manufactured blood or tissue by one or two operatives.

It´s speculation on the actual method but very possible.
Given that no plane could have hit the building from NoC it is very probable.

Here's my question...

Why fabricate physical evidence when you're the entity generating the actual report? It's a whole lot easier, efficient, and streamlined to just lie, rather than to go to great lengths to create artificial evidence. It's not like the government couldn't have just said "Yeah, we've got DNA. But it's evidence from the biggest crime in history so nobody else can mess with it."

Faking genetic evidence just seems superfluous to me.

~Heff

Wow, you guys will just try and use any excuse won't you?

I find it quite offensive that you're so willing to believe that hundreds of people lied or were involved in a coverup, just because if they weren't, you would be wrong.

Sacrifice your egos for a moment, read the actual evidence and accept reality, rather than denying it with any tiny scraps of fact you can find 9 years later.

Originally posted by Hefficide
Faking genetic evidence just seems superfluous to me.

Yeah, but for that matter you could argue that all of 9/11 was superfluous. If it was terrorists that did it as the OS claims, why not just poison our water supply and be done with it. What's with "hijacking planes" and slamming them into buildings? I mean Christ, the whole thing is like something out of a bad sci-fi movie.

In fact, the only previous evidence of such a scheme comes from within our own government's imaginations themselves. To the point that they were conducting war games with that very theme, the very same day. Just a little odd, no?

Ive long suspected that DNA could be fabricated. This has massive implications for future criminal trails. Whats to stop defendants from saying that there DNA has been fabricated and planted at the scene. The police would have a hard time proving it had'nt if this was the only evidence they had to go on.

I think governments have known about this for a long time and sat on it for obvious reasons. For those times when they need a fall guy. Good find.

reply to post by Hefficide


I guess it would leave a better trail for subsequent investigators, who may not be in on "it" , to look at and agree with the conclusions drawn by the initial team.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Even if this article is 100% accurate and applicable to 2001 it is still apples and oranges. Nobody was concerned at the crash sites with examining cigarette butts for saliva or looking for blood smears, as you might in a domestic murder, because they were busy recovering actual human body parts. Limbs, organs, bones.

Even at Shanksville, the site with least casualties, some 600 lbs of body parts were recovered. And this is an example of what was found in the Pentagon :-

www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

When you can demonstrate that :-

(a) human body parts can be manufactured and be impregnated with someone else's dna.

(b) the perps could have obtained sample dna beforehand of the victims.

(c) the perps knew beforehand who was going to miss their flight , get on last minute and have the appropriate dna sample ready.

Please get back to me.

The more you look at the "faking dna" theory the more preposterous and pointless it becomes.

reply to post by Alfie1


Thank you for having some common sense.

This was brought up a year ago as well. This is the typical truther behavior. Keep regurgitating the same old tired theory with ZERO evidence. I challenge ONE truther to go up to any of the members of DMORT and accuse them of such a cover up.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


I knew this thread looked familiar lol. I authored a thread last year on this same article.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe you can bring further awareness to the possibilities.

reply to post by Six Sigma


Honestly, the entire point of ATS is to theorize and discuss conspiracy topics. Trying to demean people to not discuss something because it is repeated from a previous year is counter to the purpose of arriving at the truth. The OP has a theory, if you do not agree say so. As someone who authored that thread you refer to a year ago, I give him permission to expand on it. Like he needs your or my permission to do so.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto

Honestly, the entire point of ATS is to theorize and discuss conspiracy topics. Trying to demean people to not discuss something because it is repeated from a previous year is counter to the purpose of arriving at the truth. The OP has a theory, if you do not agree say so. As someone who authored that thread you refer to a year ago, I give him permission to expand on it. Like he needs your or my permission to do so.

There is nothing wrong with theorizing, just base it off some facts. This OP and your OP both lack it. As usual, along with facts, you are missing evidence.

It's possible that Alex Jones organised 9/11.

But just because something is possible doesn't mean it happened. And in this case it seems pretty unlikely that the DNA was fabricated. There would be much easier ways to cover it up, surely? Just say none of it survived, for example, or that it was corrupted.

The notion that the hundreds of people involved in the DNA collection, custody and analysis procedures were in on it is an implausible notion. And once again it expands the numbers you would need to be complicit.

reply to post by Six Sigma


For having a name such as Six Sigma, you surely are not approaching this issue in the correct way. This OP and mine both created a hypothetical possibility using supporting evidence to show it might have been possible. In no way do either of us suggest there is evidence to conclude a fact that DNA was fabricated on 9/11. Our Op's point out the existence of such a technology, then theorize how DNA could be extracted from body parts (as is the OS) when most of an entire jet liner evaporated. Our OP's are not the evidence they are the theory. You are suggesting that even entertaining such a notion is stupid because there is no evidence. Then do not respond to the OP. If you are on here to voice an opinion of what you think then do so. It appears you are trying to discourage conversation on the topic, rather than add to it.

reply to post by Alfie1


And I suppose someone can prove that particular body came from the plane?
How would we know if it was a Pentagon worker or a plane passenger?
Blind faith in government is the path to ruin,
You keep on trusting and we'll keep asking questions.
Interesting find TA, though I agree with Hefficide - it would be easier to lie which is most of the testimony the 9/11 Commission received from government officials.

Is there any testimony that says a family member was satisfied that the body of their loved one had been positively identified (from the Pentagon)?

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by Alfie1

 

And I suppose someone can prove that particular body came from the plane?
How would we know if it was a Pentagon worker or a plane passenger?
Blind faith in government is the path to ruin,
You keep on trusting and we'll keep asking questions.
Interesting find TA, though I agree with Hefficide - it would be easier to lie which is most of the testimony the 9/11 Commission received from government officials.

Is there any testimony that says a family member was satisfied that the body of their loved one had been positively identified (from the Pentagon)?

Did I say the body was of a passenger or a Pentagon employee ? This thread is about faking dna so what is the relevance ?

The body will have been dna identified.The family will know and that is as far as it should go.

So far as anyone being satisfied that the body of a loved one has been identified this is the grave containing the remains of Barbara Olson :-

www.death2ur.com...

Make a snide remark about that why don't you.

reply to post by Alfie1
so by that photo you can tell it is a "body part" part of the plane? or of a person? i have done a lot of bbq's and have had my fair share of oh@@##!# the goes the meat to burnt ashes and i have seen the same thing when doing pork shoulders, or a hind leg of beef, the worst was a rack of ribs just ashes and one bone.just pointing out that this photo could be not real, just more dis info to pleas the masses. Why you ask, why not, to the masses from asking questions, the truth will come out some day, if the truth be what they say has happened then so be it, the best we can do is question all with open minds, believe them not for they are to deceive all.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by Six Sigma

 

Honestly, the entire point of ATS is to theorize and discuss conspiracy topics. Trying to demean people to not discuss something because it is repeated from a previous year is counter to the purpose of arriving at the truth. The OP has a theory, if you do not agree say so. As someone who authored that thread you refer to a year ago, I give him permission to expand on it. Like he needs your or my permission to do so.

I agree with you 100% here. You might also notice the methods a few posters consistently use to derail the thread into an "insult fest" deriding the posters and of course the "truther" position. For me it is becoming obvious that it is always the same posters, with the same intent, not to inform, but to "Lobby" their position by steamrolling and accusations.
"Why would they do it?" seems to be the question asked, like any of us would have insight to that persons thoughts or motives. Faking DNA is extremely useful if you have just spent years ensuring that the courts rely on DNA 100%. "Why would a cop plant evidence"? "Why would the government plant evidence"?
Why are some of these guys even on ATS? they sure don't seem interested in truth, but extremely passionate about derailing 9/11 threads.

..Ex