G Edward Griffin Exposes Conspiracy - Monsanto's Aluminum Resistant Seeds and Geoengineering

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by burntheships

 

IT IS STILL IN DISCUSSION PHASE!!!!

No, its not its well beyond that phase now. I have given at least a dozen links with plenty of proof in the opening OP. You have provided nothing except your usual vitrol and angst.

It isn't difficult to comprehend.

I agree, with all the proof these days, Geoengineering, and the Aluminum connection is easy to see for all.

MY original criticism of G. Edward Griffin stands, though....there is NOTHING in his past, nor his education, nor his scientific experience, that qualifies him to opine with any authority on this topic.

Proof please, or your just spouting taking up lots of space with your own opinions.

reply to post by burntheships


NO, "you" haven't....

I have given at least a dozen links with plenty of proof in the opening OP.

NO, all the OP did was show the "OPINION" of an idiot....there is no "proof" there, at all.

See my post to "Tesla", above. DO THE MATH!!!

Show how this alleged quantity of aluminum can be "sprayed"....it has weight!! And mass, it takes up volume!!!

AND, then try, just TRY to imagine the VOLUME of air and space it would need, once it was "sprayed"....you really aren't lookng at this critically enough, but merely swallowing nonsense from a con artist.....

....get your calculator out, and crunch the numbers for yourself.

It would help IF you also understood aviation, just a wee bit....but that might be asking too much, at this point. Ask some pilots you may know (if you know any). SInce you seem to disbelieve ME (a pilot).

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by burntheships

 

G. Edward Griffin is a con artist, who has determined that, in today's age of Internet gullibilty, there is a potential profit to be made by preying on people's IGNORANCE!!!! And, their general lack of scientific knowledge, and comprehension of the various technical details involved.

Apparently, it's easier than it looks to find suckers to flock to the "pseudo-science" that he used to "substantiate" his "claims".....

How very, very tragic. And, so sad.....

Your logic before or after reading the whole OP?
You never read any OPs...
Con Man...

reply to post by Granite


I have already, prior to the OP's positng, seen those videos. Most of the OTHER material, as well. Nothing new, more same old, same old.

Many people keep a watch on ALEX JONES (if you notice HE is the "source" of those videos) and his fear-mongering BS.

I can't stand the junk, and inanity anymore; it is so sad to see what should be intelligent people fall for such intellectually vacant CRAP!

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Granite

 

I can't stand the junk, and inanity anymore; it is so sad to see what should be intelligent people fall for such intellectually vacant CRAP!

Well then, put that stuff out of your sad mind and start taking in the truth!
Global Dimming,
Enhanced Dimming,
Solar Radiation Management,
just a few new terms to consider.

From one of the OP links:

But the option that is taken most seriously is altogether grander in conception and scale. The scheme proposes nothing less than the transformation of the chemical composition of the Earth's atmosphere so that humans can regulate the temperature of the planet as desired. Like volcanic eruptions, it involves injecting sulphur dioxide gas into the stratosphere to blanket the Earth with tiny particles that reflect solar radiation.

Various schemes have been proposed, with the most promising being adaptation of high-flying aircraft fitted with extra tanks and nozzles to spray the chemicals. A fleet of 747s could do the job.

Imagine that! Adaptation of high-flying aircraft fitted with extra tanks and nozzles to spray chemicals?

The Royal Society says : Stop emitting CO2 or geoengineering could be our only hope
royalsociety.org...

Visit the website and see how they would use aluminum (yes its possible since these great scientific minds have publilshed huge amounts of papers and studies) and modified 747 airplanes fitted with tanks, that would spray chemicals from the air.

royalsociety.org...

www.guardian.co.uk

reply to post by weedwhacker


You just got pwned!!

I say look at events and what do they say from observation.
All of a sudden aluminum pollution is a problem that Monsanto has to tackle.
That speaks volumes over numbers.
Fixing pollution clean up is a governmental funded money maker up there
with aerospace and the war machine and now security.
I can't find much better except all the non profits congress men set up to
help the people they love so much. Always for the people that we pay for
channeled through their control. Is there some sort of spigot they turn on
for state or federal funding.
Looks like Griffin picked an easy target here.
Pow an aluminum dam breaks in Hungary and we have too much in our dirt
so Monsanto to the rescue.
ED: Geoengineering has now replace the contrails counter to chemtrails
or Foo trails. Yeah sure. thats whats going on. Pollution by air flight
standard or by aliens its all the same. Sure, Geo. Who can affect the
Geo more than world wide flights everyday.
ED+:What gets me is that the hidden technology used by advanced
aircraft since 1945 that we payed for has now been found to be a polluter
as metal chips fall off on every flight and we have to now pay for the cleanup.
I happen to know of a routine flight location that might easily find the
flight path of surface metal.

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

You just got pwned!!

I don't see how he got 0wned. I don't believe that Weedwhacker would deny that there are certain plans to commence with geoengineering.

The first link talks about a growing consensus to promote such schemes among business and administration, no proof of alumium-spraying there.

The Royal Society link is a discussion of various schemes that have been promoted so far. I'll have to read it to the end first but so far not a word of an actual, already implemented alumium plot in the way that Uncle Griffin is talking about in the video.

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


I just don't understand how it's so hard for people to wrap their head around. Yes, it's in the developmental phase officially.

What of black-ops? We already know from the militaries own publicly viewable documents that black-ops is at least 6-8 years ahead of the public sector. It's not as if the technology or idea of geoengineering doesn't exist. It's not as if the necessity for it isn't already present. It's not as if the upwards trend in mean global temperature suddenly got thwarted at the same time period as the "chemtrail" phenomena became popular So what has been lacking? The political will to bring this out into public knowledge and go ahead with these plans out in the open.

Could I be wrong? Sure. I'm sticking to this theory until the pieces fit otherwise in my mind based on newer information. At the moment, it's all nice and snuggly.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Show how this alleged quantity of aluminum can be "sprayed"....it has weight!! And mass, it takes up volume!!!

Aluminum powder is sprayed all the time in commercial applications simply google "Powder Spraying Aluminum
Ever hear of Aluminum Oxide? A white powder that would also register aluminum content in a sample

The microstructure and properties of diffusion layer of spray aluminum
www.springerlink.com...

WEATHERMAN ADMITS MILITARY SPRAYING IN OUR SKIES,
May 7, 2010
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Seems Youtube made that video go away

Better take a chill pill before you blow a fuse


@ Burntheships Not sure if you had this one

Shhh!!!, What If It Was Reported That They Are Spraying Aluminum?

Could a Ban of Transparent Reporting at the Asilomar Conference be an Attempt to Cover-Up World-Wide Contamination From Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-Engineering Programs?

Geo-engineers gathered once again near Monterey California at the Asilomar International Conference on Climate Intervention Technologies meeting to develop norms and guidelines for what they say will be “controlled experimentation” on geo-engineering the planet. While many claim that stratospheric aerosol geo-engineering (SAG), aka chemtrail programs are in full-scale deployment, organizers of this meeting showed a lack of transparency by either denying or holding reporters to a high set of rules which limited what information was brought to the attention of the public. While we might never know how much information from the conference was suppressed in articles and reports, we do know some of the information that was not included. The issue of current SAG deployment and the use of aluminum in these programs seemed to be missing from reports and articles that came out of the conference.

www.infowars.com...

It would help IF you also understood aviation, just a wee bit....but that might be asking too much, at this point. Ask some pilots you may know (if you know any). SInce you seem to disbelieve ME (a pilot).

Well I know some pilots... and they don't agree with you... in fact one seems to feel you are a disinfo agent.
Seeing your posts recently tends to confirm that hypothesis

Whats to understand? Planes fly... many types of planes spray many types of substances for many types of results from smoke at airshows to cloud seeding to bug elimination to agent orange that wipes out whole regions of plant life

Why do people need to be pilots to figure out that planes CAN spray anything they want? And as to volume... well that too is no problem... While the following example is NOT A CHEMTRAIL run (They say its only water ) it shows that they could EASILY carry the volume you scream about







BIG PLANE You think you can fly one of these Herr 'pilot'?

Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin

The Royal Society link is a discussion of various schemes that have been promoted so far. I'll have to read it to the end first but so far not a word of an actual, already implemented alumium plot in the way that Uncle Griffin is talking about in the video.

Well either you can not read, or your lazy. Since you did not do your homework, and criticize the OP that has proof with only your so valuable opinion....I take pleasure in teaching you something.

You were saying... not a word aobut aluminum? Open your eyes!

Stratoshperic Aerosols? Like this??? Photophoretic levitation of engineered aerosols for geoengineering
www.pnas.org...

investigation of how injecting large quantities of precisely engineered particles into the upper atmosphere might provide a cost-effective tool for climate intervention – geoengineering.

The idea of using aerosol particles for messing with climate change isn’t a new one – the idea of injecting sulfate aerosols into the stratosphere to reflect more sunlight away from the earth has been around for a while.......

........precisely engineered particles not too dissimilar from those that David described back in the 1990′s, which got me wondering whether techniques being used then for fabrication of silicon particles could be used for the more complex particles being proposed here....

Proposed self-aligning, levitating, sunlight-reflecting nano-disc (Keith, 2010)
In a nutshell, David’s idea is to engineer discs around 10 micrometers across and 50 nanometers thick, with a core of aluminum, a top layer of aluminum oxide, and a bottom layer of barium titanate. Injected high enough into the atmosphere

Read more: 2020science.org...


Displaying estimated effectiveness versus "safety" for twelve geoengineering approaches. Based on data in the Royal Society Geoengineering the climate report -
2020science.org...

reply to post by unityemissions


OK. At least you admit it's just speculation. I thought you were making the case that there is proof that these things are actually implemented. Good to know that we agree there isn't.

With all regards for skepticism because of the admittedly large black world, such a project would hardly go unnoticed in my mind. I say that as someone who has held various jobs at airports for years. No significant changes to the airplanes I've been seeing all these years. But anyway - I don't believe that wheedwhacker or anyone else of the so called skeptics in here would deny that there is such planing. We're trying to stress the difference between making contingency plans and actually implementing them. That is, even in the black world, a major step.

reply to post by burntheships


Again I see no proof of actual implementation of anything discussed by the royal society in any meaningful scale as would be implied by the video that I watched from the original OP.

reply to post by burntheships

Edward teller also wrote about the possibility of injecting aerosols by the use of aircraft in order to enhance scattering. He had an interesting comment about it, one that you don't often see mentioned in connection with "chemtrails":

Interestingly enough, such Rayleigh scattering of sunlight, performed by stratospherically-deployed aerosols whose diameters are several-fold smaller than the wavelength of light itself, will selectively scatter back into space the largely deleterious ultraviolet component of sunlight while diminishing the light that we see – and that plants use for photosynthesis – only imperceptibly.

From the human perspective, skies would be bluer, twilights would be more visually spectacular, plants would be less stressed by UV photodamage and thus would be more productive, and children playing out-of-doors would be much less susceptible to sunburn (and thus to skin dysplasias and dermal cancers as adults), if this stratospheric Rayleigh scattering system were to be deployed.

www.geoengineeringwatch.org...
Strange. I don't see anyone talking about the sky being any bluer. I only see complaints about how "chemtrails" produce cloudy skies. So, does that mean Teller was wrong or does that mean that there is no geoengineering actually occurring? That "chemtrails" are just clouds which are induced by high altitude airplane traffic?

reply to post by zorgon


Zorgon, from your post,

The issue of current SAG deployment and the use of aluminum in these programs seemed to be missing from reports and articles that came out of the conference.

www.infowars.com...

Does that sound like a familiar tactic? Reminds me of the data from the last 10 years on Global Warming.

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


Your valuable opinion again.
Maybe the global dimming is already working in your area?
Its only your opinion that it is all just "planning". You still have not provided any proof!

What about Zorgons post, you just want to ignore that?

Zorgon, I found that video from another channel!


www.youtube.com...

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


Actually, I didn't say that and neither of us could say that with any high degree of accuracy, or intellectual honesty. What I am saying is that there's a lot of inferential reasoning behind the conspiracy theory of geoengineering operations already being commenced. I'm also saying that the science is there which provides reason for it's purpose if/when this is implemented. I'm saying that the idea isn't nearly as far fetched as some skeptics would have you believe.

I've personally been in contract with a Dr. Hildegarde Staninger. She worked for the U.S. government and military for several years, and is an internationally respected researcher. She wrote The Comprehensive Handbook of Hazardous Materials: Regulations, Handling, Monitoring and Safety. Anyways, she's in agreement that something is, indeed, being sprayed, but doesn't go as far as to say who is spraying, or what the intentions are. All she notes is that reports are showing up in certain areas, and laboratory analysis of samples have been gathered.

This is a whacky show, I'll admit that, but give a listen to her here. Just keep to what she's saying rather than what the hosts are saying.

reply to post by burntheships


So you're in the "chaff is chemtrails" choir now? I thought you once said they were different. Well, I don't believe that chaff constitues chemtrails.

And usually it is someone brining forward a claim that needs to prove it. I never said it isn't happening. I'm saying there's no proof in this thread that it is - only evidence that it is being considered.

Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin
So you're in the "chaff is chemtrails" choir now? I thought you once said they were different. Well, I don't believe that chaff constitues chemtrails.

NO chaff is not chemtrails BUT the question was can aluminum be 'sprayed' or injected into the atmosphere and stay afloat... Chaff is exactly that and by that video covers half the country

@burntheships Not the same video but better I need to save that one real quick I think I have the other one saved but have not set up my website to show videos yet

reply to post by zorgon


But you would agree that the regular chaff-containers that are installed on military aircrafts would not be sufficient to do the job? While that kind of radar signature can be produced by only limited amounts of chaff, a widespread dispersal of chaff by only using the inbuilt anti-air defensive systems of current planes would never suffice?

The more I read the less clear I find what your actually arguing for. I'll be going through it again..,.

Edit: I realized that I have that impression because I was answering different people. Sorry for the confusion.