So You Think Aliens Are Good? - Think Again

reply to post by leira7


Am I joking? You never know. As long as we control the resources we would control the inhabitants by simple supply and demand. Start them out using the real resources so they know the value and must acquire them for us. Then just trade it with something useless and make them think it has the same value. After that we just control the fake resources and we control them. Since we already control the real resources it would be very easy to manipulate the fake ones any way we like. I was trying to think of a logo and a pyramid seemed cool. Not sure yet though. Maybe an eyeball or something. Any ideas?

reply to post by prophecy4



Why do you think that the United States of America, Russia and various countries that we have a combined total of more than 21,000 nuclear warheads? This is not about mutual destruction, this about a hostile alien deterrent. I would think that a couple of warheads launched between Russia and the U.S.A. would do the job if it was an Earthly domestic dispute.

Based upon this, I think we have encountered some aliens of the nefarious kind, or we are beyond paranoid.

Originally posted by HanyouSpirit
We really need to get away from terms like good and evil, and use terms like Servant to Self/Servant to Others. That i believe is one improvement we can achieve. Good and Evil seems too subjective, maybe it's just me though ^_^.

it is just you
it does boil down to good and evil
and it always has been
and always will be

there are good aliens just
like there are bad aliens.
This goes for humans as well.
It's a constant battle of opposing
forces on a daily basis.

reply to post by prophecy4


My opinion for what it is worth, I think there are both good and bad. (As above so below). See, good
and bad can be relative to the eye of the beholder. For example....a woman get's raped by a man,
everyone agree's that it was wrong except the man that raped her. Now, relatives and friends of the
woman decide to make the man pay and end up killing the man who raped the woman. Suddenly,
the police get involved because a death ensued. Some would say it was good for the rapist to die,
the law say's it was wrong to kill him...if anyone is going to do the killing, it has to be the law that does
it. There are many more parables like that. Just goes to show, the longer that the story goes on, the muddier
it gets. I have a feeling the same thing might apply to different ET groups seeing as some have been visiting
Earth for a long, long time.

I personally believe that there is probably tons of races, all with different agendas. Weather its "raping'' people for there love juice to engineer a superior race with the best qualities of both races, or it is universal peace, or maybe just researching everything for greater knowledge. I'm sure yes there is evil aliens but chances are there are good ones too. So to say all aliens are evil would be quite ignorant.

reply to post by prophecy4


Dear prophecy4

I think the fact that aliens of which we have evidence but certainly no proof are good is very interesting.

Many think that they will come here and save us.

Too me this just says how utterly disappointed they are with our leaders.

In other words I would rather be ruled by a superior being from beyond the stars that the scumbags that are governing me now.

You are posting alot of what they might do that is bad, but do you think that there are some pro's to this list of things they might of done that is good?
Were no more innocent than they are, yet we still have people that have done good for us.

reply to post by TWILITE22


It means that if you're on another planet, and an earth ship arrives, blow it out the sky!!

To the OP: i agree with your premise for a number of different reasons, but i like your thinking on this.

The best quotes i've found on the subject basically say: There's something interacting with us, it's not from out there, it's always been here with us. It's not compatible with an "alien civilisation", but seems to "mould" itself to those lines.

The spirit/demon link is very strong, both historically and within the evidence, and your one point is very very clear:

A lie is a lie.

I think aliens are good.

Which type goes with what though is the hard part.

My favourite is Cthulhu with noodles in a black bean and oyster sauce, with a nice glass of pilsner on the side.

A roast grey in plum sauce with shredded lettuce served on unleavened tortilla is pretty decent especially with a slosh of Rioja.

And who could forget Pleiadian pasta? Lovely. Especially with some crushed Tribbles and a nice glass of cold milk.

I've still to find a way to eat Xenomorph though. Far too spikey and protected with plating and its blood burns through everything - knives, forks and spoons are useless (let alone the plate, table or floor). So maybe not all aliens are good. But certainly most of them are!

-m0r

Even if aliens did turn out to be bad and were hell bent on enslaving us and raping us. What would be the difference. I already feel enslaved and raped by my own government. At least they might give me a go in one of there spaceships.

Well from what I see there recently have been many people who are convinced that aliens are good but I don't see anything to suggest that at all.
Firstly lets assume that aliens ARE here and are visiting us already, now there are many different levels on which you can believe the extent of the visitation too many quite frankly but none really suggest friendly motives.

Now there is the aliens who are just (seemingly constantly) flying around and being seen in their craft for all to see and yet they have not made any contact at all. Which at the very least you would have to wonder why are they holding back, they are certainly thinking about something. You could then go further on to say that they have been interfering with our nukes but without making any contact still, just de-activating a few to see how easy it will be. It doesn't scream we come in peace to me. Surely if they are trying to send a message they would say so or at least de-activate the lot.

And as the OP mentioned there are also the ones who 'abduct' and 'experiment' with people, again this covers a range of 'experiences', most famously probing, but also implanting people with chips, memory loss, doing medical experiments and even implanting or the taking away of fetus's. It can even be taken as far to say they have taken people all together never to be returned. Again not one of these things strike me as anything I would want to experience and would tend to lean towards some kind of hidden alien agenda that they are happy to do to us but don't want us knowing.
So yeah, still not friendly.

Then you can take it a step further and say that they are here and are being hidden from the public by governments, perhaps even in cahoots with or even secretly running all the happenings on Earth. There are many variations in this sector of belief as well but all imply that the government is hiding the truth from us and that we are not ready for disclosure. Which of course I find strange that if this was true the believer could still think the aliens would be good, I mean really? The government that you find so despicable, who tell lies all the time, are possibly trying to depopulate the planet and are not to be trusted ever are working in tandem with friendly aliens?
Highly unlikely.

Then of course there is the 'we are not being visited by aliens but they may very well turn up one day' line of thinking.
And that I'm afraid is luck of the draw, who knows who may show up and what there intentions are. But you would have to look at their possible motivations would be for travelling such distances and quite a few scenarios wouldn't say they are just visiting.

So that covers a few scenarios I guess but even if one of them holds any truth I wouldn't lean to them be friendly.
Meh who knows, it's not like we are in any danger of finding out anyway.

Originally posted by Tarrok
Following your argument, I can see how aliens are evil. And lets say you're spot on. Then I'd ask you the following question: What makes you think those evil aliens are the only aliens out there?

I haven't heard a bout a single good one yet. Do you have any reports of good aliens kidnapping people? LOL

We have too few pieces of evidence, if you can call them that, regarding alien intelligent life.

There might be a vast network of good aliens out there that believe in non-interference and that everyone needs to learn on their own.

We have more evidence for aliens than evolution. People claim to have seen aliens. Nobody claims to have ever seen any of the actual fossils that supposedly exist t confirm evolution. UFOs have been tracked on radar. Micro evolution is the only thing that has been proven and macro evolution is assumed. My point is if you say there is no evidence for aliens, ther's even less for evolution.

Or we can accept the fact that the Universe is so massive, that we really have NO clue as to what it holds in terms of life.

In any case, subscribing to the idea that aliens are evil is bad. Simply because if there are good aliens that arrive and we treat them with hostility, what reason do they have to interact with us?

I'd rather we be cautious but open. Trust has got to be earned, even by aliens, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't go shake their hand.

Would you shake hands with a rapist? In America we lock people up first, then let them go to trial later. Why treat these alien visitors any different?

Originally posted by demiroyale
You are posting alot of what they might do that is bad, but do you think that there are some pro's to this list of things they might of done that is good?

Pros like what? Cure to cancer, aids, herpes? I haven't seen it. But even if they do, are we condoning kidnap and rape because they give us a little bit of technology?

Were no more innocent than they are, yet we still have people that have done good for us.

What's your point? That has nothing to do with aliens. Find me a report of a good one and let me know what they actually did to help the human race.

Originally posted by MAC269
reply to post by prophecy4

 

Dear prophecy4

I think the fact that aliens of which we have evidence but certainly no proof are good is very interesting.

Many think that they will come here and save us.

Too me this just says how utterly disappointed they are with our leaders.

In other words I would rather be ruled by a superior being from beyond the stars that the scumbags that are governing me now.

Interesting. Another person condoning kidnapping, rape, and murder as traits to look for in a leader. Technologically superior does not mean superior in general.

Originally posted by revmoofoo
I see where you're coming from OP, but I'm still going to wait for disclosure before I make a decision either way.

What difference would disclosure make? It would only provide proof that something was out there and that what people have been saying about them is likely to be true.

After all, I have not seen any concrete evidence that points to them being good or being evil. IMHO most of the stuff out there is hearsay which lacks formal evidence, or a person (or persons) best guess based on ancient texts and stuff like that. I do not believe any abduction or contactee story and believe that those who claim such should try the meds I'm on and they'll see their delusions fade away in next to no time.

Let me see if I understand. You believe in aliens, but anyone that claims they have had contact with them is automatically crazy? LOL. The fact is either people are lying and there is nothing or there is something. What reason do people have to say they were kidnapped and raped by aliens? If they were just seeking attention they could say a person did it.

That said, I do believe in aliens and look forward to seeing what happens when/if disclosure happens.

If/when disclosure happens, you should pray that God intervenes. These beings are up to no good.

Originally posted by HanyouSpirit
I agree that statistically and logically it is safe to assume that the universe is balanced with good and evil in some sense although i have long moved past those terms. However i do not for one minute believe in any of the religious spins that people put on aliens and higher beings.

So what was Hitler if you don't think he was evil? It seems the religious spin fits. Anyone saying it doesn't is in denial. "Walk-ins" that do the same thing as demons? Any blind person could see that only something evil would imitate the actions of a demon.

I think that if the "so called" aliens were not benevolent but malevolent in intent and that this was the general statistic across the board of currently visiting or visited in the past "races", then we'd be gone already. Simply because any intelligent technologically and or spiritually superior race that had evil intentions would not waste hundreds to thousands of years for some grand master plan/deception, they'd have acted immediately and been done with it already.

Hitler was evil but he didn't want to kill everyone, just certain people. They wanted slaves according to history. We kill cattle, chickens, etc. with no intentions of wiping them out. We use them for what we need, we breed them, and we kill them. So why do they need to wipe us out if they have other stuff in mind?

I think the truth is much more balanced than that, however i also think that there seems to be a strong benevolence going about. Maybe it is just my gut feeling, instinct, sense, or maybe i am dreaming but i don't think were in such deep trouble as some make us out to be, i think that is just fearmongering and being scared of the unknown.

Fearmongering? Again, history says that they haven't done any good at all. Please find me someone that was abducted and came back with the cure to world hunger. LOL. What they come back with are traumatizing experiences, anti-Jesus messages, and rape accusations. If that's your idea of benevolence, I'd hate to live in your world.

I think that it is more likely that some are here to watch, others are here to help, some are here for their own reasons a.k.a self-servant, however i do not think there is much malevolence other than perhaps some of our own higher ups who seems to think the human race is just a pawn and that the planet is an immortal rock.

As someone stated earlier, if some are here to help, why aren't they stopping the bad ones from kidnapping and raping?

Example #1: Some people claim that highly advanced beings would not be evil. If we look at mankind, the more advanced we have become, the more we have perfected the art of killing people. From slings to neutron bombs. Based on our own actions, we can conlude that more advanced civilizations would probably be the same way.

I'd have to differ. How many wars of conquest and attempts to expand territory are going on, right now, in the world? Compare this to any time in civilization's past.

Example #2: All throughout history people have been reporting beings from the sky kidnapping and raping women and men in some cases. There are two possibilities. There are no beings from the sky at all or there are. If there are beings from the sky, are they really kidnapping and raping people?

There's another possibility, there are beings in the sky, but the rape accounts are either exaggerated or untrue. While there are many abduction accounts, it's unclear how many of these aren't just hoaxers or mentally disturbed individuals. While there are intriguing cases, they are in the minority, not the majority.

Example #3: People claim that these beings only lied about being gods and angels because we weren't ready to know the truth. A lie is a lie period. Even if they are posing as gods, angels, etc., they are still revealing that we are not alone. Why not just say they are mortal beings from a different world. Why pose as gods and allow people to worship them? People already believed that hybrids lived among them, I'm sure they could accept the story that these beings were not gods.

You're assuming a lot here. For starters, they may not have been able to communicate well, and could have led to such beliefs unintentionally. Or, even if they did, to those peoples, it was a much more adaptable belief than other worlds.

Example #4: People in Sumer claim that these beings enslaved them and forced them to work for natural resources. I can't speak for everyone but I'm sure most people don't view slavery as a good thing.

If beings had interstellar access, they wouldn't need OUR resources....the Universe is their garden.

Example #5: Perhaps one of the most disturbing aspect is the concept of a walk-in. I'm not a genius, but does this not sound exactly like a Biblical example of demon possession? I don't know alot, but anything acting like a demon should raise red flags.

Very few abduction cases include this element, and even those that do are highly suspect.

Example #6: Some organizations like the Raeliens claim we need to give these beings an invitation if we want them to make contact. If these beings were the gods of mythology, the usual invitation was a huge human sacrifice or a request for them to inhabit a body. Demons need an invitation, vampires need an invitation, and so do many other creatures associated with the supernatural. Who in their right mind would invite beings that seem to be bound by the same laws as evil supernatural creatures.

We've already sent out the invitation. In addition to the radio waves we've beamed into space, we've got probes that have all kinds of information about us (including where we are) inviting all beings of the Universe to check us out.

reply to post by harryhaller
I believe its fear of the unknown and a big imagination that drives some of these stories. I do believe that some people are truly having experiences
that they cannot understand or explain, whether its aliens or our government I don't know

reply to post by prophecy4


You make good points...But most of why you think aliens could be evil is just from assumption. Most cases that involve people claiming that they are being kidnapped and raped by people in the sky could also be the result of PTSD. People who have been raped and develop this anxiety disorder normally have very vivid dreams that can reflect their traumatic experiences. I'm not a psychologist so i'm probably not qualified to say either way...but it's just a suggestion. We probably couldn't say that all abduction cases that have to do with rape are the result of PTSD.
Also, I don't think we can say for sure that the aliens did tell the ancient civilizations that they are God...actually we don't even know exactly how they contacted those people if it happened at all. It might not be as simple as them directly speaking to them or fully coming out and showing themselves. We don't know the full story...so I still think instead of assuming they are good or evil... we should just remain on the fence and expect both scenarios.

I'd have to differ. How many wars of conquest and attempts to expand territory are going on, right now, in the world? Compare this to any time in civilization's past.

OK. Name a few countries that aren't invested in some kind of war right now. That includes financially. There are a tons of people invested in war right now, both physically and financially.

There's another possibility, there are beings in the sky, but the rape accounts are either exaggerated or untrue. While there are many abduction accounts, it's unclear how many of these aren't just hoaxers or mentally disturbed individuals. While there are intriguing cases, they are in the minority, not the majority.

Actually, they are the majority. You base your assumptions that its not happening on absolutely no evidence. You just don't want it to be true. Isn't DENIAL also a psychological disorder?

You're assuming a lot here. For starters, they may not have been able to communicate well, and could have led to such beliefs unintentionally. Or, even if they did, to those peoples, it was a much more adaptable belief than other worlds.

Untrue again. They already believed in other worlds. Heaven, hell, the underworld, etc. All places that many cultures believed they could physically travel to. Why not just say what they were? They sure didn't seem to have any problems accepting worship or relaying their message to the slaves they were said to have used.

If beings had interstellar access, they wouldn't need OUR resources....the Universe is their garden.

Another assumption. They may just want our resources. Much different than needing. We also have a built in slave population for them to use.

Very few abduction cases include this element, and even those that do are highly suspect.

People like you are going to be the reason they destroy or enslave mankind. Too blind to see what's right in front of your face. Its not new by any stretch of the imagination. Its just our modern spin on what everyone has been saying for thousands of years.

We've already sent out the invitation. In addition to the radio waves we've beamed into space, we've got probes that have all kinds of information about us (including where we are) inviting all beings of the Universe to check us out.

Unfortunately if you study abduction cases, its rarely a radio signal that they respond to. They do respond to channeling and meditations just like evil spirits have been known to do all throughout history. When CSETI can't make contact, but mediums, psychics, channelers, etc. can, it should send up red flags.

All signs point to evil entities that aren't what they claim to be.