I just saw Fahrenheit 9/11....

George W. Bush is Helping the world and NOT THE UNITED STATES and the movie shows exactly that.

I like G. Bush. He is a cool guy, and he is doing things well.

After seeing the film twice, they make it seem like the song "The Roof Is On Fire" show an uncaring side of the soldiers - being musically inclined, I downloaded this song to see just how dreary and evil it is.

What I got wasn't what I expected. Nearly a folk-title, this slow white rap to accoustic guitar and bass is just good wholesome fun. They say 'mother#er' about 8 times. Whoopdie do. The person 'singing' the song has a few clever lyrics, and makes fun of himself to no end, the basswork is catchy and the song is filled with cliche music spats from the last 10 years. "I'm not black like barry white, no I'm white like Frank Black is." - just an example.

I was disturbed by the facial expression of the soldier 'singing' the lyrics, until I listened to the song - then I realised that it's because that is what it seems like the singer would have to be doing while performing this song. Really, bad-one on Moore for showing the one bit of the song as incriminating. Still enjoyed the movie though.

I just don't understand why people take this stuff so literally - Moore isn't as stupid and focused as to 'take on Bush' - he's making an opinionated piece to remind the public that there are two groups of people on the earth, the rich that just get richer and work only to their own means, and the poor that work to keep the image of the system that they feel works, technically keeping themselves on the ground. It is a piece to show us that we owe more to those who give their lives to our ideals of freedom and peace than we give. It is a piece to show us that people like Bush, Kerry, Chirac, Martin, or any leader out there are here to make money, and not to aid anyone, or change anything for the better. It is a piece to show us that in order to make money, people like Bush, Kerry, Chirac, Martin, or any of those other leaders will send the people like those living in Flint, Michigan off to their fates to make the money craved.

Lads and Lassies, generalise.

2+5=7 tells us a lot - but when you aren't sure if its 2 or 1, or 3, then you generalise.

2+b=7, or a+5=7, or 2+5=c, we can strip out the numbers and look at the situation. a+b=c > In any case where both a and b exist, c results. In any case where we have (a), a rich-and-looking-to-be-richer person, and (b), a low-middle class working guy who will fulfill his duties and do what he feels good, and needed, you will result in (c), a situation of likely exploitation for means unknown, and possibly unjustified. It needn't be Bush and the American people, that was just the case that Moore had to work with, if you look past what you see as some leftist spewing anti-republican rhetoric, and try to think about the real reason things like this get made, then you might not hate mike so much. Remember, Bowling For Columbine picked on Clinton. Had gore won, a film against him could, nay, would have been made.

this was one of the greatest movies i have ever seen. Pure craftsmanship and one of the saddest movies i did not cry through

Before you get too excited, please keep in mind that almost everything that Michael Moore implied in F-911 is complete garbage.

Check out this article. It blows away 59 of Moore's big theories. Moore is a socialist. He hates George Bush and he isn't wild about America in general.

Please read the article....

www.davekopel.com...

"Bowling for Columbine" was also pure bullcrap.

www.hardylaw.net...

I'm not a huge Bush fan. However you can't pass judgement on him based on this idiotic piece of propaganda.

Originally posted by Steve8203
Before you get too excited, please keep in mind that almost everything that Michael Moore implied in F-911 is complete garbage.

Check out this article. It blows away 59 of Moore's big theories. Moore is a socialist. He hates George Bush and he isn't wild about America in general.

Please read the article....

www.davekopel.com...

"Bowling for Columbine" was also pure bullcrap.

www.hardylaw.net...

I'm not a huge Bush fan. However you can't pass judgement on him based on this idiotic piece of propaganda.

Steve, I have read this reaction to the film. Sorry, but it's just the other side of the same dambed coin that Moore is using. The counter arguments are as weak, mis-leading , and full of inuendo as you would expect in a reactionary rebuttal.

i think alot of what moore shows is credible. how could it not be credible if there is proof bush was using bin ladens family. and yes bush is using cheap labor in iraq, instead of ''building a democracy.'' you guys should open your eyes more because bush really did slack off while we were under attack people.

A man fighting for his country you can call him a egoist and facist.
But a man fighting for all mankind is a patriot.

i got bored after 3 pages of insults from "banned member"(s) and the mud slinging. I'm sure the quality of discussion improved after and will peruse them at my leisure.

I was directed here since i was discussing michael moores lack of any mention of Israel's connection to invasion of iraq in f9/11, and told that my thread isnt needed by a MODERATOR. So i come here, and from what i can see only one member, Amadeus, on page 15 of this thread makes any mention of this, so it would appear that my thread was valid.

btw, anyone interested in Iraq war-israel interests connection please check out :

www.nogw.com...

and form ur independent opinions. Im still reading thru them myself

there was another good link on my thread, but unfortunately it was moved by from education and media to who knows where. I can't find it using search, but i managed to find another good link left my another member who unfotunately i can no longer give any credit to:

www.jewwatch.com...

thanks for reading.

[edit on 9/1/05 by el_illumbrato]

you people need to see farenHYPE 911

Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
How about instead of people just shluffing off what Moore says as lies and half-truths, why not find a tiny bit of evidence to support what you claim.

Why, because it's (almost) impossible to prove the negative.

There's also a movie

FahrenHYPE 9/11 [DVD] (2004) Ed Koch; Dick Morris; Ron Silver; Peter King

out that debunks every assertion moore makes in his movie. To be fair and not appear one-sided on this issue yourself, you should be suggesting that people watch them both.

[edit on 1/10/2005 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by centurion1211
FahrenHYPE 9/11 [DVD] (2004) Ed Koch; Dick Morris; Ron Silver; Peter King

out that debunks every assertion moore makes in his movie. To be fair and not appear one-sided on this issue yourself, you should be suggesting that people watch them both.

I just opened this thread out of interest, and so to add something to the topic, let me say I agree.

But the real reason for my post is to ask you centurion, what on earth do you feed that pussasaurus, and what does it tip the scales at?

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween

Originally posted by centurion1211
FahrenHYPE 9/11 [DVD] (2004) Ed Koch; Dick Morris; Ron Silver; Peter King

out that debunks every assertion moore makes in his movie. To be fair and not appear one-sided on this issue yourself, you should be suggesting that people watch them both.

I just opened this thread out of interest, and so to add something to the topic, let me say I agree.

But the real reason for my post is to ask you centurion, what on earth do you feed that pussasaurus, and what does it tip the scales at?

No one gets it. I am the cat! My name is Centurion and I am the 1,211th in a long line of giant cats going back to ancient Egypt. The guy holding me is just here to type my posts (and scratch me behind my ears).

Micheal Moore's Film is not garbage you yanks believe anything that make's Bush look good I'm about to post a new film that makes F-911 look like child's play you'll see-hear CIA officials saying war is illegal and Bush basicaly LIED get ready it's 87 minitues long this movie.

Michael Moore is such an idiot....
He ruined a chance to educate people about 9/11...

YOU WANT SOME REAL MOVIES?!

mcslyg.homeip.net...
Has a list of downloads of awesome 9/11 videos.

Originally posted by Agent47
See when a three year old scribbles some really poor drawings on the walls of your home everyone stops and goes "oohh how cute", and that only helps the kid do it again.

Its the same thing with Michael Moore, if he makes a biased documentary of lies and exageration then dont give him positive reinforcement by seeing it even if you dont like him.

Anyone who says "well I dont like him but I will see it" well your a phony. Either A. Deep down you like him and dont want to admit it, or B. Your to much of a fool to stop his behavior.

If we all just let the fat slob run its course and not give him any more dollars to make films/gorge himself, then there wont be anything to complain about.

If you want to seriously discusss the isssues of 9/11 and the administration do it here on ATS. Im sickened that admin has even given this pile of crud its own forum.

Theres serious film documentaries and then theirs Farenheit 9/11.
Theres serious message boards and then theres AOL chat.

Weve really blurred the lines with the creation of this forum.

I mean look we already have a l33t speak swearing and a bunch of these

I dont know why we cant just talk about this in the pit and or BTS.

Waste of bandwith and breath to give this movie any more than its 15 minutes of fame.

[edit on 25-6-2004 by Agent47]

Let me guess TOM...your training to be a fighter piolot and just can't wait to get your get swooping down over villages and let go your amraam's....
You do have an advantage man & you might not even realise....You're Transperant....does' that make you invisible too.....

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
(Zzub, profanity, used sparingly has never been a problem around here, I know, I've used it many a times in the past, so what's the big deal? I've about had it with the regulatory nonsense around here)

That's not true. That provision of the terms and conditions has been included since ATS had a discussion board.

The "regulatory nonsense" you reference is nothing more than common sense manners for behaving in a public place.

Now I think his is abit of some seriouse over reacting...I had to go back and read the thread again to see what ZZud meant with profanity....
I think it was about the acronyms...??...
Well;that was'nt so bad ,after all he just spelt 4 letters,and he was over excited..So ..I don't think it was really profane as such..

Originally posted by aelphaeis_mangarae
Michael Moore is such an idiot....
He ruined a chance to educate people about 9/11...

YOU WANT SOME REAL MOVIES?!

mcslyg.homeip.net...
Has a list of downloads of awesome 9/11 videos.

yeah but if he'd gone to outrageous, it prob wouldnt have reached such a wide audience.
Great site, except none of the links to download films seem to be working

my bad, just tried the backup server, working fine thanks

[edit on 14/3/05 by el_illumbrato]

Moore actually reveals quite a few masonic handshakes and other occult symbolism in the film, hiding things in plain view as it were. The first cover of the film with him super imposed holding Bush's hand is a Masonic grip to my knowledge. Mysteriously, as it came out on DVD the cover was changed.

The movie itself is more of a whitewash than anything truly revealing. For instance:

In his film farenheit 9/11, Micheal Moore doesn't even mention things that MSNBC and the Associated Press have reported on. One, being that Osama Bin Laden's codename in the CIA was Tim Ozman(sp?)...he was infact a CIA asset trained in the 70s that was used against the russians, used in the 80s in Afghanistan, and also against the Serbs in the late 90s. He is literally the Goldstien (read 1984 already if you don't get this) of US military/geo-political interests.

Why didn't he talk about the 9/11 truth movement ( www.911truth.org... ) made up of hundreds of the victims families of sept 11th aledging government involvement in the attacks?

Why no mention of the official declassified government plan (Operation Northwoods) to carry out terror attacks in America and blame it on foreign enemies? (which even mentions hijacking airliners by remote control and crashing them)

I mean it's not like he'd be going a streach, ABC news and the Baltimore sun reported this, so why couldn't he?

What about the prior knowledge of the tons of public warnings for people told not to fly days before sept 11th 2001? (Like Mayor Willie Brown, whom was warned by the white house, also John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial a couple weeks before the incident, or Salman Rushdie warned by the FAA sept 3rd 2001 not to fly on sept 11th, this being reported by the london times september 27 2001)?

Did you know the joint cheifs of staff had a meeting on the day of september 11th in New York, but the day before they pulled out because of a "warning"...this reported by Newsweek, sept 10th 2001?


There was no mention that NORAD stood down in it's first time in it's 50 year history.

Why no mention of the insider trading, that stocks of United Airlines were bustling at about 20 times the average rate?

Still though the average American has no idea of these facts as they haven't made the nightly news and certainly has not been talked about by Micheal Moore. Moore really was doing Bush a favor, making him look like he was just being an idiot by accidentally allowing 9/11 to happen by taking too many vacations, rather than revealing that Bush and his corporate interests stood to gain with the 9/11 incident.

***

You should really watch Alex Jones' (albiet his upfront attitude, carries some great facts) Martial Law 9/11 for a thorough debunking of Moore's tripe. Alex Jones allows copies of his documentaries to be copied and spread, so if you are having trouble finding it (clips are on www.infowars.com... ) give me a msg and I'll see about getting you a copy. For an understanding of occult symbolism however, I don't recommend Jones.

9/11 is just Problem Reaction Solution happening once again.

Originally posted by Viendin
After seeing the film twice, they make it seem like the song "The Roof Is On Fire" show an uncaring side of the soldiers - being musically inclined, I downloaded this song to see just how dreary and evil it is.

What I got wasn't what I expected. Nearly a folk-title, this slow white rap

1. All soldiers are trained to be killers. To kill you must not care. Just a fact. And the movie showed a glimpse of that. "Burn the mother------ down!".

2. There's no such thing as "white rap". America is sooo messed up when it comes to knowing its own music history. In that case how come Rock & roll isn't called white rock & roll? Black Americans invented Rock & Roll. Back when Elvis started out, his manager had to bring Elvis in person to every radio station because the station DJ's and managers would say "No white boy is able to play that n---- music!" (rock & roll). Rock & Roll was viewed as Black American music, the same way Rap is viewed as Black American music.

To anyone with common sense (like the British, who allowed themselves to listen to and enjoy Black American blues, Rock & Roll, without it being censored because "white" women might "swoon" over the black singers...) it's American Music. Not "white rap" or "black rap". American Rock & Roll, American Rap, American Jazz, American R&B, American Techno, American Doo Wop, American Country Music, American Disco, American Metal, American Punk, on and on.



[edit on 20-3-2005 by OpenSecret2012]