Rebuttal to "The Sun" (UK newspaper) article slandering DMT (dimethyltryptamine).

Rebuttal to "The Sun" (UK newspaper) article slandering '___' (dimethyltryptamine).

www.thesun.co.uk

A BRAIN-bending jungle drug is set to become a bigger menace than crystal meth on Britain's streets, it was feared last night.
Border guards have intercepted a record £13million haul of '___' - a powerful hallucinogen used by Amazon tribes.
Smokers of the crystals almost immediately suffer intense and often terrifying visions.
Side-effects include paranoia and flashbacks weeks or months later.

(visit the link for the full news article)

you can read the rebuttal here:
freetexthost.com...

i put a fair amount of time into writing it, and would appreciate it if anyone who reads it and enjoys the content would freely share it with their friends. thank you all very much. i found "The Sun" article to be highly entertaining, and written as much anti-drug propaganda is... foolishly, and with very little thought put into it. you can check my sources. i should have cited them if this was formal, but as it's not, you can find them all over the web. good luck!
peace and love to all.


www.thesun.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

'___' is naturally created in the pineal gland, and is secreted during sleep (the chemical responsible for dreams), the bigger the secretion the bigger the dream. '___' is also secreted and depleted at the time of death.

(i iz subsribed)

reply to post by jrmay77cr


A bigger problem than crystal meth??? '___' is as addictive as a set of car keys. Granted it may take people who don't follow rules like set and setting for an unpleasant ride they may never forget, but it will also give some a personal insight that changes their lives for the better.

No matter where it is published, the Sun is the lowest, trashiest and most insulting newspaper in circulation.

Continue fighting the good fight against tabloid cancers! Star and flag!

I'm sorry you spent so much time on it as I think it will be taken down, it's against the t&c's of ATS

Narcotics and illicit mind-altering substances: Due to abuse of the subject matter by some (promoting various aspects of personal use, and discussing actual personal use), no new topics on this subject are allowed in any form.

reply to post by davespanners

i'm discussing a set of articles... not using drugs. furthermore, the "illicit-substance" to which you refer, is in fact manufactured in your brain, so if ATS takes down a discussion regarding a substance of neurological origin, i will lose a great deal of respect for them, and for their views on freedom of speech, as well as what that would say regarding their views on the pursuit of happiness and liberty of mind.

Originally posted by jrmay77cr
reply to post by davespanners

 

i'm discussing a set of articles... not using drugs. furthermore, the "illicit-substance" to which you refer, is in fact manufactured in your brain, so if ATS takes down a discussion regarding a substance of neurological origin, i will lose a great deal of respect for them, and for their views on freedom of speech, as well as what that would say regarding their views on the pursuit of happiness and liberty of mind.

edit on 10/7/2010 by jrmay77cr because: (no reason given)

I agree, this is not an issue about drugs, even though The Sun was trying to make it seem that way. It would also be pertinent to note that this would also be an issue of religious debate against that publication as many cultures practicing various forms of shamanism utilize the substance through various means, some of which do not even involve ingestion of any plant/animal matter, such as simply practicing methods of meditation and natural excitation producing more of said chemical naturally. As a great shaman once said, "Aspirin is a drug, Ayahuasca ('___') is sacred."

reply to post by Q:1984A:1776


For once though I feel like a paper might actually be doing the right thing. '___' is a very powerful drug, and the way they describe *to the masses* would actually likely occur. It takes a very strong and dedicated mind to handle something like that and to be honest I would not recommend anyone remotely skeptical about doing it to try it.

You could go on how it isn't addictive or harmful but at the end of the day, it is just as dangerous as any of your "junkie" drugs. Not only does it effectively render people useless thus taking them off the grid, it makes that person face themselves and with that much '___', it could actually have been used by bad people in nefarious ways.

reply to post by jrmay77cr


HAVE YOU SEEN BATMAN BEGINS

they got a dream/nightmare drug....and a microwave emmiting machine...like haarp..

??

I feel very sorry for the youth of today. So called progressives are progressing their societies into the abyss and brainwashing people into destructive dogmas.

This is a dangerous drug. You are killing brain cells and endangering your lives. These drugs are addictive. They are also demonic and open up your spirit to demonic oppression. Yet the cultural brainwashing inculcated by the left tries to tell us that drugs are good. That anything from another culture is clearly positive.

My suggestion is to get high on the Bible, exercise and vitamins rather than psychotropic hallucinogens. You'll have a lot more effective and meaningful life, than pissing it away on dangerous drugs.

Originally posted by SevenThunders
I feel very sorry for the youth of today. So called progressives are progressing their societies into the abyss and brainwashing people into destructive dogmas.

This is a dangerous drug. You are killing brain cells and endangering your lives. These drugs are addictive. They are also demonic and open up your spirit to demonic oppression. Yet the cultural brainwashing inculcated by the left tries to tell us that drugs are good. That anything from another culture is clearly positive.

My suggestion is to get high on the Bible, exercise and vitamins rather than psychotropic hallucinogens. You'll have a lot more effective and meaningful life, than pissing it away on dangerous drugs.

Yeah, let's all get high on the Bible and get plenty of *exorcise* to prevent "demonic oppression" lol.

I love it when the evangelists come in and spout the same old propaganda about brain damage and demon possession. If you had even taken the time to read any of the above information, you would realize that the chemical being discussed is produced in the brain naturally. If it killed brain cells then every time you dream, your brain would be decaying. I suppose now you are going to say that dreaming is a way for demons to possess us and we should never sleep eh?

I must here state for clarity that I do not in any way endorse the use of any kind of mind altering substance for recreational purposes. However, I must once again reiterate the value that has been placed upon these substances within a spiritual setting. Using them for any reason other than what they are "prescribed" for is dangerous. This can also be said about "getting high on vitamins" lol. Take too much Vitamin A and this can happen to you: Blurred vision, dizziness, ringing in the ears, headache, insomnia, irritability, apathy, stupor, skin rash, nausea, vomitting, diarrhea, hair loss, joint pain, menstrual irregularities, fatigue, liver damage, abnormal bone growth, damage to the nervous system. That doesn't mean that we should equate Vitamin A with Methamphetamine, nor should we compare the holy sacrament of other religions with it or fear it based on irrational religious biases.

pr.op.a.g.a.nda

really, something natural kills you? well, we have a problem then batman

reply to post by Q:1984A:1776


However the dosage is far higher than that normally produced by the brain. Vitamins are far safer in reasonable quantities. You can overdose on anything, even water. My point is the unabashed and uncritical promulgation of psychotropic drugs is a big mistake. Thee are a lot healthier pursuits in life as mentioned earlier.

reply to post by Faiol


I know I'm repeating myself but how is this propaganda? The audience that read this article probably should NEVER do '___', would you honestly just recommend a random Joe on the street to try it? The amount of '___' that was smuggled should never be allowed to reach the youth that would buy it up. People go on about the great wonders '___' has, but often overlook the fact that much of the "positive" research done on it is done by enthusiasts. '___' is one of the most dangerous drugs out there, the potential it has to destroy a life is mind bending.

I think most people should in their lives eventually have to face "themselves" but there are many other ways other than '___' for that to happen. I know many people that have tried it because they heard you get super crazy psychedelic visuals and because it expands your mind. The mind will only be positively expanded if that is the intent of the usage, otherwise '___' exposes people to something they have no pre existing knowledge of what so ever. When used to get "high" it becomes a drug, only when you have seriously prepared for it and are in the correct environment and mindset will it cease to be a drug and will become a powerful stimulate for the mind.

Personally, the rebuttal didn't provide any evidence to why this is propaganda and actually seems to be blindly promoting it to anyone who is interested in psychedelics. I ask the OP, what was foolishly written about it? You state

4. i will fully agree it is Class-A. maybe even Class- A+... and as far as the schizophrenia thing... just own it. that's us they're talking about! the "crazies" babbling on about the end of the world, and aliens, and self-transforming machine elves... just realize that you're one of the "crazies" or "the others" and be happy about it!

Are you comparing most of ATS to people who suffer schizophrenia? Completely different, most of ATS comes to conclusions and theories based upon what is already available to us. When someone doesn't come out of a '___' experience all "sunshine and flowery" like many people give it credit, it can have serious long lasting negative effects. You could argue those were already underlying, but you could also argue that those issues could have been brought up before and without '___' for that person to face.

I don't know, the whole tone of the rebuttal just seems to promote it without much behind it, other than sarcasm and satire, and you downplay the effects it has on the mind. Throughout the whole thing you talk about '___' being connected with enlightenment, as if enlightenment can't be achieved without it. The reference of having the pineal gland altered is what really got to me. Can you honestly compare having a pineal gland altered with to massive amounts of '___' being prevented from entering the unaware system.

The dealers of '___' can peddle the "enlightenment, hyperspace experience" all they want, but are they truly setting people on the right path? You would think anyone who has had a lot of experiences with the drug would give it away for free, considering how easy it is to make. For the record, I don't condone anyone who does or doesn't use '___' but it does make me question the "movement" when I see some "hippy" at a music festival selling '___', smoking a cigarette, counting out all the cash he made that weekend. I know I am not anywhere close to enlightenment or the truth but '___' should **not** be treated as some weekend get away drug, and I think if one decides to take the plunge to be in the presence of a true guru.

You cant find out the truth from people who Demonize (TheSun) or Glorify (some of you guys) it. This is just a continuation of the pro-con tripe that prevents actual scientific examination of what really goes on in regards to various drugs.

reply to post by SevenThunders


No offense, but you sound like a parody of a Christian evangelical.

A bit of advice; pretend, just for a moment, that Christianity is not the most obvious way to think about the world and that everyone else is deviating from the one true path. Now, imagine how you would convince other people that your Christian view is valuable and relevant. You have it all backwards, you're making arguments from faith that people who do not share your faith will not agree with. And you act like your argument is sufficient to convince the unfaithful that you are right!

P.S. uncritical consumption of the Bible can also be bad for your health.

reply to post by kyle43

Starred for you, some people (Sun readership, conservatives) are not ready for the specific path to enlightenment that psychedelics provide. However, the Sun is still propagandizing against the drug; the Sun has political clout with its semi-literate tabloid readership and it is dangerous to spout such uncritical (unthinking) criticism (negative comments). This reminds me of the Salvia Divinorum scare a few years ago; the media made a big deal about a drug that is too terrifying to become addictive or recreational for most users.

The danger is that the readership will go into a panic about a non-issue and agitate to have chemical pathways to enlightenment banished. The danger here is that the Sun will further the agenda of the War on Drugs, which is a front for, among other things, a war on consciousness. You may not find psychedelics palatable, and they may be capable of abuse, but that does not mean that it is a good idea to banish them. Their potential positive effects on society are too great to discount.

reply to post by kyle43


kyle, some of your points are very vital. i would like to say that i was in fact using satire and hyperbole quite frequently in my rebuttal. i don't necessarily agree with everything i said in the rebuttal, but exaggerated to match the opposing tone of the original article. i know a lot about '___', and of the thousands of people i know, there are probably 2 or 3 of them that i think could handle actually utilizing the substance, though i wouldn't necessarily condone it even then. it is extremely powerful, and can be accessed without the aid of anything outside the body. i've reached '___' states in lucid dreams, in meditation and prayer, just randomly etc.
the idea of the schizophrenic was of course also a comical nod. having studied psychology extensively, and focused on schizophrenia as one of my major courses, i recognize how devastating the disease is, but what's even more of a disease is again the misrepresentation of the reality. schizophrenics aren't always just crazy. and sometimes, people have their ideas about aliens, and the end of the world, and whatever else... and they're not schizophrenic, yet they're called schizophrenic by laypeople, and probably some authorities as well. the point i'm trying to make is that you can fight propaganda with a mirror. and as far as my beliefs on '___', well i think it's in our brains for a reason, so experiment as you will with your own mind, that's not to say go out and take a bunch of drugs. i think most people are better off without any substances, even though they're probably on some kind of mood-stabilizer or sleeping med already. oh well.
jm

reply to post by SevenThunders


'___' is not something easily overdosed on. it is vaporized, and causes the user to pass out far before he/she has the opportunity to inhale a lethal amount. i mean way way before. you would need to intentionally seek death and overload a syringe with a '___' solution in order to overdose. if you're going to argue against something, by all means do so. that's what free speech permits... but have a little bit of actual knowledge, not just opinions.

reply to post by SmedleyBurlap


i find your writing style quite nice. no one wants a modern reefer madness. we can't call the substance in our brain dangerous. we can say that it's dangerous to use the drug form, but there needs to be an in depth rationalization as to why or why not that is true.