Why some fear China and India are on the road to war

Why some fear China and India are on the road to war

When Manmohan Singh warned of China's "new assertiveness" last week, Asia watchers snapped to attention. The normally sage Indian prime minister accused Beijing of seeking to expand its reach in South Asia. With China muscling for resources and geopolitical clout, India, he warned, had better take heed. The timing of the rare public rebuke was especially provocative, as it came hot on the heels of a series of diplomatic flare-ups between the two giants. Temperatures on the continent are rising in step with the Asian rivals' growth.

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Wah! This didn't cross my mind and if they keep going with these rivalries it can very well be an extremely violent war. I really hope they can make agreements and settle with eachother before this escalates into greater rivalries, the last thing we need is 2 nuclear powered nations to go to war.

This is a huge threat globally and the last thing we need is a new war! I don't have any idea why these Governments can't notice the crap they are causing already. Why is it that we can't get a fresh breath of air without wars waging on against eachother, I find this completely ignorant of there imbisolic behaviour.

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thanks for making this thread and bringing this to our attention

i never thought much of india or its military..

it should be concerning for everyone as it should be 4 million man armies +nukes= disaster for us all

i been thinking the us has been backing the wrong "dog" so to speak

us should have been backing india based on numbers and location i dont see why we havent but eh.


will this lead to a war between china and india - no

pakistan and india have fought for years and they are both still around

Hope India realises that the u.s is notorious for hanging its puppets out to dry... Got the stench of american meddling to the entire thing.. suspect u.s attempting to get india to do its dirty work.. Bit to convenient india getting uppity with china at a time when u.s is trying to provoke china.. The idiocy goes on...

Who would win? They both have nukes and both could have massive armies because they both have over a billion people. The U.S. and Japan would probably back India with the newest technology. Russia and Pakistan would probably support China with theirs. Which side of the line would the majority of Europe stand on? I'd vote that neither could win because they would both be blown to smithereens and there would be a massive loss of life. But, that is probably what they want if war brakes out.

Look at population by country
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I bet TPTB would love a China-India War just to solve overpopulation.
World War III could definitely be triggered if there was a false flag during escalating tensions between the two countries. Everyone is looking at the Middle East to be the cause of the next great war, however, most of the world’s population is in Southeastern Asia and nobody is paying any attention to them.

Originally posted by tooo many pills
The U.S. and Japan would probably back India with the newest technology. Russia and Pakistan would probably support China with theirs. Which side of the line would the majority of Europe stand on? I'd vote that neither could win because they would both be blown to smithereens and there would be a massive loss of life. But, that is probably what they want if war brakes out.

I would question whether Pakistan has any useful technology to offer China, let alone anyone else.

I the very unlikely event that China and India go to war it would be localised over land where there is conflicting territorial claims. Neither nation would have the capability to invade and take over the other. China may have millions in their army, but there are only a finite number you can fit in a mountain pass.

As India is a democracy and China is a one-party dictatorship, you can probably be assured that the Western democracies would side with India. If all went tits up and it got really serious then India would not be alone. Russia may not support China and may actually chose neutrality rather than being on the losing side.

However, it will not happen. China has too much to lose, as does India. In the end, war would hasten the collapse and resultant political change in China as the Politburo is replaced in a revolution demanding emancipation from political oppression. Let it roll on, I say as I abhor Chinese human rights abuses, environmental destruction and plastic toys.

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I would question whether Pakistan has any useful technology to offer China, let alone anyone else.

Pakistan has nukes too, and if they sided with China that would completely lock India off the Asian continent. That would let China cross into the country anywhere along India's borders.

I agree with everything else you said.

Also, you must open your mind to multiple methods of assault.A mountain pass is not the only way to get troops to india or china. You could use amphibious assault vehicles, Off-shore bombardment, bombers, intermediate range nukes, short range nukes launched from a submarine off shore, drop paratroopers, or even all of these in sequence.
You assume that something else doesn't occur to tip the scales of power. Depending on how things unfold the spark that lights the bonfire could very well be a simple misunderstanding during a diplomatic meeting.

So if I do my calculations right if they go to war (which will be nuclear) then the world will lose about 1/3 of it's population. 1 billion in India and 1 billion in China plus the fallout over Southeastern Asia so it should be about 2.3 billion dead.

Take it as you will.

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Not going to happen, India is already fighting a civil war, and they are losing terribly

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interesting maybe all our us companies will come home and next time i have a problem with my pc i dont have to call india to get a solution.

Originally posted by neo96
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interesting maybe all our us companies will come home and next time i have a problem with my pc i dont have to call india to get a solution.

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Thats not all the problems that India is facing parts of India want to break away and become independent/ join Pakistan / join China

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I won't expect India to be starting wars anytime soon

Originally posted by Returners
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Not going to happen, India is already fighting a civil war, and they are losing terribly

This just opens up another possibility, since the insurgents are communist it would stand to reason that they may ask China for help. If the insurgents can capture the eastern border, they could easily bring in support from china with little worry of the forces being wiped out as the cross through the mountains, air, or sea, thus sparking the war we were just discussing

Originally posted by Azekual

Originally posted by Returners
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Not going to happen, India is already fighting a civil war, and they are losing terribly

This just opens up another possibility, since the insurgents are communist it would stand to reason that they may ask China for help. If the insurgents can capture the eastern border, they could easily bring in support from china with little worry of the forces being wiped out as the cross through the mountains, air, or sea, thus sparking the war we were just discussing

The rebels in India are real communists, they don't want anything to do with China. In fact they hate China more than their own government because they view China as a traitor to the ideals of communism.

China has no reason to push India into a corner that would force an all out war. Time seems to be on their side for the moment. Most of their enemies who might desire to interfere are weakening, and new potentially friendly powers seem to be ascending. Most likely the longer they wait, the more isolated their target seems to become, and the less severe the international fallout stands to be.

India is more or less working against the clock. It's only a matter of time until China has enough desire and perceives enough advantage to irrevocably cross the line. So it is possible that India will eventually decide to initiate the war at the time of their greatest advantage. That time probably has probably not come yet. A lot of things could still go India's way before push comes to shove.

Suppose that America and China do get into an all-out trade war and the US economy takes yet another nose dive. What then? The world already seems to get the general idea that Americans are ambitious and definitely not above violence, but they've never seen us hungry. The minute the US military starts missing paychecks, several thousand mercenaries, pirates, and filibusters start showing up in Northern Mexico every month. After that they start to show up In South America. Before you know it India and various corporate interests have got them crawling all over Afghanistan and Pakistan. Then the hardware hits the black market. Israel initiates a preemptive war on Iran and begins buying up all of the American surplus it can. Turkey begins buying for the just-in-case. Then we go to India and Europe for the big clearance sale, to be sure that those weapons finally get to kill Russians and Chinese. Meanwhile Brazil, Cuba, Russia, and China probably are all still trying to deal with what's left of America proper, which will most likely elect a fascist after its fall and make one last push for a renewed empire.

I'd say that would give India just about the opening their looking for. It probably won't happen short of a magic lamp being unearthed in New Delhi, but why shouldn't they wait and see? War eventually for sure. War for now unlikely despite all evidence to the contrary.

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You do realize that China is a country that is 5,000 years old, and they have never been expansionist or imperialists.

The only land that China is trying to take back is the land that they held for 4,000 years before it was stolen from them due to European + Japanese imperialism.

China actually lost most of its land due to imperialism, but China dropped most of their claims due to the fact that there was already people living there. The only claimsthat they kept were for places that were largely uninhabited. The only active border disputes are two uninhabited mountains in India, South China sea and Diaoyu. Along with trying to rope Taiwan back into the fold.

China and India have known about each other for 5000 years, and traded with each other on the silk road yet never fought a single war until the British came and caused a land dispute.

Sure they fought some wars with their neighbors but it was always a response, the other side always "punched" first.


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I have to admit, you have a good point. I concede.

Originally posted by neo96
pakistan and india have fought for years and they are both still around

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And they still have nukes pointed at each other....psychos

Anyway, I think India at the moment is more concerned with the global criticism of its Commonwealth Games venues, and athletes village.

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I have suggested this in many threads, I'm surprised you haven't read any of my threads or posts:
China, Russia team up on territorial claims

As I said previously, China is finally flexing its muscles and pushing towards US territories, since US is in no position to defend its territories.

I also said previously that US will let go of these Islands, in the hope that China doesn't push even further, but I suspect China with the help of Pakistan will push towards India, that is why the tensions in Indian Kashmir is growing, and Chinese troops are present in Pakistani Kashmir.

What are Chinese troops doing in Kashmir?

Who stirs trouble in Indian Kashmir? What are Chinese troops doing in Pakistani Kashmir, and why is there more Indian troops in Indian Kashmir, than US troops in Afghanistan?
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China is pushing through Pakistan, towards India, while Pakistan is using its influence on Muslim Kashmiris to stir trouble within Indian Kashmir and cause Kashmir to divide from India. This is a battle between China and India.
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India should have know, and given independence to Kashmir. That way, India won't have to worry about falling in to pieces, or loosing other territories with much less separatist voices.

What do you think will happen to the Maoist separatists? After the Kashmir uprising reaches a boiling point, and gains independence? The next effort will go to the Maoists, and they will gain moral support from the Kashmiris, and also military and other support from Pakistan and China during the Chaos of independence.

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India and China are two nations that have the highest population count, and typically when the mortal powers-that-be think there needs to be a population cull... What better 'legal' cull method other than war?

It's how they operate... Perhaps you've heard of the 'Georgia Guidestones' and the prevalent influence of the military-industrial complex within government.

These same powers-that-be stand to gain hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of dollars through the war industry, and the reduction of any threats towards their power base, which is something they cannot afford to lose.

They use war to control people.