A theory on how eternal life could be possible

Just to give some quick background for context, I have been struggling with religion for some time now and I find that I have really enjoyed researching the subject and doing a lot of unofficial theology. I also have a minor in physics (so i know just enough to make me look like a nerd but not necessarily an intelligent one

I was thinking today about being able to travel vast distances in space due to time dilation. For those who aren't familiar with time dilation, I'm speaking relativistically, its the effect that traveling at or near the speed of light has one one's perception of time.

For instance if I got in a spaceship and headed away from earth at .999999% the speed of light for 10 years, and then turned around and came back, literally millions of years would have passed on earth.

But it got me to thinking, what would happen at the speed of light?

The answer is, time dilation would occur with a factor of "Infinity".

But its not thought to be currently possible to travel the speed of light with mass. But don't we often describe angels and ghost as "beings of light"?

So, what if the soul is made of light. Then technically, would light by definition be "traveling the speed of light", meaning that if indeed the soul or whatever incarnation you prefer were made of light, then time would be slowed by Infinity, which would be the definition of eternity?

Just a thought.

reply to post by docpoco


The results of which would be access to the "creation" from any and every point of time and space.

reply to post by docpoco


If you were traveling at the speed of light, you would have no mass, and thus wouldn't be able to know that you are in fact traveling at the speed of light.


--airspoon

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by docpoco

 

If you were traveling at the speed of light, you would have no mass, and thus wouldn't be able to know that you are in fact traveling at the speed of light.


--airspoon

edit on 30-9-2010 by airspoon because: (no reason given)

Some believe that the seat of individual consciousness lies outside of the body. We're talking about the eternal aspects of the soul, not the body.

reply to post by Alpha Arietis


I get all that and respect anyone's beliefs on such a notion, however without eyes, you can't see and without a brain, well you can't think, etc, etc, etc.... It really doesn't matter where you believe the "seat of consciousness" to be.

I personally believe that when you die, that's it. You simply cease to exist. This idea is very hard for the human mind to grasp or conceptualize, thus we invent an explanation that we can conceptualize.

--airspoon

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That's cool.

I believe the opposite, for my own reasons.

There's also a wealth of NDE documentation to be drawn upon.

But far be it from me to try to change your opinions on the matter...

Originally posted by docpoco


For instance if I got in a spaceship and headed away from earth at .999999% the speed of light for 10 years, and then turned around and came back, literally millions of years would have passed on earth.

Science is greatly miss interpreted.

If you travel at .999999% the speed of light for 10 years and returned to earth with the same speed. Only 20 years would have gone on earth.

If you and I left earth at the same time, But i traveled at half your speed for 10 years. We would both be on earth the same year if we returned with the same speed as we left with.

The people on earth would be 20 years older. So would you and I be.

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by docpoco


For instance if I got in a spaceship and headed away from earth at .999999% the speed of light for 10 years, and then turned around and came back, literally millions of years would have passed on earth.

Science is greatly miss interpreted.

If you travel at .999999% the speed of light for 10 years and returned to earth with the same speed. Only 20 years would have gone on earth.

If you and I left earth at the same time, But i traveled at half your speed for 10 years. We would both be on earth the same year if we returned with the same speed as we left with.

The people on earth would be 20 years older. So would you and I be.

Thats pretty bold for you to say like that, when I'm pretty sure you are wrong.

If I got in a spaceship and traveled for 10 years (to me) at .999999% the speed of light, then stopped and came back at the same speed, I would have experienced a total of 20 years plus acceleration time.

There is a time dilation factor of a little over 700X at that speed, which means 14,000 years would have passed on earth.

You aren't arguing with me, you are arguing with Einstein.

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by Alpha Arietis

 

I get all that and respect anyone's beliefs on such a notion, however without eyes, you can't see and without a brain, well you can't think, etc, etc, etc.... It really doesn't matter where you believe the "seat of consciousness" to be.

I personally believe that when you die, that's it. You simply cease to exist. This idea is very hard for the human mind to grasp or conceptualize, thus we invent an explanation that we can conceptualize.

--airspoon

It too me a long time after having been raised a Christian to get to the point where I could admit that 'I don't know". It took being very sick and facing mortality for me to realize that. It has been a struggle since then.

However, I have had 2 very supernatural experiences in my life that will forever affect the way I feel about this kind of stuff. They don't prove anything, but they do call in to question the idea that what you see is all there is.

I find it amazing that mainstream science will believe in things like parallel dimensions and string theory, and mock religion, but hey, this was honestly just a thought experiment on how eternal life might be possible. Not a atheistis debate.

Originally posted by docpoco

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by docpoco


For instance if I got in a spaceship and headed away from earth at .999999% the speed of light for 10 years, and then turned around and came back, literally millions of years would have passed on earth.

Science is greatly miss interpreted.

If you travel at .999999% the speed of light for 10 years and returned to earth with the same speed. Only 20 years would have gone on earth.

If you and I left earth at the same time, But i traveled at half your speed for 10 years. We would both be on earth the same year if we returned with the same speed as we left with.

The people on earth would be 20 years older. So would you and I be.

Thats pretty bold for you to say like that, when I'm pretty sure you are wrong.

If I got in a spaceship and traveled for 10 years (to me) at .999999% the speed of light, then stopped and came back at the same speed, I would have experienced a total of 20 years plus acceleration time.

There is a time dilation factor of a little over 700X at that speed, which means 14,000 years would have passed on earth.

You aren't arguing with me, you are arguing with Einstein.

It doesn't matter who i argue with. If you travel for 10 earth years One way. It really doesn't matter how fast you travel. Because, after 10 earth years you stop. Then you turn around and travel back with the same speed. The distance is the same.

After 10 earth years you would reach earth if you travel with the same speed. Unless earth has moved away from the location you left it 10 years ago. That would mean you would have to travel a additional distance to reach earth. This additional time can be added to your traveling time, and to the time on earth. If you use a year. That means you used 11 earth years to get back home.

Time dilation is something that takes place if you were to communicate with earth while you travel. The signal would be in the past.

reply to post by docpoco


Physical matter would break down. And it would be impossible to move physical matter at the speed of light anyway. The faster you move an object, the more energy you require. To move an object at the speed of light you'd need an infinite amount of energy...and there's no infinite source of energy.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by docpoco

 

Physical matter would break down. And it would be impossible to move physical matter at the speed of light anyway. The faster you move an object, the more energy you require. To move an object at the speed of light you'd need an infinite amount of energy...and there's no infinite source of energy.

The problem is that the infinite is not a speed. The infinite is stationary, its a constant. The infinite can't move. Only the dimension closest to the infinite can expand fast enough to become infinite.

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by docpoco

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by docpoco


For instance if I got in a spaceship and headed away from earth at .999999% the speed of light for 10 years, and then turned around and came back, literally millions of years would have passed on earth.

Science is greatly miss interpreted.

If you travel at .999999% the speed of light for 10 years and returned to earth with the same speed. Only 20 years would have gone on earth.

If you and I left earth at the same time, But i traveled at half your speed for 10 years. We would both be on earth the same year if we returned with the same speed as we left with.

The people on earth would be 20 years older. So would you and I be.

Thats pretty bold for you to say like that, when I'm pretty sure you are wrong.

If I got in a spaceship and traveled for 10 years (to me) at .999999% the speed of light, then stopped and came back at the same speed, I would have experienced a total of 20 years plus acceleration time.

There is a time dilation factor of a little over 700X at that speed, which means 14,000 years would have passed on earth.

You aren't arguing with me, you are arguing with Einstein.

It doesn't matter who i argue with. If you travel for 10 earth years One way. It really doesn't matter how fast you travel. Because, after 10 earth years you stop. Then you turn around and travel back with the same speed. The distance is the same.

After 10 earth years you would reach earth if you travel with the same speed. Unless earth has moved away from the location you left it 10 years ago. That would mean you would have to travel a additional distance to reach earth. This additional time can be added to your traveling time, and to the time on earth. If you use a year. That means you used 11 earth years to get back home.

Time dilation is something that takes place if you were to communicate with earth while you travel. The signal would be in the past.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

Apparently you either don't understand physics, or just don't mind being wrong.

Do you not understand the concept of time dilation?

reply to post by spy66


Yes your wrong about this I'm afraid, It's called Special relativity

Time dilation – the time lapse between two events is not invariant from one observer to another, but is dependent on the relative speeds of the observers' reference frames (e.g., the twin paradox which concerns a twin who flies off in a spaceship traveling near the speed of light and returns to discover that his or her twin sibling has aged much more).

The faster you go the slower time moves for you relatively It even works in the small speed of a jet plane, If you put an atomic clock onto a jet and send it round the world at the speed of sound it will be a TINY bit behind a reference clock kept on the ground

Special relativity

Hafele Keating Experiment

reply to post by docpoco


Yes i do. Do you?

If you read what they guy is saying! He has traveled at nearly the speed of light for 10 years.

If he has traveled for 10 years, how can more years have passed on earth? That is physically impossible.

Time does not speed up on earth just because he is traveling at the speed of light. Time on earth would still tick along as usual.

His time would tick along as usual. If not he would not know that he has traveled for 10 years. He would only know that he is traveling very fast. He probably wouldn't even know the distance either if he doesn't know how fast he is traveling in time.

All you actually need to use to solve this problem is this equations:

Distance = Speed x Time.

All this guy is doing, is traveling very far away from earth very fast.

To know how long time he will use to get back to earth, he can use this equation:

Time = Distance / Speed

I bet if you do the math. You will not find any time dilation at all. The time he spends traveling is also the time which passes on earth. Because if he travels for 10 years. 10 years have gone for him, and 10 years have gone on earth.

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by docpoco

 

Yes i do. Do you?

If you read what they guy is saying! He has traveled at nearly the speed of light for 10 years.

If he has traveled for 10 years, how can more years have passed on earth? That is physically impossible.

Time does not speed up on earth just because he is traveling at the speed of light. Time on earth would still tick along as usual.

His time would tick along as usual. If not he would not know that he has traveled for 10 years. He would only know that he is traveling very fast. He probably wouldn't even know the distance either if he doesn't know how fast he is traveling in time.

All you actually need to use to solve this problem is this equations:

Distance = Speed x Time.

All this guy is doing, is traveling very far away from earth very fast.

To know how long time he will use to get back to earth, he can use this equation:

Time = Distance / Speed

I bet if you do the math. You will not find any time dilation at all. The time he spends traveling is also the time which passes on earth. Because if he travels for 10 years. 10 years have gone for him, and 10 years have gone on earth.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

Seriously. you are embarrassing yourself. I know that you have convinced yourself that you are right, but you ARE NOT, and you clearly DO NOT understand the topic of conversation.

Its almost hilarious. You go on to state that you know what time dilation is, and then call it "physically impossible".

Time dilation occurs at speeds very close to the speed of light. If you were travelling at .99999 percent the speed of light for 1 year, only 1 year would pass for you, but approximately 224 years would pass on earth. This is scientifically proven. Use wikipedia for gods sake.

My recommendation to you is that you stick to conversations where you aren't going to make a fool of yourself.

Originally posted by davespanners
reply to post by spy66

 

Yes your wrong about this I'm afraid, It's called Special relativity

Time dilation – the time lapse between two events is not invariant from one observer to another, but is dependent on the relative speeds of the observers' reference frames (e.g., the twin paradox which concerns a twin who flies off in a spaceship traveling near the speed of light and returns to discover that his or her twin sibling has aged much more).

The faster you go the slower time moves for you relatively It even works in the small speed of a jet plane, If you put an atomic clock onto a jet and send it round the world at the speed of sound it will be a TINY bit behind a reference clock kept on the ground

Special relativity

Hafele Keating Experiment

edit on 3-10-2010 by davespanners because: (no reason given)

This guy is unbelievable! LOL

I don't mean to be a jerk, but to interject yourself into a conversation and be THAT wrong is just hilarious.

Originally posted by spy66

All you actually need to use to solve this problem is this equations:

Distance = Speed x Time.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

HAHAHA. You sure could have saved Einstein a lot of trouble had you been around to help him sort out his theories of relativity.

Here is the formula you need to calculate time dilation:

l'=l*sqr(1-v²/c²)

You are a little out of your league hot stuff.

Originally posted by docpoco

Originally posted by spy66

All you actually need to use to solve this problem is this equations:

Distance = Speed x Time.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

HAHAHA. You sure could have saved Einstein a lot of trouble had you been around to help him sort out his theories of relativity.

Here is the formula you need to calculate time dilation:

l'=l*sqr(1-v²/c²)

You are a little out of your league hot stuff.

If i was i would not debate this.

Lets retract again.

1. The guy is in a space ship.

2. The space ship travels .999999 the speed of light.

3. He travels inside this space ship for 10 years.

My question is: Have you picked the right equation from the wiki page?

You cant just pick and choose your equation if you dont know if they apply to his travel.

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by docpoco

Originally posted by spy66

All you actually need to use to solve this problem is this equations:

Distance = Speed x Time.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

HAHAHA. You sure could have saved Einstein a lot of trouble had you been around to help him sort out his theories of relativity.

Here is the formula you need to calculate time dilation:

l'=l*sqr(1-v²/c²)

You are a little out of your league hot stuff.

If i was i would not debate this.

Lets retract again.

1. The guy is in a space ship.

2. The space ship travels .999999 the speed of light.

3. He travels inside this space ship for 10 years.

My question is: Have you picked the right equation from the wiki page?

You cant just pick and choose your equation if you dont know if they apply to his travel.

Listen dude. You need to do a little bit of research first.

You CLEARLY, and I can't stress this enough, CLEARLY don't understand the theories of relativility, including time dilation.

Time dilation works like this.

www.walter-fendt.de...

Seriously man, do yourself a favor and check it out. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you are making a fool out of yourself. (Even the other guy in this thread told you you were wrong)