Signaling Tensions, Pakistan Shuts NATO Supply Route

reply to post by oozyism


with an active force of 1,451,000 military odds are they are not all innocent

In regards to the power struggles in pakistan at the moment, the attempted/ongoing coup in Ecuador it really seems like TSIHTF.......

You all know that if there ever is a "genuine" coup in Saudi Arabia, then the whole chess game will be turned on its head in favour of the islamic caliphate in waiting....not what I want, but just as I see it.

I dont thing the public in Saudi will put up with all this much longer and will revolt against the royal kingdom there.

reply to post by neo96


WHAT????

Is that your come back

Is that the best you can do to defend the murder of innocent people?

Ohhhhh I get it, since Americans do it, it is

reply to post by SLAYER69


Things are changing quickly, these moves are serious, all we can do is wait for news now

reply to post by oozyism


WHAT???

is this YOUR COMEBACK?

prove to me they were innocent did you personally know them or you just parroting what the news said?

oh i get it, since the radicals extremists do it no one can to the same to them


oozi i know you love americans you want to come here and live as one

reply to post by neo96


HAHAHAHA wow, did I go and meet them, you must be from the Semper Fi crowd.

Stay faithful soldier, don't drop the soup..

Kill thousands of innocent people and then say they weren't innocent, you remind me of my uncle Osama bin Laden , I mean al-Zawaheri

reply to post by oozyism


dont stand too close too your uncles and lose your satphone and cellphone and forcrying outloud dont use the internet



and yes i will stay faithful to my country i am one of those people who actually know what loyalty is.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by neo96

 

WHAT????

Is that your come back

Is that the best you can do to defend the murder of innocent people?

Ohhhhh I get it, since Americans do it, it is

Since it's completely possible and easy to fatham that in WAR no innocents will ever die, right? I think most of this is just more rhetoric from anti-america individuals.

If Pakistan is harboring terrorists and wont allow the US to do a full ground assault to flush them out then it is no one fault but their own that we are being forced to do it from the air and lets be fair here, air strikes have never been 100% accurate. War is ugly and innocent people die, been this way since the dawn of life.

reply to post by neo96


Semper Fi

Have you ever tortured any one..

I mean rape some Iraqi?

Then again who cares, raping is a habit..

reply to post by Final Solstice


Yes Let's kill thousand innocent American because America harbors the CIA terrorists and won't allow anyway to flush them
The world is filled with geniuses..

reply to post by oozyism


playtime is over get back on topic if not go make your hate america threads like you always do


bye bye


to other ats posters dont fall for the bait it encourages him dont give him the satisfaction.

reply to post by neo96



Did you read the latest anti-American news?
Dozens of NATO oil tankers attacked in Pakistan

I just don't like people justifying terrorism, like justify the murder of a thousand innocent Pakistani. Actually no one likes that, except the Semper Fi Fan Club

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by Final Solstice

 

Yes Let's kill thousand innocent American because America harbors the CIA terrorists and won't allow anyway to flush them

The world is filled with geniuses..

I'm pretty sure thousands of americans were already killed by terrorists who cherish their violent religion and think being maurders will get them in to heaven with hundreds of virgins waiting for them. Afterall, that is the very reason we are even in the middle east right now but ofcourse since you are anti-american that is a conspiracy too right? I get it.

After reading your signature and you predicting the death of America in 2015 I don't think I need to bless you with any more comments on the situation because it's easy to see that you are just a hater.

America is still the land of the free and here we have more freedoms than any where else in the world and that my good sir I am greatful for and can live with . Maybe you are just jealous.

Adios.

Originally posted by Final Solstice


I'm pretty sure thousands of americans were already killed by terrorists who cherish their violent religion and think being maurders will get them in to heaven with hundreds of virgins waiting for them. Afterall, that is the very reason we are even in the middle east right now but ofcourse since you are anti-american that is a conspiracy too right? I get it.

No, no, no, I don't think that is a conspiracy, I'm just too retarded and believe Saddam was supporting Al-Qaeda, and I believe that all of the hijackers were Afghans, and I believe that there is sooooo much evidence connect Bin-Laden with the 9/11 attacks, and I believe that Saddam had WMD, and I believe American soldiers were not in the middle East before 9/11.

After reading your signature and you predicting the death of America in 2015 I don't think I need to bless you with any more comments on the situation because it's easy to see that you are just a hater.

If I was just a hater, I would be mocking Americans, not discussing important issues

America is still the land of the free and here we have more freedoms than any where else in the world and that my good sir I am greatful for and can live with

. Maybe you are just jealous.

Ohhh really, last I checked it was a police stated:


Do you know what land of the free means lol, you mean land of the dreamers there is no freedom in the US, because most don't even know what freedom mean, like you.

Adios.

edit on 1-10-2010 by Final Solstice because: (no reason given)

Adios partner..

Originally posted by oozyism
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Time for the rising powers to push, when US collapses a huge vacuum will be left behind, but USA still wants domination, that is why it wants to go back to its back yard, in South America hence the new coup, which hopefully fails, cause we will only know who is behind it, if it fails

Right...it is not like millions of people from Venezuela have taken to the streets, protested and several were killed by the so good socialist/communist policies of chavez... Naaa... They are all CIA agents...

The CIA has millions of people living as Venezuelans in that country...you didn't know?....

socialist/communist forces have for decades also spread their hatred, and their disease around the world...and yes even the Cuban regime. I have uncles who have fought in Angola and other countries because they were forced to do so "to spread the revolution for the good of the people"...

Yet when you go to those countries the so good "revolutionaries" have been forcing people to accept the socialist/communist disease so many ignorant westerners around the world want to spread... If you don't accept it, you get sumarily executed "for the good of the revolution"....

Heck che guevara did it and the left paints him as "a fighter for the people"...even when he KILLED PEOPLE AND NOT RICH PEOPLE...the rich people escaped Cuba before castro took power, and the rest of us were left behind to fend against the disease that is socialism/communism....

China still executes people not only for tax evasion, but for belonging to certain religions, and for "being a danger to the party/nation" which includes being "too democratic"...

They try at first to force you from being "too democratic", and if they can't stop you in their indoctrination machine and you continue being a nuisance for "being too democratic" you get a bullet in the head and your family gets a bill for the price of the bullet...

socialism/communism is so wonderful....

Let's spread it even more around the world shall we?...

Originally posted by oozyism

No, no, no, I don't think that is a conspiracy, I'm just too retarded and believe Saddam was supporting Al-Qaeda, and I believe that all of the hijackers were Afghans, and I believe that there is sooooo much evidence connect Bin-Laden with the 9/11 attacks, and I believe that Saddam had WMD, and I believe American soldiers were not in the middle East before 9/11.

...Even your socialist buddies from Spain found Osama Bin Laden, and several other Al Qaeda members guilty of perpetrating 9/11, other terrorist attacks, or for being Al Qaeda members planning attacks against Europe and the U.S.

Spanish judge indicts Osama bin Laden, 34 others for terrorism
MADRID, Spain (AP) — Spains leading investigating judge issued the first known indictment against Osama bin Laden in the Sept. 11 attacks on Wednesday, accusing al-Qaeda of using the country as a base to plot the devastating strikes on New York and Washington.
Investigative magistrate Baltasar Garzon indicted 35 people for terrorist activities connected to bin Ladens al-Qaeda network. In a nearly 700-page document, Garzon wrote that Spain served "as a place or base for resting, preparation, indoctrinating, support and financing" of al-Qaeda.
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www.usatoday.com...

Are you not going to believe your socialist buddies now?...

What about Putin, and the communist, I mean sorry capitalist Russian intelligence services that had been providing the U.S. with evidence that showed Saddam was preparing attacks against the U.S., and U.S. bases around the world as well as other interests...

#1 - RW 6-25-04 - RW Home
RFE/RL
June 22, 2004
Analysis: Putin Casts His Vote For Bush
By Robert Coalson
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Russian media reports were decidedly skeptical about the veracity and spontaneity of Putin's remarks. They noted that almost as soon as the preliminary report of the U.S. commission investigating the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks was made public, an anonymous "Russian intelligence source" told Interfax that "as early as early 2002 Russian intelligence learned that the Iraqi special services were planning terrorist attacks on the United States and on U.S. diplomatic and military facilities abroad." "Kommersant-Daily" reported on 21 June that the Interfax report was issued even before the final commission session had been closed. The statement came just as U.S. President George W. Bush was facing harsh criticism for launching a military operation against Hussein that was justified in large part by administration claims that he posed a terrorist threat to the United States.

"Kommersant-Daily" and "Vremya novostei" on 21 June both speculated that this low-level support failed to produce a sufficient resonance in the West. Therefore, the newspapers wrote, the Kremlin staged a scene at a press conference in Astana, Kazakhstan, arranging to have a reporter ask Putin a completely off-the-wall question about the U.S. commission's report. This gave Putin the opportunity to repeat -- almost word for word -- the statement from the anonymous intelligence source that Interfax had reported the previous day.

"Yes, after the events of 11 September 2001 and before the beginning of the military operation in Iraq, the Russian special services repeatedly received information that official organs of the Hussein regime were preparing terrorist attacks on the territory of the United States and on military and civilian targets outside its borders," Putin said. "This information really was transmitted through cooperative channels to our American colleagues."

Although Putin was quick to add that Russia's position opposing the military operation in Iraq had not changed, his remarks clearly marked a shift toward the Bush administration's positions. "Does this mean that there is reason to argue that the United States acted in self-defense?" Putin said. "I don't know. That is a separate topic."
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www.cdi.org...

The claims that Iraq didn't have any WMD after 1993 were shown to be false by the tapes captured in which Saddam discussed his WMD with his officials until at least the year 2000.

Glazov: The recent Intelligence Summit released 12 hours of audiotapes of Saddam Hussein and his key officials discussing their WMD programs from the mid-1990s onwards. What do you make of the significance of these tapes? How do they square with your claim in your book that Russia helped move Iraqi WMD into Syria?

Mauro: The tapes are extremely significant in that they prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that as of the year 2000, Saddam Hussein had a secret plasma program to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons, or "special bombs" as he calls them. The Duelfer Report previously concluded that this type of enrichment program ended in the 1980s, but here we have Saddam and his top advisors discussing using a power plant in the area of Basra for the program. The scientists involved in the program are not known to the UN, leaving Western intelligence clueless.

archive.frontpagemag.com...

I also reported how former Russian officials who are still living in Russia went to Iraq to aid Saddam's regime, and the government of Russia knew about it and were most certainly part of this.

'We didn't fly to Baghdad to drink coffee'

Текст: Alexander Kornilov photos from private collection

Gazeta.Ru has obtained sensational evidence proving the involvement of a group of former Soviet generals in preparing the Iraqi army for war against the United States. The generals in question refused to discuss their degree of involvement, but admitted that just before the beginning of the US-led campaign against Iraq they received state awards from the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Photos, which Gazeta.Ru has acquired, show an awards ceremony (namely awards, our sources emphasized, and not gifts), involving two very prominent Russian generals.

They are retired Soviet officers, Col.-Gen. Vladimir Achalov and Col.-Gen. Igor Maltsev. The former completed his military career as the Soviet deputy defence minister, after being the Air-Borne Troops commander and the first and last Soviet commander-in-chief of the rapid-reaction forces. The latter resigned from the post of the chief of the Main Staff of the Soviet Air Defence. In 1991 both generals backed the GKChP, (the State Committee for the State of Emergency, set up by a group of Gorbachev opponents with the goal of supplanting him and preventing the disintegration of the USSR) and were consequently dismissed from military service.

www.gazeta.ru...

Two of those high ranking officers were part of the so called "coup to prevent the disintegration of the USSR" which was pretty much bloodless even though this same regime had tortured and killed millions for decades...


But it doesn't end there, we found in captured Iraqi documents that the government of Russia had been giving information about U.S. troop movements to Saddam, and before Putin had to admit that they had been providing the U.S. information about Saddam's plans against the U.S. he had been claiming for a couple of years that there was no reason for the U.S. to depose the Iraqi regime...

Russia Told Iraq of U.S. Troop Movements During War
2006-03-25 05:15:10 Bloomberg

Russia passed information about U.S. troop movements and bombing targets to Iraq during the U.S. invasion of the Mideast nation, according to captured Iraqi documents cited in a new Pentagon study released today.

Russias ambassador gave the intelligence to Iraq's foreign affairs minister who passed it to President Saddam Hussein in a memo April 2, 2003. U.S. Army and Marine forces at the time were advancing rapidly toward the capital and Iraqi generals were assessing how to reposition their Republican Guard divisions.
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english.cri.cn...@66436.htm

And the plot thickens more, several years ago I also started a thread showing how, John A. (Jack) Shaw, former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for International Technology Security and a former aide to Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld was "asked to resign" for "exceeding his authority in disclosing the information"...

John A. Shaw was actually in charge of tracking Saddam's WMDs before, and after the Operation Iraqui Freedom in 2003, and according to the evidence he had compiled the Russians themselves were the ones who gave Saddam his WMD, and who helped him get rid of them...

en.wikipedia.org...

A top Pentagon official who was responsible for tracking Saddam Hussein's weapons programs before and after the 2003 liberation of Iraq, has provided the first-ever account of how Saddam Hussein "cleaned up" his weapons of mass destruction stockpiles to prevent the United States from discovering them.

"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).

"They were moved by Russian Spetsnaz (special forces) units out of uniform, that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of its existence," he said.

Shaw has dealt with weapons-related issues and export controls as a U.S. government official for 30 years, and was serving as deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security when the events he described today occurred.

He called the evacuation of Saddam's WMD stockpiles "a well-orchestrated campaign using two neighboring client states with which the Russian leadership had a long time security relationship."

Shaw was initially tapped to make an inventory of Saddam's conventional weapons stockpiles, based on intelligence estimates of arms deals he had concluded with the former Soviet Union, China and France.

He estimated that Saddam had amassed 100 million tons of munitions - roughly 60 percent of the entire U.S. arsenal. "The origins of these weapons were Russian, Chinese and French in declining order of magnitude, with the Russians holding the lion's share and the Chinese just edging out the French for second place."

But as Shaw's office increasingly got involved in ongoing intelligence to identify Iraqi weapons programs before the war, he also got "a flow of information from British contacts on the ground at the Syrian border and from London" via non-U.S. government contacts.

"The intelligence included multiple sitings of truck convoys, convoys going north to the Syrian border and returning empty," he said.

Shaw worked closely with Julian Walker, a former British ambassador who had decades of experience in Iraq, and an unnamed Ukranian-American who was directly plugged in to the head of Ukraine's intelligence service.

The Ukrainians were eager to provide the United States with documents from their own archives on Soviet arms transfers to Iraq and on ongoing Russian assistance to Saddam, to thank America for its help in securing Ukraine's independence from the Soviet Union, Shaw said.

In addition to the convoys heading to Syria, Shaw said his contacts "provided information about steel drums with painted warnings that had been moved to a cellar of a hospital in Beirut."

But when Shaw passed on his information to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and others within the U.S. intelligence community, he was stunned by their response.

"My report on the convoys was brushed off as ‘Israeli disinformation,'" he said.

One month later, Shaw learned that the DIA general counsel complained to his own superiors that Shaw had eaten from the DIA "rice bowl." It was a Washington euphemism that meant he had commited the unpardonable sin of violating another agency's turf.

The CIA responded in even more diabolical fashion. "They trashed one of my Brits and tried to declare him persona non grata to the intelligence community," Shaw said. "We got constant indicators that Langley was aggressively trying to discredit both my Ukranian-American and me in Kiev," in addition to his other sources.

But Shaw's information had not originated from a casual contact. His Ukranian-American aid was a personal friend of David Nicholas, a Western ambassador in Kiev, and of Igor Smesko, head of Ukrainian intelligence.

www.tldm.org...

We also got the confirmation of this from Iraqi sources such as Saddam's second in command of the Air Force, General Georges Sada.

Iraqi General: Saddam Flew WMDs to Syria

Webcast News Service, 6 February 2006

Former Iraqi general Georges Sada, who served as second-in-command of the Iraqi air force under deposed dictator Saddam Hussein, says Hussein moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the US-led invasion by loading them into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed. The revelation is made in the newly published book, Saddam's Secrets.

Speaking to The New York Sun, Sada reported that special Republican Guard units led by Saddam's cousin, Ali Hussein al-Majid, nicknamed "Chemical Ali," loaded "yellow barrels with skull and crossbones" in two Boeing jets. The planes made 56 flights to Syria in the weeks leading up to the war. Hussein also sent WMD out on trucks.

"Saddam realized, this time, the Americans are coming," Sada said. "They handed over the weapons of mass destruction to the Syrians."

The revelation follows by one month Israeli Gen. Moshe Yaalon's comments that Israel had intelligence showing that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."
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www.truthnews.net...

And in fact several former high ranking Russian defectors told us BEFORE THE WAR that Russia would move Iraq's WMD out of there before we ever get there, and much of this happened because we waited too long.

These former high ranking Russian officials are for example, KGB defector Anatoli Golytsin.

New Lies for Old
In 1984, Golitsyn published the book New Lies For Old,(13) wherein he predicted the collapse of the communist bloc orchestrated from above. He warned about a long-term deception strategy designed to lull the West into a false sense of security, and finally economically cripple and diplomatically isolate the United States. Among other things, Golitsyn stated:

"The 'liberalization' [in the Soviet Union] would be spectacular and impressive. Formal pronouncements might be made about a reduction in the communist party's role; its monopoly would be apparently curtailed."
"If [liberalization] should be extended to East Germany, demolition of the Berlin Wall might even be contemplated."
"The European Parliament might become an all-European socialist parliament with representation from the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. 'Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals' would turn out to be a neutral, socialist Europe."
Angleton and Golitsyn reportedly sought the assistance of William F. Buckley, Jr. (himself once a CIA man) in writing New Lies for Old. Buckley refused but later went on to write a novel about Angleton, Spytime: The Undoing of James Jesus Angleton.[14]

The Perestroika Deception
In 1995 he published a book containing purported memoranda attributed to Golitsyn entitled The Perestroika Deception which claimed:

"The (Soviet) strategists are concealing the secret coordination that exists and will continue between Moscow and the nationalist'leaders of (the) ndependent' republics.
"The power of the KGB remains as great as ever... Talk of cosmetic changes in the KGB and its supervision is deliberately publicized to support the myth of democratization of the Soviet political system."
"Scratch these new, instant Soviet 'democrats,' 'anti-Communists,' and 'nationalists' who have sprouted out of nowhere, and underneath will be found secret Party members or KGB agents."

en.wikipedia.org...

Most of what Golitsyn said decades ago has come to pass, and the Russian government, and even Putin, alongside other socialists/communist groups and countries have been coordinating attacks againts the U.S., to isolate the U.S. politically

Other former high ranking Russian defectors who have been warning us also include Ion Mihai Pacepa

As a former Romanian spy chief who used to take orders from the Soviet KGB, it is perfectly obvious to me that Russia is behind the evanescence of Saddam Husseins weapons of mass destruction. After all, Russia helped Saddam get his hands on them in the first place. The Soviet Union and all its bloc states always had a standard operating procedure for deep sixing weapons of mass destruction — in Romanian it was codenamed "Sarindar, meaning "emergency exit."implemented it in Libya. It was for ridding Third World despots of all trace of their chemical weapons if the Western imperialists ever got near them.
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The plan included an elaborate propaganda routine. Anyone accusing Moammar Gadhafi of possessing chemical weapons would be ridiculed. Lies, all lies! Come to Libya and see! Our Western left-wing organizations, like the World Peace Council, existed for sole purpose of spreading the propaganda we gave them. These very same groups bray the exact same themes to this day. We always relied on their expertise at organizing large street demonstrations in Western Europe over America'swar-mongering whenever we wanted to distract world attention from the crimes of the vicious regimes we sponsored.

www.washtimes.com...

Guess what is happening in Russia?... The Russian government has been brainwashing the people again that Stalin was a great leader and he did a service to the country, and childre are taught also quotes from President Vladimir Putin such "as saying that the dissolution of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century.

At the beginning of this school year, school pupils in Russia will be getting a new history textbook in which the policies of Josif Stalin are portrayed in a positive light, and which offers an interesting interpretation of the Finnish-Soviet Winter War of 1939 - 1940.
The book also gives the impression that Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania joined the Soviet Union voluntarily.

The Russian Ministry of Education and Science recommends the book Istorija Rossii, on the history of the 20th and early 21st century, for use in upper secondary schools. The Russian government has been dissatisfied with how Russian history is currently taught in the country’s schools. The winners of a contest for writing a suitable textbook were a group led by Dr. Nikita Zagladin.
Other writers include Sergei Kozlenko, Sergei Minakov, and Yuri George Petrov.

According to the new book, the administration of Stalin had many of the characteristics of the traditional despotism of the days of Ivan the Terrible and Peter the Great. Stalins administration also "solved the problems of the modernisation of the state through the concentration of power and repression".
Once a modern industrial foundation was achieved in this way, "the character of Soviet society began to change, and the result of this development was the acceptance of the democratic values characteristic of developed states".

Tsarist Russia is portrayed as a state undergoing strong development, which did not fall far behind other great powers. Nicholas II is seen as a tragic figure, and the Lenin quotes are replaced by the words of Anton Denikin, the general of the "whites".
Meanwhile, a handbook for civics teachers at the upper secondary school level quotes President Vladimir Putin as saying that the dissolution of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century.
Stalin is described as the "most successful" of the Soviet leaders, and his severe measures are understood as a way to turn Russia into a great power.

There is a chapter on Stalin’s terror in the history textbook, which focuses on the period between 1935 and 1937. The book mentions 800,000 executions and 18 million who were locked up in camps, but it does not give the total sum of the victims of the terror which continued until the 1950s.
The book sees the forced collectivisation of agriculture as an unavoidable step toward an industrialised state. The destruction of the kulaks, and the Ukrainian famine and its million victims are not mentioned at all.

www.nairaland.com...

The Russian regime recently went as far as to raid the largest Human Rights building in Russia and they took all documents which portrayed the atrocities committed by Stalin...

From The Times December 13, 2008

Gulag files seized during police raid on rights group

Catriona Bass and Tony Halpin

Russia’s Constitutional Court, which recently transferred from Moscow at Vladimir Putin’s command, is lit more brightly than any other building on St Petersburg’s beautiful English Embankment at night.

At the offices of the leading human rights group Memorial, however, a daylight raid by masked men speaks of a darker Soviet tradition of state power. Police confiscated computer hard drives containing 20 years work documenting victims of Stalins Terror and political persecution in the Soviet Union.

Education programmes, human rights work and research on the still secret graves of an estimated 2.7 million Leningraders were all taken from the research and information centre. So too was material for one of Memorials most important and potentially most powerful projects - a “Virtual Museum of the Gulag”.

The Prosecutor’s Office in St Petersburg claimed that it was investigating links between Memorial and an article in Novy Peterburg, an obscure anti-semitic newspaper that was shut down a year ago. Staff at Memorial say that they have never had anything to do with this newspaper and are under no illusion that the allegation is simply a pretext to wreck their work.

A teachers manual published this year explains that Stalin acted rationally in his campaign of terror to ensure the countrys modernisation. Stalin currently ranks third with almost 250,000 votes in a TV contest to find historys greatest Russian, less than 2,000 votes behind the leader.

Memorial’s staff have been photographing camps, recording testimonies and documenting the work of 300 tiny museums scattered over the former Soviet Union. Many of these museums have been set up by dedicated individuals and remain almost unknown.

“The Virtual Gulag is a new type of museum,” said Irina Flige, Memorial’s director, who was interrogated by investigators for several hours yesterday. Its virtual nature means that it works like memory itself. Visitors can take different tours through the same collections while the writings and voices of dissidents tell their stories.
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www.timesonline.co.uk...

But hey they are not socialist/communist anymore huh, even though they are brainwashing the children that collectivism/socialism/communism is necessary and Stalin was a national hero....

It is happening right in front of our eyes just like many high ranking Russian defectors have been warning us about for decades, that socialist/communist groups of powerful people and including the KGB had agreed decades ago on this massive deception to lure the west to sleep, to attack us in many different ways, including economically, and weaken our image internationally as they did by luring us to attack Iraq and then claiming we had no reason for deposing Saddam...

But hey, all of the above is just part of our imagination and do not show us the truth right?...

reply to post by oozyism


Oh come now OOZ you cant believe everything you read

It looks as if the USA is actively suppressing democracy in Pakistan. If put to a vote, they would want us out.

www.thenews.com.pk...

Updated at: 1100 PST, Friday, October 01, 2010

" WASHINGTON: The Pentagon has said that it is in talks with the Pakistani officials to resolve the issue of blocking of NATO and US supply line to Afghanistan, but noted that they have developed alternate routes and this was not an immediate national security issue."



im still wonder of what the real "national security issue" was.

reply to post by neo96


I'm sorry but sure they have "Alternate routes".
In other words they'll fly over.